Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

expectationlost

1 guy on #rtept is coming from US to meet his girlfriend coming from France!

LiquidZeb

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yeh, I'm sure it is a very large factor but still, it means the statement regularly bandied about that it is of no danger to young people is completely false. It is,as as we can see from those sources it has killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of middle aged or younger people worldwide. Perhaps the statement 'it is not a pressing health matter for the young and healthy of the developed world', may be quite valid, but just that it is of no concern to young people anywhere is absolutely wrong, I would imagine COVID is the leading cause of death of people under 60 worldwide currently.

Oh no I agree with you 100% I'm young and with no medical conditions myself and I'd still rather not roll those dice if I can help it.

JP Liz V1

There is more than alcohol at parties

Itssoeasy

Has there been talk that the pubs reopening is going to be delayed or is Matt Cooper like a lot of the media focusing on the 32 cases while not talking about the increase in no of tests vs the low positivity rate ? Or would that be too nuanced. And no I don’t care if the pubs reopen on Monday and I’ll be waiting before I go back into my local.

Van.Bosch

expectationlost wrote: »

1 guy on #rtept is coming from US to meet his girlfriend coming from France!

Saw that - absolute nuts. Quarantining here for 2 weeks then going to France!

What Username Guidelines

Have we not danced this dance before, every 3 weeks? Few days to go, NPHET get “concerned” and ministers start leaking rubbish to press as a kite flying exercise?

Although I’m of the opinion that nightclubs can stay closed until we’re a little more in the clear and have given our testing a proper stress test. We’ve almost the whole country opened and enough people acting sensibly enough to keep cases low, let’s see what happens with pubs.

Santy2015

This thread is excellent. Always find him to be very accurate
https://twitter.com/care2much18/status/1283128640348266496?s=21

Itssoeasy

I saw on RTÉ that there is doubt about pubs reopening. I knew there was a lack of guidelines to publicans and the rte article has them saying they want to know one way or the other what's happening which is fair enough being honest.

ACitizenErased

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There is more than alcohol at parties

I must be at the wrong parties

Atlantic Dawn

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I guess beer should become a luxury reserved only for the elite in that posters mind. St James' Gate Brewery will become the new Monaco, a playground for the super rich.

While the Dail bar continues to sell one of the cheapest pints in the city of Dublin to people who are actually supposed to be in a place of work, mind boggles :rolleyes:

ACitizenErased

Santy2015 wrote: »

This thread is excellent. Always find him to be very accurate
https://twitter.com/care2much18/status/1283128640348266496?s=21

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1283128667447726084?s=20
This is the worst thing he talks about tbh, there's some amount of gob****es in this country

igCorcaigh

Vaccine news... Encouraging signs.

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1283149859034456071?s=19

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1283149859034456071

ACitizenErased

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Vaccine news... Encouraging signs.

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1283149859034456071?s=19

They took their time releasing that. Good that there's a good immune response, I was fearing the results would be bad having waited for so long.

Go Home Paddy Cat!!

What does it mean when a case of coronavirus is denotified?

ACitizenErased

Go Home Paddy Cat!! wrote: »

What does it mean when a case of coronavirus is denotified?

Means that the case has been either double counted, is a false positive etc

What Username Guidelines

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1283128667447726084?s=20
This is the worst thing he talks about tbh, there's some amount of gob****es in this country

In fairness to NPHET and government, it’s a fine line to tread when lecturing the general public on what they should and should not do, while still keeping the door open to people being open and honest about contacts.

I’ve been limiting contacts and have been careful, but a couple of weeks ago what drove it home for me was realising that if I somehow contacted it and needed to give my contacts, it would have been 10+ outside my household and none were strictly necessary. Nothing mental like house parties, but visiting friends and family.

It’s also difficult in some family dynamics. I’ve an aunt who is in her local every night, let’s say they’re not exactly pushing the €9 meal or time limits. My mother brings her to work and to visit my nana in a nursing home but has told her she doesn’t feel comfortable doing it if she’s in the pub. So she has “stopped going to the pub”.

Given the narrative around house parties, even though you’re not going to get into any legal issues with contact tracers, some may feel guilt about curbing the guidelines, as anything official may appear as authority, and not fully open up.

ChikiChiki

I've an American friend of European descent coming to study here next month. Absolutely sound person and vehemently anti current administration.

I hate that the poor fella could be affected by this as he is mad to get out of the states and start afresh, and excited after spending a lot of money to date. It's hard for me to spell out to him what I think is coming down the tracks.

ACitizenErased

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I've an American friend of European descent coming to study here next month. Absolutely sound person and vehemently anti current administration.

I hate that the poor fella could be affected by this as he is mad to get out of the states and start afresh. It's hard for me to spell out to him what I think is coming down the tracks.

I don't think there's an issue with inward immigration at this time tbh, tourism is a bigger issue. At least quarantine is possible for him.

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I must be at the wrong parties

When this ever ends and we all survive, we need to throw a big boardsie Covid nutters shindig

What Username Guidelines

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I've an American friend of European descent coming to study here next month. Absolutely sound person and vehemently anti current administration.

