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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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    #2732
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sand wrote: »
    Rosenbaum's prior history of attacking children informs his intent to attack this child. It adds weight to the self defence argument.

    Mental gymnastics. He is 17 going on 18. He wasn’t holding mommy or daddy’s hand. He drove himself, armed himself, and inserted himself into the situation.


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    #2733
    Sand
    Registered Users Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Overheal wrote: »
    Mental gymnastics. He is 17 going on 18. He wasn’t holding mommy or daddy’s hand. He drove himself, armed himself, and inserted himself into the situation.

    Where he was attacked by three convicted felons and reasonably defended himself. White people should stay well clear of BLM riots, but he did nothing wrong once the decisions were forced on him.


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    #2734
    Overheal
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Does it not depend on the level of criminality that Rittenhouse was engaged in? I doubt you'd lose your right to claim self-defence if someone attacked you just because you were parked on a double yellow line.

    A parking violation is not criminal activity. Mental gymnastics.


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    #2735
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Sand wrote: »
    Where he was attacked by three convicted felons and reasonably defended himself. White people should stay well clear of BLM riots, but he did nothing wrong once the decisions were forced on him.

    True enough however he sort of went out of his way to have the decisions forced upon him. Also can we drop the "child" narrative?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #2736
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sand wrote: »
    If it was a brown kid it wouldn't even be news, like every other week in Chicago.

    How would you know if it’s not in the news


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    #2737
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sand wrote: »
    Where he was attacked by three convicted felons and reasonably defended himself. White people should stay well clear of BLM riots, but he did nothing wrong once the decisions were forced on him.

    Ex convicted felons it looks like. Unless they broke out of prison the other night all, they were free men who paid their debts to society.


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    #2738
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Back up there a bit. There's no proof at this stage that he murdered anybody.

    Once again the semantics police come out to protect rambo, where were you when posters where calling Blake by the crimes he was charged with?
    In fact there is witness testimony that he was being chased, cornered,

    Video disproves the witness. He wasn't cornered.
    had someone try grab his gun in the lead up to the first shootin so that would lead to a credible argument to be made that he acted in self-defence.

    Again, I've listed several reasons why by Wisconsin law you lose self-defense.
    I'm not saying 100% that it was self-defence but certainly an argument can be made.

    I guess a judge and jury will be able to decide that if it gets that far.

    Jurys don't always get it right. I'm sure you also believe OJ isn't a murderer.


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    #2739
    Sand
    Registered Users Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Feisar wrote: »
    True enough however he sort of went out of his way to have the decisions forced upon him. Also can we drop the "child" narrative?

    He is a child, not an adult. The difference is important given the demonisation he is being subjected to.


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    #2740
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    He will be on trail as an adult. That's all that matters


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    #2741
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,461 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Sand wrote: »
    He is a child, not an adult. The difference is important given the demonisation he is being subjected to.

    He murdered people in cold blood. Think he deserves all the demonising he gets. He is a murderer.
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    #2742
    Sand
    Registered Users Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    He murdered people in cold blood. Think he deserves all the demonising he gets. He is a murderer.

    He didn't and isnt though. That is just your bias against him.


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    #2743
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Sand wrote: »
    He is a child, not an adult. The difference is important given the demonisation he is being subjected to.

    A man's game charges a man's price. There was no need for him to be where he was.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #2744
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Overheal wrote: »
    A parking violation is not criminal activity. Mental gymnastics.

    What if he had a joint in his pocket? Is that a criminal activity?


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    #2745
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    He murdered people in cold blood. Think he deserves all the demonising he gets. He is a murderer.

    It's not murder if it's self defense.

    A judge and jury will decide if he's guilty of that crime but you can keep claiming that he is a murderer all you want but it's not the truth at all.

    It's your opinion and opinions aren't facts in case you've forgotten because there's a lot of posters that seem to think their opinions are facts.

    This is the definition of murder too in case you've forgotten: Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought


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    #2746
    BattleCorp
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Ex convicted felons it looks like. Unless they broke out of prison the other night all, they were free men who paid their debts to society.

    Are convicted felons allowed to have a pistol? Genuine question as I don't know the answer. Because two of the guys who assaulted Rittenhouse were filmed with guns on the night in question.

    Not that that makes much difference.


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    #2747
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Broadstone Bob wrote: »
    Also anyone pushing this tragic incident as some sort of "white supremacy terrorist attack" should note that in the court papers the 17 year olds ethnicity is ....... Hispanic

    He might be a terrorist but I don't buy the white supremacy angle.

    The recent complaint says he was white so someone has it wrong. His mother looks incredibly white and also seems enjoy soldier dress up, like her son.

    https://twitter.com/marissanelson24/status/1298745679481901057?s=20

    https://twitter.com/M____IRAL/status/1299044959870488576?s=20


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    #2748
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    I wonder will LeBron and co be calling off games in protest of the 12 people shot in Chicago last night . Doubt it since black and black crime doesn't matter to them. There's been nearly 450 people been killed in Chicago this year alone, and not a word said about it from celebrities or BLM but when cop kill one in questionable circumstances all hell breaks loose.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-homicides-rose-by-139-percent-from-last-july-officials-say/2315318/

    Homicides and shootings have surged in Chicago during the first seven months of the year.

    From Jan. 1 through the end of July, there were 440 homicides in Chicago and 2,240 people shot, including many of those who were killed, according to statistics released Saturday by the police department.

