Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Igotadose

Igotadose wrote: »

I've no hope anything will change, though, not before the disease spikes. Best to prep now for a future long lockdown imo.

There’s not going to be another long lockdown. Masks (the use of which will start to become the norm), social distancing by all but the minority, and general awareness will keep a lid on this, irrespective of a handful of ignorant tourists who shouldn’t be here. There might be localised restrictions, a closing of pubs and restaurants, a demand that the vulnerable cocoon again, but we can’t do another lockdown. Instead we need to be prepared with hospital and ICU capacity

As Luke oNeill and others say, we just have to live with it now

Eod100

Deleted User wrote: »

There’s not going to be another long lockdown. Masks (the use of which will start to become the norm), social distancing by all but the minority, and general awareness will keep a lid on this, irrespective of a handful of ignorant tourists who shouldn’t be here. There might be localised restrictions, a closing of pubs and restaurants, a demand that the vulnerable cocoon again, but we can’t do another lockdown. Instead we need to be prepared with hospital and ICU capacity

As Luke oNeill and others say, we just have to live with it now

I don't think there will or could be a national lockdown. I'm not sure could localised lockdowns within counties could work, let alone county ones but think there may be restrictions brought back in some regions unfortunately.

Think government will need to decide on priorities. Will be a lot of frustrated parents if kids can't go to school in September. For flu season need to just provide free vaccine for anyone who wants one in the country. Lot of employees will likely continue to work from home into the autumn/winter.

Can't see health capacity managing flu and spike in covid19 cases at one time tbh

Igotadose

Deleted User wrote: »

There’s not going to be another long lockdown. Masks (the use of which will start to become the norm), social distancing by all but the minority, and general awareness will keep a lid on this, irrespective of a handful of ignorant tourists who shouldn’t be here. There might be localised restrictions, a closing of pubs and restaurants, a demand that the vulnerable cocoon again, but we can’t do another lockdown. Instead we need to be prepared with hospital and ICU capacity

As Luke oNeill and others say, we just have to live with it now

But.... we're not mandating masks except on mass transit (weren't they at least strongly required there previously? So this isn't such a big change?).

Has ICU capacity gone up? The private hospitals control their resources again.

And the tourism thing is a clusterfcuk. Government refuses to s**t or get off the pot. Instead, they run around wearing the hair shirt over some minister caught drinking 4 years ago and debating more maternity leave. Delusional.

I'd still prep for a lockdown; the supply chain wobbled during the last one, good to anticipate it might do so again.

theballz

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There’s not going to be another long lockdown. Masks (the use of which will start to become the norm), social distancing by all but the minority, and general awareness will keep a lid on this, irrespective of a handful of ignorant tourists who shouldn’t be here. There might be localised restrictions, a closing of pubs and restaurants, a demand that the vulnerable cocoon again, but we can’t do another lockdown. Instead we need to be prepared with hospital and ICU capacity

As Luke oNeill and others say, we just have to live with it now

Another lockdown is inevitable. Luke O’Neill is great to listen to but he doesn’t make decisions on the direction of the country.

What will likely happen is clusters being forced to lockdown (primarily Dublin.)

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/kieranmcc_ss/status/1282315035516313600?s=21

Pablo Escobar

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

The consecquence are here and now and very real lung damage being one .

I had what is now suspected as Covid back in February. I’ve had lung issues since then. I had pneumonia which I never got checked at the time. Since then it has been pretty been steadily improving. I was at a respiratory specialist during the week that told me that my lungs still had sediment in them. I was given a course of medication that will apparently fix it in my case. But I have no doubt whatsoever that if that was Covid, and it did that to me, a severe dose could completely ruin somebody I would think.

caveat emptor

theballz wrote: »

Another lockdown is inevitable. Luke O’Neill is great to listen to but he doesn’t make decisions on the direction of the country.

What will likely happen is clusters being forced to lockdown (primarily Dublin.)

Kinda hard to get people to lock down when all and sundry can rock up for a pint from biohazard hot zones. I’d never imply I wouldn’t adhere to a lawful direction from the government....... but at this stage I could sympathise with those who wouldn’t.

stephenjmcd

caveat emptor wrote: »

Given that you have been a big advocate for returning to normal and by that I mean going for a pint. The story about your grand dad was nice and I’d have same mentality at that stage in my life.

How do you feel that you could bump into some gob****e who doesn’t give a fvck about trying to quarantine?

Should we all just renege and accept our faith that a second wave could happen and we must pay the associated cost.

