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Spanish court suspends lockdown of virus-hit Catalonia area

A local court in Spain has suspended a home confinement order imposed on more than 200,000 people in the region of Catalonia after an upsurge in virus cases.

Catalonia officials ordered the home confinement on the city of Lerida and its surrounding areas a week after the zone had been placed under less strict lockdown.

"The Lerida district court has decided not to ratify the measures of the 12 July resolution," the Catalan supreme court said on its Twitter account, although the decision can be appealed.

Gruffalux

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yes I'm sure there are other factors to it and I certainly wouldn't say that the percentage of patients found to experience long term effects could necessarily be extrapolated to other groups not represented in the study obviously but it is interesting research nonetheless.

Some posters voiced concerns about long term illness post recovery and their concerns were dismissed based on other posters anecdontal accounts of people they knew who had recovered fully and the fact that no studies such as the above had been released yet. So the research does validate those concerns to some extent for sure.

G'way outta that with your scientific studies or even accounts from doctors with hundreds of patients in hotspot areas who are dealing with sequelae...isn't Padge-Joe's cousin's wife's niece's mechanic's friend and the oul wan who lives over the mountain from them perfectly fine. That'll do me.

WoollyRedHat

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1282830302272987137?s=09

Very unsettling growth in cases and death rates across America. Many of the blue states are faring better at containment than their republican neighbours. Things like mask compliance, education about handwashing and respiratory etiquette and carefully implementing safe workplaces while keeping schools closed have been effective control methods (seeing as Trump allocated inadequate funds to many at the start, they had to take more drastic action from the start).

Putting it simply, the majority in red states hate being told what to do, think covid is a hoax and demand business as usual as regards commerce and education. That's a lethal combination. It isn't just the ignorant who suffer when the cases and deaths start to rise but the scales seem to be tipping in favour of them now.

New York enforcing a quarantine on visitors (Fauci firing serious shots in Trump's direction)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJs6h3KdtMY

Meanwhile bars are being closed again in Nevada but not casinos.


What do you think of Elizabeth Warren?

Watching that YouTube clip, Cuomo is such a calming figure, in comparison to other figures. Sure, he made made mistakes in the early days but difference is they learnt from these mistakes, have now changed course and going in the right direction.

Unlike the charlatan in the White House,his administration and select governors who should face charges of manslaughter against their own people at the very least, for ignoring their own medical teams advice and facilitating an accelerating reopening that has now seen surge of cases, as was strongly predicted.

mloc123

If you have missed your daily dose of doom and gloom, read through the replies to this tweet...

https://twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1282790721926438912?s=19

I have never seen so many people scared to live their lives in a single place.

schmoo2k

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Governor Cuomo of New York discussed what is needed for the schools to reopen, the quarantine regime in NY and aimed several delicious broadsides at that lying toxic bloated orange oaf in the White House, at today's press conference.

He really does not want anyone from infected states to set foot in New York, we should do likewise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJs6h3KdtMY

Do you mean foreigners in Ireland or Dubliners in Kerry?

Plumbthedepths

mloc123 wrote: »

If you have missed your daily dose of doom and gloom, read through the replies to this tweet...

https://twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1282790721926438912?s=19

I have never seen so many people scared to live their lives in a single place.

That's grim, genuinely I'm beginning to wonder do people actually enjoy this level of fear.

robbiezero

mloc123 wrote: »

If you have missed your daily dose of doom and gloom, read through the replies to this tweet...

https://twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1282790721926438912?s=19

I have never seen so many people scared to live their lives in a single place.

Unreal.
I feel almost back to normal now. Played hurling match sunday, had pints afterwards with team-mates, visiting family (with hugs etc), local opens next Monday.
Is the level of fear in that thread really rational?

stephenjmcd

mloc123 wrote: »

If you have missed your daily dose of doom and gloom, read through the replies to this tweet...

https://twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1282790721926438912?s=19

I have never seen so many people scared to live their lives in a single place.

Unbelievable.
1 reply, I'd like to go out for a coffee without feeling like I might die. Really ? What kind of rationale is that.

Eye opening that thread

eagle eye

WoollyRedHat wrote:

Unlike the charlatan in the White House,his administration and select governors who should face charges of manslaughter against their own people at the very least.

