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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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    #2192
    BattleCorp
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    It wasn't really Blake getting to the car that caused the closing of options it was the shooter putting himself in a terrible position by being so close to him, literally hanging off him.

    The cop was trying to pull Blake back. That could be viewed as the attempt (however feeble it was) to stop him 'non-lethally' so to speak. Blake was having none of it and ploughed on.

    You can't put all of the blame on the cops though. Maybe they could have made different choices, but equally Blake could have made different choices.


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    #2193
    mynamejeff
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    https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1


    ok look more evidence


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    #2194
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Foxtrol wrote: »
    So?

    If it was a molotov cocktail, (which some people have claimed that is what it is) that might be classed as self-defence.

    There is more evidence that it was a plastic bag (which others have claimed) than a 'molotov cocktail'
    Or idiots. Not a great idea to be chasing a person armed with an AR15.

    Wouldn't argue there. The guy shot in the arm would have been much smarter putting a few bullets in lil Rambo. He'd have a better case for self defense.


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    #2195
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    The cop was trying to pull Blake back. That could be viewed as the attempt (however feeble it was) to stop him 'non-lethally' so to speak. Blake was having none of it and ploughed on.

    You can't put all of the blame on the cops though. Maybe they could have made different choices, but equally Blake could have made different choices.

    exactly on this thread and in general life you have to one way or the other but in reality both sides made mistakes in this situation, its ok for both side to admit that. but i don't expect that to happen.


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    #2196
    superflyninja
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    If he had listened to the cops and done what they told him to do he wouldn't have gotten shot. So he is 100% responsible for what happened to him anyone trying to argue otherwise is delusional.

    Facts dont seem to matter anymore in the USA. AFAIK, we still dont have the full facts of this case. Yet look at how the story has shifted. From an unarmed good samaritan trying to de-escalate a fight between two women, shot in the back by disgusting, cowardly, brutal, racist cops to the cops were called because of him, he has warrants against him, he was resisting arrest and potentially reaching for a weapon.
    It now appears that the later story is looking "more correct"? If so then yeah the police should have done a better job detaining him, but what could they do once he reached the car? There was no telling what he might do,there were kids in the car. There is discussion to be had about the procedure and training but come on does anyone believe the police in this case are trigger happy, bloodthirsty racists?

    Looks like a ****ty situation to me with blame laying on both sides.


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    #2197
    AbusesToilets
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    More nonsense. They have the right to select what issues they want to deal with, just like you choosing certain threads to post in isn't 'hypocritical'.

    How can you not see the fundamental difference between an issue that is state sponsored and one that done by criminals?

    Here is a thread of examples of NBA players from one team being impacted by violence from the police

    https://twitter.com/andyblarsen/status/1298717150606024705?s=20

    It's not nonsense, it's conspicuous. They also do **** all to speak out about the violence being carried out by members of the black community.


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    #2198
    Foxtrol
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    The cop was trying to pull Blake back. That could be viewed as the attempt (however feeble it was) to stop him 'non-lethally' so to speak. Blake was having none of it and ploughed on.

    You can't put all of the blame on the cops though. Maybe they could have made different choices, but equally Blake could have made different choices.

    I'd definitely not put all the blame on the cops, Blake didn't help his situation at all by his actions.

    The cops showed incredible incompetence, which we see in nearly every one of these unnecessary deaths.


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    #2199
    1800_Ladladlad
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    I might be a bit late to this but Gaige Paul Grosskreutz, the lad shot in the arm in Wisconsin is a felon who not allowed by law to be in possession of a firearm. If he was a medic why did he have a gun ?


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    #2200
    Foxtrol
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    It's not nonsense, it's conspicuous. They also do **** all to speak out about the violence being carried out by members of the black community.

    They do speak out against it but there is little they can do because the people committing these crimes are criminals. These criminals if caught end up in jail, unlike most cops that kill people.

    I presume you were also demanding Munster Rugby to solve the Limerick crime issue.


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    #2201
    BattleCorp
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    There is more evidence that it was a plastic bag (which others have claimed) than a 'molotov cocktail'

    If it was a plastic bag, I doubt it was an empty plastic bag. You can't throw an empty plastic bag at someone too easily.
    Wouldn't argue there. The guy shot in the arm would have been much smarter putting a few bullets in lil Rambo. He'd have a better case for self defense.

    Did you see the pics of the damage to yer man's arm? Not a pretty pic. Rittenhouse's gun did some damage.


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    #2202
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    biko wrote: »
    If Joseph Rosenbaum was the first shot, why did he chase Kyle?
    Who was murdered before Joseph Rosenbaum was shot?

    Maybe because he realised Kyle was breaking multiple laws at the time


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    #2203
    BattleCorp
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I might be a bit late to this but Gaige Paul Grosskreutz, the lad shot in the arm in Wisconsin is a felon who not allowed by law to be in possession of a firearm. If he was a medic why did he have a gun ?

    I'd guess either for protection or to purposely do harm to someone else. Eitherways he has an arm that is probably going to be useless for the rest of his life and he'll probably face charges for being in possession of the firearm.

    He didn't make good decisions.


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    #2204
    BattleCorp
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Maybe because he realised Kyle was breaking multiple laws at the time

    Yet he himself was breaking multiple laws at the same time.