    There were 290 homicides and 1,480 shootings, including people who were killed, in the first seven months of last year.



    https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/8/28/21405256/chicago-shootings-gun-violence-homicide-thursday-august-27-2020

    Twelve people were shot, four of them fatally, across Chicago on Thursday.

    The most recent killing happened just before midnight in Fernwood on the South Side.

    A man, believed to be in his 40s, was found with a gunshot wound to his head in the 500 block of West 105th Street, Chicago police said. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Area Two detectives are questioning a person of interest.


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    #2749
    Cordell
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    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    The intent may have been to use it - in self defence.

    He knew who he was up against though. Convicted felons, armed 'paramedics'. Not a 'fist fight' at all, as you portray it.

    Around and around it goes.

    If he knew he was gonna be up against armed convicted felons then this is not your usual kind of self defense in response to an unprovoked aggression.
    I'm not trying to defend either, neither the scumbags that were killed, and neither the one who killed them. They all got what was coming to them.


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    #2750
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    He murdered people in cold blood. Think he deserves all the demonising he gets. He is a murderer.

    Thankfully, you're not the judge of that.

    Yet again, people's emotions getting in their way.


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    #2751
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    He might be a terrorist but I don't buy the white supremacy angle.

    The recent complaint says he was white so someone has it wrong. His mother looks incredibly white and also seems enjoy soldier dress up, like her son.

    https://twitter.com/marissanelson24/status/1298745679481901057?s=20

    https://twitter.com/M____IRAL/status/1299044959870488576?s=20

    His house is now a murderer? Jaysus only black lives matter are losing the run of themselves completely when the are blaming inanimate objects for murder lmao


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    #2752
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Once again the semantics police come out to protect rambo, where were you when posters where calling Blake by the crimes he was charged with?

    Please go find a post from me where I said anything about Blake's previous crimes. I was very specific and even said I wasn't taking Blake's previous crimes or alleged crimes into account. I said it was Blake's actions on the day of his shooting and not his past that led to him getting shot.

    Video disproves the witness. He wasn't cornered.

    Ran into an area where there were cars somewhat blocking his route. His options were limited. He wasn't in the middle of a field. And he was being assaulted.

    And as a previous poster pointed out, even if you lose the right to self-defence due to committing a crime, you can regain it by fleeing from the incident. And in both shootings, it's 10000000000% clear that Rittenhouse was fleeing the violence and only responded once he was attacked.

    Again, I've listed several reasons why by Wisconsin law you lose self-defense.

    And yet even if you lose it, it can be regained as was pointed out earlier.

    And you can keep saying it all you like but I find it hard to believe that you can't defend yourself legally if you've committed a misdemeanour. Which at that stage is all that Rittenhouse had committed.
    Jurys don't always get it right. I'm sure you also believe OJ isn't a murderer.

    Agreed, jurys don't always get it right. But they probably get it right far more than they get it wrong.

    Nope, I reckon OJ did it.


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    #2753
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Sand wrote: »
    He is a child, not an adult.

    Courts try minors as adults all the time. I doubt you ever had an issue with a black 17 year old being tried as an adult.
    The difference is important given the demonisation he is being subjected to.

    He shot 3 people after choosing to insert himself into a volatile situation with a gun. If this was a black kid that shot up a proud boys protest I guarantee you wouldn't be saying he was being demonised.

    If you want to talk about being demonised, take a look at how this paper reports on a killer and a victim.

    https://twitter.com/kali_mac/status/1298918037563863045?s=20


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    #2754
    Cupatae
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    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    Thankfully, you're not the judge of that.

    Yet again, people's emotions getting in their way.

    I dont think blm supports actually know what murder is at this point lol


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    #2755
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,146 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Overheal wrote: »
    If this was a photo of a brown child the right wing would be apoplectic.

    They'd lose their minds. A pretty accurate cartoon of how these things are dealt with

    https://twitter.com/sweetlifephoto/status/1299119943510876160?s=20


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    #2756
    Tipperary animal lover
    Registered Users Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    He looks white as fcuk to me.

    isn't that a bit racist ... the kind of sh#te your staying up on this thread for?


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    #2757
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    They'd lose their minds. A pretty accurate cartoon of how these things are dealt with

    https://twitter.com/sweetlifephoto/status/1299119943510876160?s=20

    Do you have any original thoughts, or is it all just frantic scrabbling to find superficial graphics that confirm your bias ?

    The latter, I think.


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    #2758
    Overheal
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Are convicted felons allowed to have a pistol? Genuine question as I don't know the answer. Because two of the guys who assaulted Rittenhouse were filmed with guns on the night in question.

    Not that that makes much difference.

    Depends on the state. WI there's a good chance they don't have the right but I'm waiting to see what happens with the guy shot in the arm then.


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    #2759
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    They'd lose their minds. A pretty accurate cartoon of how these things are dealt with

    https://twitter.com/sweetlifephoto/status/1299119943510876160?s=20

    Wow any more MS Paint pictures to illustrate your ridiculously untrue manipulated points? Because they look so legit lmao


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    #2760
    Overheal
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    What if he had a joint in his pocket? Is that a criminal activity?

    Yes. Depends on the state these days though. Though I should clarify the knife law in SC says if you use the knife to commit or aid in the commission of a crime. Here, the gun was being used in commission of crimes of illegal carry.


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    #2761
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    So if he had a joint and open carry, and was attacked by 4 people and he defended himself is he 100% a murderer?

    Should the guy who was a felon with the gun, be charged with attempted murder after attacking the 17 year old with his buddies?

    Some really warped logic.

    There seems to be one set of rules for BLM protesters and a way harsher version of em for those that stand against this septic movement.


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