Yeah agree with that. Leo Varadkar and Simon Harris are in the same boat. Letting back skiers without self-isolation, letting in the Italian rugby fans and letting people off to Cheltenham and other sporting events. They caused many deaths.

MadYaker

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah agree with that. Leo Varadkar and Simon Harris are in the same boat. Letting back skiers without self-isolation, letting in the Italian rugby fans and letting people off to Cheltenham and other sporting events. They caused many deaths.

:pac:

wadacrack

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That's grim, genuinely I'm beginning to wonder do people actually enjoy this level of fear.

Obviously they don't. Alot of people are suffering from anxiety due to the pandemic especially people working in healthcare

podgeandrodge

mloc123 wrote: »

If you have missed your daily dose of doom and gloom, read through the replies to this tweet...

https://twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1282790721926438912?s=19

I have never seen so many people scared to live their lives in a single place.

Holy F.

mloc123

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Unbelievable.
1 reply, I'd like to go out for a coffee without feeling like I might die. Really ? What kind of rationale is that.

Eye opening that thread

I suspect most of those people suffer from some level of depression or anxiety... Lots of mentions about how lockdown felt like a safely net.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That's grim, genuinely I'm beginning to wonder do people actually enjoy this level of fear.

I think that there is a large part of the population that embrace it tbh

And the reason that they lash out at the rest of us is that we are making it more difficult for them to wallow in it

Eod100

Varadkar says mandatory quarantine not possible for legal and practical reasons. No detail on what they are though. https://www.newstalk.com/news/varadkar-mandatory-quarantine-turned-bit-disaster-australia-1045630?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1594714920

Eod100

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That's grim, genuinely I'm beginning to wonder do people actually enjoy this level of fear.

Hardly. After months of restrictions its not unusual that there would be anxiety for some. These people may experience mental health issues generally. Hopefully they get help to make them feel more comfortable re-entering life.

Eod100

robbiezero wrote: »

Unreal.
I feel almost back to normal now. Played hurling match sunday, had pints afterwards with team-mates, visiting family (with hugs etc), local opens next Monday.
Is the level of fear in that thread really rational?

A lot of fear is irrational though.

AdamD

mloc123 wrote: »

If you have missed your daily dose of doom and gloom, read through the replies to this tweet...

https://twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1282790721926438912?s=19

I have never seen so many people scared to live their lives in a single place.

These are the people that genuinely enjoyed lockdown, nutcases.

froog

robbiezero wrote: »

Unreal.
I feel almost back to normal now. Played hurling match sunday, had pints afterwards with team-mates, visiting family (with hugs etc), local opens next Monday.
Is the level of fear in that thread really rational?

Just curious but have you been following the news outside ireland at all?

Plumbthedepths

wadacrack wrote: »

Obviously they don't.

I'm not so sure. Health care workers I can understand. People that have sat at home since March not so much.

Plumbthedepths

froog wrote: »

Just curious but have you been following the news outside ireland at all?

What's that got to do with how a person in Ireland feels?

froog

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What's that got to do with how a person in Ireland feels?

It's a global pandemic and the virus can spread across borders.

polesheep

wadacrack wrote: »

Obviously they don't. Alot of people are suffering from anxiety due to the pandemic especially people working in healthcare

I know an awful lot of people working in healthcare, but I don't know of any suffering from anxiety due to Covid or otherwise. They're just getting on with their job and wishing they could go on holiday. Anxiety isn't normal and is not nearly as common as you suggest.

I just want to rewind 12 months and remember what it’s like to be looking forward to something. The staying at home is something I’ve been doing for years but I could put my dad into respite a few times a year and get a break from it all. I’m not even talking about going on holiday, I’m talking about being able to think about something else apart from my “job”.

I don’t know when respite services will come back. Spare a thought for all those home carers out there.

Sorry, I’m in a feel sorry for myself mood today.

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar says mandatory quarantine not possible for legal and practical reasons. No detail on what they are though. https://www.newstalk.com/news/varadkar-mandatory-quarantine-turned-bit-disaster-australia-1045630?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1594714920

He is right. This will go on for months or years. The virus is suppressed and we should be open to certain countries without mandatory quarantine. We have to open up in a managed way sometime, and the COVID situation is realistically not going to get any better than this. If the suggestion is that we wait until next year, my question is why. What will be better next year?