It’s easy to say there is nothing we can do but it’s hard to think of ways to come up with actual solutions.

My returning to normal wasn't just going for a pint by the way, it was nice to be back out but thats a gross misrepresentation. My return to normal was to see friends and family and getting back active in terms of being able to go out and train with my football team, the little things.

I dont condone what the person the poster is referring to is doing and fair play to said poster for trying to do something about it, but at the moment its like hitting a brick wall, the government legislation is a mess, a complete and utter shambles. Here's a form fill it in and thats it. There's absolutely no come back after that, ring the Gardai as much as anyone wants but there's nothing they can do.

You mention solutions, we all know what the solution is, implement the same travel lists as the rest of Europe. Hiding behind the CTA isn't a reasonable excuse anymore.

I think you've taken my post completely the wrong way, its pointing out the current issues with the policy we've went with.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The GAA clubs in West Cork have been allowed to resume play. Great news.

1 club in North Dublin has been stood down now after a postive test. Going to be a fairly requent thing but hopefully like in Cork resolved quite quickly.

Man O'War GFC issued a statement on the club's official website late on Saturday night outlining the situation following a diagnosis which they said they had been notified about "in recent hours".

"This is a precautionary measure," the statement outlined, "while the individual in question awaits the commencement of the contact tracing process and further guidance from the public health authorities."

DevilsHaircut

Susan Mitchell is Stephen Donnelly's new Dominic Cummings/SPAD.

https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1254383544547360768

https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1281527018174050310

https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1280128103252209666

Eod100

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Susan Mitchell is Stephen Donnelly's new Dominic Cummings/SPAD.

https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1254383544547360768

https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1281527018174050310

https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1280128103252209666

De Brun seems to have gone off the deep end fairly quickly unfortunately. Sad to see tbh

caveat emptor

stephenjmcd wrote: »

My returning to normal wasn't just going for a pint by the way, it was nice to be back out but thats a gross misrepresentation. My return to normal was to see friends and family and getting back active in terms of being able to go out and train with my football team, the little things.

I dont condone what the person the poster is referring to is doing and fair play to said poster for trying to do something about it, but at the moment its like hitting a brick wall, the government legislation is a mess, a complete and utter shambles. Here's a form fill it in and thats it. There's absolutely no come back after that, ring the Gardai as much as anyone wants but there's nothing they can do.

You mention solutions, we all know what the solution is, implement the same travel lists as the rest of Europe. Hiding behind the CTA isn't a reasonable excuse anymore.

I think you've taken my post completely the wrong way, its pointing out the current issues with the policy we've went with.

No offence meant. Everyone has sacrificed activities that they enjoy so not having a go. I would love to go for a pint but I won’t be going anytime soon while there are so many loopholes for people to potentially seed an outbreak.

I take your point that nobody is responsible. Hopefully they implement some solution because this is mad at the moment.

I was genuinely disappointed with the situation on Friday when I realised. I’d been planning on having a nice break somewhere. We all need a holiday at this stage.

I can’t control what other people do so I’m not bothered now. I’ll take a week and use home as a base to do some holiday activities that don’t involve increased risks.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

My returning to normal wasn't just going for a pint by the way, it was nice to be back out but thats a gross misrepresentation. My return to normal was to see friends and family and getting back active in terms of being able to go out and train with my football team, the little things.

I dont condone what the person the poster is referring to is doing and fair play to said poster for trying to do something about it, but at the moment its like hitting a brick wall, the government legislation is a mess, a complete and utter shambles. Here's a form fill it in and thats it. There's absolutely no come back after that, ring the Gardai as much as anyone wants but there's nothing they can do.

You mention solutions, we all know what the solution is, implement the same travel lists as the rest of Europe. Hiding behind the CTA isn't a reasonable excuse anymore.

I think you've taken my post completely the wrong way, its pointing out the current issues with the policy we've went with.

I think it's another example of very obvious solutions that public are ahead of government on. As has been seen before procrastinating and delaying making decisions has no benefits and many pitfalls. Really don't need to be a public health expert to see current measures aren't sustainable as is, let alone if travel starts returning to more normal levels.

Former head of HSE Tony O'Brien echoes a lot of what's being said here, on social media and in real life by lot of people recently that the quarantine rules aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

https://www.businesspost.ie/columnists/tony-obrien-quarantine-rules-are-hardly-worth-the-paper-theyre-written-on-99cd08b8

FishOnABike

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

But wouldn't it be more effective than the current system?