I hate that the poor fella could be affected by this as he is mad to get out of the states and start afresh, and excited after spending a lot of money to date. It's hard for me to spell out to him what I think is coming down the tracks.

Anyone from any nation in the world is welcome here in my opinion, all they need to do is spend 2 weeks in quarantine. Get food delivered by a service or friend, etc. Daunting prospect spending 2 weeks in a house/room but in the grand scheme of things it’s not a massive ask. It’s just not compatible with tourism unfortunately.

ACitizenErased

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

When this ever ends and we all survive, we need to throw a big boardsie Covid nutters shindig

No lie that is what i'm looking forward to the most

stephenjmcd

Tomas Ryan wants us to go back to phase 2 on the tonight show. Unbelievable stuff really.

Pushing the 0 covid island stuff again

ceadaoin.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Anyone from any nation in the world is welcome here in my opinion, all they need to do is spend 2 weeks in quarantine. Get food delivered by a service or friend, etc. Daunting prospect spending 2 weeks in a house/room but in the grand scheme of things it’s not a massive ask. It’s just not compatible with tourism unfortunately.

Or alternatively, get tested and isolate until the results come back. At least that won't take 2 weeks off your trip.

Pentecost

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't think there's an issue with inward immigration at this time tbh, tourism is a bigger issue. At least quarantine is possible for him.

Yeah I think if you are coming for long enough that it is realistic to self isolate as required then that's no problem. Like everyone else I'd be highly dubious that most tourists are coming for an additional two weeks before they start their holiday.

CruelSummer

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Tomas Ryan wants us to go back to phase 2 on the tonight show. Unbelievable stuff really.

Pushing the 0 covid island stuff again

He doesn’t care what the cost to society. He seems to continually ‘forget’ or omit the fact we’ve a border with NI, U.K. common travel area, are members of the EU and are not an island in the middle of the Pacific which has a primarily agricultural economy.

niallo27

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Anyone from any nation in the world is welcome here in my opinion, all they need to do is spend 2 weeks in quarantine. Get food delivered by a service or friend, etc. Daunting prospect spending 2 weeks in a house/room but in the grand scheme of things it’s not a massive ask. It’s just not compatible with tourism unfortunately.

Why can we not just charge 250 for a test and have it back in a day or two.

igCorcaigh

At least we have some very good contact tracing protocols in place now.

I went for my haircut (yay!) yesterday, name and phone number required.

We are very well positioned as a country to control any outbreaks. Cases will occur every day for the foreseeable future, of course. No bottleneck on testing capacity. Every notified case traced. Very low community spread.

We are in the best case scenario.

niallo27

Assetbacked wrote: »

Is WhatsApp down for everyone? Mine just stopped connecting the last few minutes.

I just got a message there about the army being drafted in to lock us in our houses, god remember them days

Azatadine

niallo27 wrote: »

I just got a message there about the army being drafted in to lock us in our houses, god remember them days

I do indeed. Some nonsense posted at that time.

stephenjmcd

3 people referred to gardai for not completing the locator form.

"Figures for the start of month show calls were made to 3,532 people who arrived in Ireland and only 48pc answered their phones when called."

Oh but it gets better, chances are you won't even get a call now,

"However due to the increase in people arriving here they are now selecting a “proportional cohort” of between 10pc and 20pc of each flight to call."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/three-people-referred-to-gardai-for-refusing-to-fill-out-passenger-location-forms-39368900.html

igCorcaigh

Go Home Paddy Cat!! wrote: »

What does it mean when a case of coronavirus is denotified?

It means that some tests are reported twice, but it could be from the same person. Different tests taken on different days from the same person.

There is no way to uniquely identify each individual. A person could have a test in a care home, say, and then the hospital does another test.

When this comes to light, a denotification occurs.

igCorcaigh

Asset backed, yeah I saw reports earlier on twitter about a WhatsApp outage. Mine is working OK though.

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

3 people referred to gardai for not completing the locator form.

"Figures for the start of month show calls were made to 3,532 people who arrived in Ireland and only 48pc answered their phones when called."

Oh but it gets better, chances are you won't even get a call now,

"However due to the increase in people arriving here they are now selecting a “proportional cohort” of between 10pc and 20pc of each flight to call."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/three-people-referred-to-gardai-for-refusing-to-fill-out-passenger-location-forms-39368900.html

What are they going to ask anyway? You don’t have to be at home. You are allowed to exercise and go to the shop for essential items. It’s a restriction of movement, not a quarantine or self isolation.

snotboogie

CruelSummer wrote: »

He doesn’t care what the cost to society. He seems to continually ‘forget’ or omit the fact we’ve a border with NI, U.K. common travel area, are members of the EU and are not an island in the middle of the Pacific which has a primarily agricultural economy.

The economy is ****ed anyway with social distancing. Our current approach is hope and pray for a vaccine. I don't think people have grasped just how restrictive the "new normal" is.

stephenjmcd

HSE Operations update

As of 18:30 no change in ICU, 10 covid confirmed paitents and 5 on ventilators.