But I do believe that high risk travellers such as from the US should be banned, unless resident here, until they get their house in order

And re. the UK, incoming travel by Brits is just something we will have to live with. Our situation, probably in the world, is unique in that the passport of our neighbour automatically gives residency rights with no additional residency card or other registration procedure necessary (even in schengen you have to register if moving country). So can’t stop British into Ireland or Irish into Britain, as cannot tell if they are resident or not without inferring this by looking at bank account statements or utility bills (and even then they might be in a partners name)

Eod100

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm not so sure. Health care workers I can understand. People that have sat at home since March not so much.

Their fear is about returning to society. That implies they want to do so in the first place. People involved in mental health services here have said there will be issues for some. Some are resilient and can bounce back, some will think they're fine and have issues later on, others will have issues at the start. No response is wrong .

Plumbthedepths

froog wrote: »

It's a global pandemic and the virus can spread across borders.

It already did spread here and we have managed to suppress it. So the poster beginning to feel normal is valid.

ronano

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I just want to rewind 12 months and remember what it’s like to be looking forward to something. The staying at home is something I’ve been doing for years but I could put my dad into respite a few times a year and get a break from it all. I’m not even talking about going on holiday, I’m talking about being able to think about something else apart from my “job”.

I don’t know when respite services will come back. Spare a thought for all those home carers out there.

Sorry, I’m in a feel sorry for myself mood today.

You are not in a sorry mood, the job you do is difficult, stressful and all consuming. I hope respite services in your area start up again, hugs.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that there is a large part of the population that embrace it tbh

And the reason that they lash out at the rest of us is that we are making it more difficult for them to wallow in it

Edgy. I see we are back to commenting on commentators as opposed to the situation. Do You know who used to love doing that?

Economic doom merchants threaten our future, says Bertie

He said that people should not allow themselves to be convinced by the "nay-sayers" and "merchants of doom" that the Irish economy was in trouble or that the good times were over.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/economic-doom-merchants-threaten-our-future-says-bertie-26301340.html

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1282961027588644866?s=19

robbiezero

froog wrote: »

Just curious but have you been following the news outside ireland at all?

Yes. So what?

MonkstownHoop

AdamD wrote: »

These are the people that genuinely enjoyed lockdown, nutcases.

'my anxiety'

the corpo

I think a problem, that is genuinely scary to some people, is how many places aren't in anyway taking social distancing seriously. Many are, but a significant amount aren't.

Wife and I went to get some take out coffee from a coffee shop near the Phoenix park. The table arrangement didn't look any different from before, and place was heaving. Now, it's my understanding that if the tables couldn't be more than a metre apart you'd expect staff to be wearing protective gear. None were, of any description.

Every table was full, all adults elbow to elbow, not a chance they were all from the same households. If you were anxious about a return to normality, how could that not freak you out and make you dive back under the covers? Everyone needs to be a lot more patient with each other.

Boggles

Report on the coming winter in the UK.

https://acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/51353957

Basically prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Renjit

I love breakfast and a pinch of positivity.

prunudo

Can anyone fill me in on the cluster that they mentioned in Kerry yesterday. My family want to organise a weekend trip to Killarney soon and am uneasy about going. Its not that I'm super paranoid about the pandemic, just that I know its safer stay home where I have more control who I come into contact with.
Maybe Im over reacting but its an unnecessary trip in my mind. Not sure the 'new norm' of socialising and holidaying is worth the trip.

froog

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It already did spread here and we have managed to suppress it. So the poster beginning to feel normal is valid.

in the simplest possible terms - this thing is rampant across the world right now, it never really slowed down and it is getting worse and worse. until we have a vaccine it's going to be bad. what will make it worse for us here in ireland is people taking zero precautions right now and mocking those who do and are anxious. the tough guy stance some on here have is extremely immature and dangerous. it's what led to the carnage in the US and Brazil right now.

enjoy the few weeks of freedom lad, really i mean that. I will too.

Dante7

mloc123 wrote: »

If you have missed your daily dose of doom and gloom, read through the replies to this tweet...

https://twitter.com/Ciaraioch/status/1282790721926438912?s=19

I have never seen so many people scared to live their lives in a single place.