It would be more effective than nothing, which is what our current voluntary quarantine amounts to. Ideally people should quarantine and be tested at the end of the potential incubation period.

This would mean somewhere between 7 and 14 days quarantine and a negative test at the end before being allowed enter the country from a non green list area. Depending in people to be conscientious is not enough. It remains to be seen whether our government is serious about containing this or not.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1282326210022977537

Eod100

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1282326210022977537

I think that's way to go along with proactive as opposed to reactive testing to catch it before asymptomatic cases before they spread, catching it few days earlier could risk lot of contacts and so positive cases spreading it to more people.

JP Liz V1

expectationlost wrote: »

ring the Department of Foreign Affairs, and let them see if he filled in a form.

Coveney has gone very quiet, US ban from Ireland but we cannot ban from the US

Always_Running

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Susan Mitchell is Stephen Donnelly's new Dominic Cummings/SPAD.

https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1254383544547360768

https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1281527018174050310

https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1280128103252209666

That chap is Gemma O Dohertys favourite doctor need i say anymore..

Eod100

In fairness to Zara King asking Donnelly good questions here. Donnelly's reply is rubbish ''should do X'' when there's clear evidence of them not doing it..

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1282306556340600838

stephenjmcd

Italy reports 9 deaths and 234 cases.

Quite stable still in Italy given they were the initial European epicentre

Eod100

I think US needs to have state if not country lockdowns for 3 weeks. The stop and start lockdowns will be far worse for economy and people's health. Lot of people wouldn't be comfortable or confident to go out there until it's over. Half measures really are the worst way of trying to decrease outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1282199173857771520

https://twitter.com/dsupervilleap/status/1282339269407911937

Stheno

Eod100 wrote: »

I think US needs to have state if not country lockdowns for 3 weeks. The stop and start lockdowns will be far worse for economy and people's health. Lot of people wouldn't be comfortable or confident to go out there until it's over. Half measures really are the worst way of trying to decrease outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1282199173857771520

https://twitter.com/dsupervilleap/status/1282339269407911937

If Florida were a country it would be fourth in the world today for new cases

Eod100

Stheno wrote: »

If Florida were a country it would be fourth in the world today for new cases

Shocking. And it's population is only 21.5m. US breaking all the wrong records

Stheno

Eod100 wrote: »

Shocking. And it's population is only 21.5m. US breaking all the wrong records

And I'd say a good one third of the population of Florida are over 65 as well

I find the use of the word record disturbing tbh, it has always implied good things to me.

ginoginelli

Our politicians are infuriating. It really doesn't feel they like they have joe public's interest at heart.

If they were serious about this they would test at the airport, then enforce real quarantine for 2 - 4 days, then test again. New Zealand can do it, Taiwan can do it, Japan can do it.. We can do IT.

If we can convince the north to adopt the same policy, as well as making masks mandatory indoors, we could be in a similar, safe situation, like Taiwan.

Ireland is in a great place right now but globally the situation is dire. Our leaders need to step up to the plate now and take some definitive action before it's too late.

iamwhoiam

Every single person I have spoken too lately is absolutely furious that Americans are allowed into our country and roam freely
After all our efforts , after all the cancelling of weddings and funerals , after people in care homes had no visitors for months and people lost loved one this is our thanks from our Government

Eod100

Stheno wrote: »

And I'd say a good one third of the population of Florida are over 65 as well

I find the use of the word record disturbing tbh, it has always implied good things to me.

Yeah fair point. Guess it has recorded the highest number of cases so far would be better. Either way worrying times in US no doubt

drunkmonkey

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The GAA clubs in West Cork have been allowed to resume play. Great news.

Any word on the tipperary ones, I'd say the GAA are being extra cautious.

stephenjmcd

Covid app already proving its worth

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/hse-app-detects-its-first-covid-19-cases-1010694.html

Arghus

Hard to believe how the government is sitting on its hands, despite the clear and obvious risk posed by US tourists. Absolute madness, have they learned nothing since March? What happened to all that decisiveness. It makes a mockery of all those efforts over the last few months.