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    #2205
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    If it was a plastic bag, I doubt it was an empty plastic bag. You can't throw an empty plastic bag at someone too easily.

    Agreed but it isn't like it flew very well. The cocktail thing is beyond stupid though, there is no sign of flames at all. If it was a bottle there are dozens of other likely liquids in it.
    Did you see the pics of the damage to yer man's arm? Not a pretty pic. Rittenhouse's gun did some damage.

    Very grim. It is beyond crazy that any idiot/psycho can buy something that can do that kind of damage


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    #2206
    BattleCorp
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    They do speak out against it but there is little they can do because the people committing these crimes are criminals. These criminals if caught end up in jail, unlike most cops that kill people.

    Most cops who kill people do so justifiably.


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    #2207
    AbusesToilets
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    They do speak out against it but there is little they can do because the people committing these crimes are criminals. These criminals if caught end up in jail, unlike most cops that kill people.

    I presume you were also demanding Munster Rugby to solve the Limerick crime issue.

    Munster rugby players aren't claiming the Garda are racists for policing the locals


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    #2208
    Foxtrol
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Most cops who kill people do so justifiably.

    Given how ridiculously the laws are written in the US, finding legal justification is a much lower bar than it should be.


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    #2209
    Foxtrol
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Munster rugby players aren't claiming the Garda are racists for policing the locals

    How many locals have the Gardai killed?


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    #2210
    AbusesToilets
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Given how ridiculously the laws are written in the US, finding legal justification is a much lower bar than it should be.

    Whataboutery, no matter what the police do, they're wrong and racist?


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    #2211
    AbusesToilets
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    How many locals have the Gardai killed?

    How many locals have the locals killed?


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    #2212
    BattleCorp
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    How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

    Worth a watch. :D


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    #2213
    Jimbob1977
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    Last night in Kenosha was quiet. Just peaceful marching.

    There was high visibility from the National Guard. With a mandate this time.

    I'd expect that the opposing factions were reflecting on the deaths and taking a breather after the mayhem of Night Three.

    The weekend will be the litmus test. Other cities may become a problem.


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    #2214
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Whataboutery, no matter what the police do, they're wrong and racist?

    Think you need to google what that term means. Hint: it is what you're doing when you're complaining about LeBron not also protesting every other issue

    As for your general point, there are plenty of completely justifiable killings.


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    #2215
    Foxtrol
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    How many locals have the locals killed?

    Eh, during the peak of their issues locals were killing a hell of a lot of locals...

    At one point Limerick was 'the murder capital of Europe'

    Where was Munster Rugby?????? :rolleyes:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/limerick-is-now-the-official-murder-capital-of-europe-26439858.html#:~:text=Limerick%20has%20a%20ratio%20of,per%20100%2C000%20of%20its%20population.


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    #2216
    kildare lad
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    LeBron James and others are surprisingly silent on issues that impact their bank accounts, for example the Chinese slave labour that produces the clothing and shoes they get paid to sponsor. I also must've missed where they've taken a public stance against the shootings in black communities, or the rioting and destruction of black businesses.

    There's nothing worse than hearing people who get paid tens of millions of dollars to wear shoes cry of racism and equality , while the people who make their shoes , work in sweatshops getting paid peanuts.


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    #2217
    Cupatae
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    There's nothing worse than hearing people who get paid tens of millions of dollars to wear shoes cry of racism and equality , while the people who make their shoes , work in sweatshops getting paid peanuts.

    Now now that's not fair you can't be pointing out the extreme flaws in BLM logic, stick to the script man.

    The hypocrisy of BLM and there supporters on alot of things is quite a sight to behold !

    If these sports stars are that concerned why don't they put there money where there mouth is.


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    #2218
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I might be a bit late to this but Gaige Paul Grosskreutz, the lad shot in the arm in Wisconsin is a felon who not allowed by law to be in possession of a firearm. If he was a medic why did he have a gun ?

    Because you can a gun in the US as easy as you can buy a patio set here.


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    #2219
    Cupatae
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Eh, during the peak of their issues locals were killing a hell of a lot of locals...

    At one point Limerick was 'the murder capital of Europe'

    Where was Munster Rugby?????? :rolleyes:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/limerick-is-now-the-official-murder-capital-of-europe-26439858.html#:~:text=Limerick%20has%20a%20ratio%20of,per%20100%2C000%20of%20its%20population.

    And you call black people being responsible for well over 50 % of all violent crime in the us a skewed statistic :D atleast try and stay somewhat consistent!


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    #2220
    Manic Moran
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I might be a bit late to this but Gaige Paul Grosskreutz, the lad shot in the arm in Wisconsin is a felon who not allowed by law to be in possession of a firearm. If he was a medic why did he have a gun ?

    Medics can carry guns.

    That said, I can't help but wonder if the reason he didn't use his despite being well close enough for use of a pistol was because he was concerned about the legal ramifications of proving he was in illegal possession of a firearm. It seems that more than one person made foolish decisions that night.


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    #2221
    Dyr
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That said, I can't help but wonder if the reason he didn't use his despite being well close enough for use of a pistol was because he was concerned about the legal ramifications of proving he was in illegal possession of a firearm. It seems that more than one person made foolish decisions that night.

    Or he was beaten on the draw :o

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