Pronouns in the bio. Anything they say can be dismissed for not being subjected to rigorous thinking.

stephenjmcd

prunudo wrote: »

Can anyone fill me in on the cluster that they mentioned in Kerry yesterday. My family want to organise a weekend trip to Killarney soon and am uneasy about going. Its not that I'm super paranoid about the pandemic, just that I know its safer stay home where I have more control who I come into contact with.
Maybe Im over reacting but its an unnecessary trip in my mind. Not sure the 'new norm' of socialising and holidaying is worth the trip.

Was reported at the end of last week, cluster related to a house party and no evidence from public health that any socialising was done outside of the rented house.

Eod100

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He is right. This will go on for months or years. The virus is suppressed and we should be open to certain countries without mandatory quarantine. We have to open up in a managed way sometime, and the COVID situation is realistically not going to get any better than this. If the suggestion is that we wait until next year, my question is why. What will be better next year?

But I do believe that high risk travellers such as from the US should be banned, unless resident here, until they get their house in order

And re. the UK, incoming travel by Brits is just something we will have to live with. Our situation, probably in the world, is unique in that the passport of our neighbour automatically gives residency rights with no additional residency card or other registration procedure necessary (even in schengen you have to register if moving country). So can’t stop British into Ireland or Irish into Britain, as cannot tell if they are resident or not without inferring this by looking at bank account statements or utility bills (and even then they might be in a partners name)

Issue is travel from high risk countries like US. Green list will be out Monday so no self isolation from there let. Grand travel inevitable from UK but not US without proper procedures.

schmoo2k

wadacrack wrote: »

Obviously they don't. Alot of people are suffering from anxiety due to the pandemic especially people working in healthcare

I don't think there were many in that thread working in healthcare to be fair - also not that many who would be in a high risk category even...

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Was reported at the end of last week, cluster related to a house party and no evidence from public health that any socialising was done outside of the rented house.

If that house hasn’t been rented out already, I’d say it is now the most hygienic holiday let in the country.

I hope it is anyway

robbiezero

froog wrote: »

in the simplest possible terms - this thing is rampant across the world right now, it never really slowed down and it is getting worse and worse. until we have a vaccine it's going to be bad. what will make it worse for us here in ireland is people taking zero precautions right now and mocking those who do and are anxious. the tough guy stance some on here have is extremely immature and dangerous. it's what led to the carnage in the US and Brazil right now.

enjoy the few weeks of freedom lad, really i mean that. I will too.

You do understand that there is quite a large space between "zero precautions" and the level of anxiety in that thread. It doesn't have to be either/or.

schmoo2k

Eod100 wrote: »

A lot of fear is irrational though.

I am not sure irrational is fair - its what our media tells us to be...

ixoy

froog wrote: »

what will make it worse for us here in ireland is people taking zero precautions right now and mocking those who do and are anxious.

Where are people mocking those who take precautions?

the corpo

robbiezero wrote: »

You do understand that there is quite a large space between "zero precautions" and the level of anxiety in that thread. It doesn't have to be either/or.

It's depressingly easy to head anywhere and find evidence of 'zero precautions' though. Like I said above, most places are doing a great job, but enough aren't. Public compliance may be hard to police, but I'm not adverse to the idea of businesses being fined if they aren't implementing the guidelines.

wadacrack

polesheep wrote: »

I know an awful lot of people working in healthcare, but I don't know of any suffering from anxiety due to Covid or otherwise. They're just getting on with their job and wishing they could go on holiday. Anxiety isn't normal and is not nearly as common as you suggest.

I wouldn't make assumptions based on personal experience. Not saying its normal but it is common and was even before a pandemic. People with underlying conditions or past illness could be more susceptible. That's understandable to me.

prunudo

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Was reported at the end of last week, cluster related to a house party and no evidence from public health that any socialising was done outside of the rented house.

Thank you. One of the issues I've throughout is the vagueness at which they often report cases which can lead to causes undue panic or fear.

schmoo2k

froog wrote: »

It's a global pandemic and the virus can spread across borders.

Yes it "can" or "could" but the numbers in Ireland today allow for Hurley matches and eating in restaurants (while taking appropriate, rationale precautions).

Boggles

schmoo2k wrote: »

Yes it "can" or "could" but the numbers in Ireland today allow for Hurley matches and eating in restaurants (while taking appropriate, rationale precautions).

Ah Heyor!!!