As of 8pm 13 covid confirmed cases in general beds. Down 1 on yesterday.

1 case confirmed in hosptial labs between 8pm last night and 8pm tonight, case reported from Navan hosptial

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What are they going to ask anyway? You don’t have to be at home. You are allowed to exercise and go to the shop for essential items. It’s a restriction of movement, not a quarantine or self isolation.

Oh I agree its a joke, are you at this address ? Yes I am, OK so.

Now you might not even get that call

igCorcaigh

snotboogie wrote: »

The economy is ****ed anyway with social distancing. Our current approach is hope and pray for a vaccine. I don't think people have grasped just how restrictive the "new normal" is.

True. Business will really have to adapt to this new reality. The economy will thrive in new ways, but we are in a time of change for sure.

igCorcaigh

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE Operations update

As of 18:30 no change in ICU, 10 covid confirmed paitents and 5 on ventilators.

As of 8pm 13 covid confirmed cases in general beds. Down 1 on yesterday.

1 case confirmed in hosptial labs between 8pm last night and 8pm tonight, case reported from Navan hosptial

Wishing all well. Our health system is coping. I hope all medical services open soon.

IMHO it was never right to delay essential medical services to people, such as cancer treatment or screenings.

expectationlost

stephenjmcd wrote: »

3 people referred to gardai for not completing the locator form.

"Figures for the start of month show calls were made to 3,532 people who arrived in Ireland and only 48pc answered their phones when called."

Oh but it gets better, chances are you won't even get a call now,

"However due to the increase in people arriving here they are now selecting a “proportional cohort” of between 10pc and 20pc of each flight to call."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/three-people-referred-to-gardai-for-refusing-to-fill-out-passenger-location-forms-39368900.html

so where are those people now?

blowitupref

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Tomas Ryan wants us to go back to phase 2 on the tonight show. Unbelievable stuff really.

Pushing the 0 covid island stuff again

Ridiculous the amount of times he's been on the tonight show during this virus. Surely once was more than enough.

BorneTobyWilde

The virus does not need to be ''Lab Made'' for China to be responsible.. They could have discovered it in a bat, then studied it for a few year, created a vaccine and then somehow it got out and infected people. I find it strange that China day after day come out with
1 new cases LOL, HEHEH, HAHA
2 new cases LOL, THE WORLD IS SO DUMB HA
3 new cases LOL, Even when we're being so obvious they don't see it HAHA

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

Benimar

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The virus does not need to be ''Lab Made'' for China to be responsible.. They could have discovered it in a bat, then studied it for a few year, created a vaccine and then somehow it got out and infected people. I find it strange that China day after day come out with
1 new cases LOL, HEHEH, HAHA
2 new cases LOL, THE WORLD IS SO DUMB HA
3 new cases LOL, Even when we're being so obvious they don't see it HAHA

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

Or they are lying through their teeth:rolleyes:

fritzelly

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

If you wanna go the whole conspiracy route then why do you not think China are not reporting new cases?

JJayoo

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The virus does not need to be ''Lab Made'' for China to be responsible.. They could have discovered it in a bat, then studied it for a few year, created a vaccine and then somehow it got out and infected people. I find it strange that China day after day come out with
1 new cases LOL, HEHEH, HAHA
2 new cases LOL, THE WORLD IS SO DUMB HA
3 new cases LOL, Even when we're being so obvious they don't see it HAHA

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

Or maybe they have the ability to completely shut a city down hard, essentially the complete opposite to what is happening in America.

BorneTobyWilde

JJayoo wrote: »

Or maybe they have the ability to completely shut a city down hard, essentially the complete opposite to what is happening in America.

They reopened long long ago, with no ill effect, makes no sense on paper

Ficheall

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They reopened long long ago, with no ill effect, makes no sense on paper

I'm not sure their "reopening" is all that "open"..

ACitizenErased

fritzelly wrote: »

If you wanna go the whole conspiracy route then why do you not think China are not reporting new cases?

To be fair the Chinese have been using their vaccine for a while, their military have all been vaccinated apparently.

BLIZZARD7

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I find the acceptance of the "new normal" most remarkable.

The "new normal" until a vaccine. A vaccine exists for influenza, however 2-3 years ago influenza accounted for 25k deaths in Italy.

Sport', club's, gigs have all been postponed, some here are glad of that.

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 83 I think. The vulnerable need to be protected, but not at the cost of the futures of those not at risk.

Italy currently has had 34,984 reported deaths from Covid-19 with 3/5 of the months the virus has been present in the country in a very strict lockdown. Not comparable to the flu, I can't believe that has to be repeated still at this point.

FintanMcluskey

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Italy currently has had 34,984 reported deaths from Covid-19 with 3/5 of the months the virus has been present in the country in a very strict lockdown. Not comparable to the flu, I can't believe that has to be repeated still at this point.

Everything is comparable.

Influenza seems much more deadly to younger folk than Covid.

Thats a comparison