Santy2015

Went to courtmacsherry earlier, had a lovely lunch in the lifeboat inn. Just walked in. Manager sat us down gave us two menus that were sanitised before we received them, told us we’d have to vacate the table at 2pm which was fine only went in for a toasted special.
Still felt pretty odd not being able to go to the bar and so on. Courtmacsherry was busy with the majority being irish and the odd NI reg car around alright. Saw one small group of Spanish women, but you don’t know do they live here or not

Westernyelp

Eod100 wrote:

De Brun seems to have gone off the deep end fairly quickly unfortunately. Sad to see tbh

Drinking the Gemma juice

stephenjmcd

0 deaths reported and 17 new cases

ACitizenErased

0 new deaths

17 additional cases

ACitizenErased

Cases coming right back down again for last 2 days

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cases coming right back down again for last 2 days

Have to wait a few days to see if its a trend that keeps up. There's no visible impact of phase 3 anyway, clusters relating to travel and house parties seem to have been the impact for the week but they've been gotten on top of quite quickly it would appear

Be right back

Great to see no deaths reported.

owlbethere

ginoginelli wrote: »

Our politicians are infuriating. It really doesn't feel they like they have joe public's interest at heart.

If they were serious about this they would test at the airport, then enforce real quarantine for 2 - 4 days, then test again. New Zealand can do it, Taiwan can do it, Japan can do it.. We can do IT.

If we can convince the north to adopt the same policy, as well as making masks mandatory indoors, we could be in a similar, safe situation, like Taiwan.

Ireland is in a great place right now but globally the situation is dire. Our leaders need to step up to the plate now and take some definitive action before it's too late.

Don you know what's happening now with travelling? It will be like the early days of March where they told us community transmission is low when everyone on street and their dogs knew the virus was here and circulating and the population was divided. Some people were already taking action and others passed the virus off as a little cold or flu and continued going out in crowds and drinking.

The government is probably going to wait for evidence of transmission from tourists before they do anything to protect the population from tourists from hot-spots.

Eod100

Sky had this detail form Martin's interview on BBC earlier. Not sure what type of measures he means "He said his administration will discuss international travel further this week, including whether to strengthen resources at airports.," https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-ireland-quarantine-remains-in-force-for-british-holidaymakers-12027137

ACitizenErased

Analysis of cases as of midnight Friday 10th July - 25,611 cases (+23)

Healthcare Workers +3
Clusters +15
Cases associated with clusters +73

Age Range Affected
0-4 +1
5-14 +1
15-24 +6
25-34 +5
35-44 +5
45-54 +3
55-64 No Change
65-74 +2
75-84 No Change
85+ No Change

Cases by County
Cavan +1
Clare +1
Dublin +7
Galway -1
Kildare +7
Louth +2
Wexford +3
Wicklow +3

phater phagan

Arghus wrote: »

Hard to believe how the government is sitting on its hands, despite the clear and obvious risk posed by US tourists. Absolute madness, have they learned nothing since March? What happened to all that decisiveness. It makes a mockery of all those efforts over the last few months.

It is very disappointing that restrictions on entering from USA and Britain seem to be being ignored. It's very frustrating alright. Friends have cancelled holidays until next year (myself also).
Cheltenham racegoers returning should have been tested and made to self isolate.
The nursing home situation was mishandled badly.
Masks were not made mandatory for months.
I'm not too confident that much is going to improve, but I live in hope.

nocoverart

Good news. In the mood for a pint now.

PopTarts

Clare were doing good with no cases for a good number of weeks. Is today the first case in Clare (haven’t seen county numbers since Wednesday)

Deeper Blue

There's only a few people in the country that don't want to do anything about the Americans and they're sitting in the Dáil. Infuriating.

wadacrack

Not bad today, can hopefully keep it at this level and improve the situation with travel related cases

Storm 10

The hop on hop off bus is doing the rounds in Galway with tourists on board, I can't understand how tourists from the UK are banned yet there are loads of flights landing daily at our airports from the the UK

mountgomery burns

How difficult would it be to have a blanket ban on American tourists? All returning Irish citizens would need to contact DFA for pre clearance to immigration, and mandate that all passengers need to present their boarding pass at immigration so they know they've come in on a flight from the US.

Is this too simplistic, am I missing something obvious?

Itssoeasy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have to wait a few days to see if its a trend that keeps up. There's no visible impact of phase 3 anyway, clusters relating to travel and house parties seem to have been the impact for the week but they've been gotten on top of quite quickly it would appear

Which is why I believe there was a slight overeaction to the cases going above 20 for a couple of days the week just gone. I believe we need to watch the numbers but not panic over two days of an increase which isnt enough to say the numbers are going in a certain direction.

Excellent news that no deaths today.

Always_Running

By my count 36 more weekly cases than last week but we had roughly 11,000 extra tests carried out this week. 10 deaths this week one less than last week.

blade1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

0 new deaths

17 additional cases

17 Americans I suppose