Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Eod100

Finally a reporter asks about mandatory quarantine.

Doctor Jimbob

Polar101 wrote: »

I don't particularly care if pubs are opening or not, so I don't really get the outrage. But I don't think the government have done a great job at communicating why they've reached this decision. I'd understand if there was a surge in cases, but there hasn't been one.

A lot of the outrage is over the incoherence and general air of incompetence surrounding it all. The government have spent the last couple of weeks dealing with infighting and scandal (who could have possibly seen that coming with FF?) and now, a few days before pubs were supposed to reopen with preparations no doubt well underway by plenty of pub owners, they decide to do a u-turn on the reopening. On top of that, they highlight overseas travel as a concern yet decide to do nothing about it. Imagine how hearing that feels to a pub owner who was getting ready to open next week?

It's an incoherent shambles.

More use of masks is a good idea though, I'll give them that.

fritzelly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

4 cases from people who travelled from the USA in 6 weeks

4 cases where people had symptoms and got tested - we don't know how many asymptomatic cases there was

Stheno

fritzelly wrote: »

MM - we're planning to talk about inbound travel next week, but we've already decided the form should be online

Christ almighty, can we arrange to send him on a prioritisation for dummies course?

stephenjmcd

Stheno wrote: »

Well between Sligo and the house party in Kerry that's over 30 alone!

So 2 big clusters over half the total cases

Basically yeah

Arghus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can you back up the governments decision with figures?

Doctor Glynn said there in the briefing that the confirmed infection rate is up to 3.9 per 100,000 from 2.5 a fortnight ago. Every other time we went from phase to phase that number was decreasing, not increasing.

Okay, you might say that is down to increased testing, but it's hard to say definitively if we're starting to see a trend emerging or not about the spread of the virus in the community as a result of phases opening and people moving about in greater numbers and in general being much more lax then they were a few weeks ago.

So given that uncertainty, would you not think it's a sensible approach to wait until the infection rate has stabilised or is even declining before you decide to plough ahead with opening up the pubs - where you can guarantee close contact between people, plenty of shouting and roaring into each other's faces and a drink fueled complete lack of social distancing.

Hurrache

BringBackMick wrote: »

6 cases from this hystericial media outrage in 6 weeks, OMG

The hysterical outrage that would make Bull McCabe so proud is driven by social media and forums like this, not the media

Eod100

fritzelly wrote: »

MM - we're planning to talk about inbound travel next week, but we've already decided the form should be online

Good thing you can't catch or spread covid19 if you've filled in an online form eh?! Wish we had thought of it sooner!

Stheno

Arghus wrote: »

Doctor Glynn said there in the briefing that the confirmed infection rate is up to 3.9 per 100,000 from 2.5 a fortnight ago. Every other time we went from phase to phase that number was decreasing, not increasing.

Okay, you might say that is down to increased testing, but it's hard to say definitively if we're starting to see a trend emerging or not about the spread of the virus in the community as a result of phases opening and people moving about in greater numbers and in general being much more lax them they were a few weeks ago.

So given that uncertainty, would you not think it's a sensible approach to wait until the infection rate has stabilised or is even declining before you decide to plough ahead with opening up the pubs - where you can guarantee close contact between people, plenty of shouting and roaring into each other's faces and a drink fueled complete lack of social distancing.

Do you agree with the policy of letting anyone from anywhere into the country with no restrictions?

fritzelly

Most cautious country with travel - mehole

Stheno

fritzelly wrote: »

Most cautious country with travel - mehole

What a pile of crap

owlbethere

If some people jut learned how to behave themselves around alcohol we wouldn't have this problem of pubs remaining closed for another few more weeks. Some people wouldn't go home from the pub until they are dry.

Strazdas

fritzelly wrote: »

4 cases where people had symptoms and got tested - we don't know how many asymptomatic cases there was

But those people mightn't even have been Americans, could easily have been Irish.

MM's point is that Ireland cannot simply shut down air travel for the next 12 months.....we don't even have a land border with anyone, bar NI.

CruelSummer

9 out of every 10 cases of Covid diagnosed here are domestic according to Stephen Donnelly...yet we’ve a massive propaganda campaign about the ‘dangers’ and ‘concerns’ of travel for the last 2 weeks forcing families to lose hundred and thousands of their hard earned money. They literally contradict themselves at every turn.

fritzelly

Strazdas wrote: »

But those people mightn't even have been Americans, could easily have been Irish.

MM's point is that Ireland cannot simply shut down air travel for the next 12 months.....we don't even have a land border with anyone, bar NI.

Doesn't matter nationality - coming from America they are an high risk

Arghus

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Martin suggesting that phase 4 will go ahead on 10th August. He seems fairly confident of it.

So if case numbers are still the same in 3 weeks time what on earth will be different then from now.

If the case numbers are the same in three weeks it would suggest strongly that there's been no further deterioration on account of phase three. Things will have stabilised.

Which is a different situation to where we are now, where case numbers are higher than where they were three weeks ago.

castletownman

owlbethere wrote: »

If some people jut learned how to behave themselves around alcohol we wouldn't have this problem of pubs remaining closed for another few more weeks. Some people wouldn't go home from the pub until they are dry.

Some is the key word there. The actions of some shouldn't dictate the policy.

A lot of people routinely go to the pub for a few pints and go home with no fuss.

We know there is problem drinking and by extension problem drinkers, but you're able to be sensible in a pub environment as well.

Arghus

Stheno wrote: »

Do you agree with the policy of letting anyone from anywhere into the country with no restrictions?

No. Why would I? I think it's a disaster waiting to happen. They should be rectifying it ASAP.

Strazdas

fritzelly wrote: »

Doesn't matter nationality - coming from America they are an high risk

There's no evidence Americans are coming here in big numbers. All we've seen is Irish people ranting about the subject on social media with no knowledge of what is actually happening.

Eod100

I think this is basically a fault of previous government's own making. If FG hand't brought forward opening of pubs with food then this would be sticking to initial phase they were meant to open so would have probably got there as normal. Now it sees like we're taking a backwards step and after going through all phases normally people are annoyed which I can understand.

I think in the scheme of things 3 weeks isn't a whole lot longer when already closed 4 months. I really feel for the staff and elderly and socially isolated customers especially in rural areas but hopefully this will mean virus is even more suppressed and that people can be confident in heading to pubs safe in knowing that in 3 weeks time.

In the meantime at least pubs with food are open, and off licences and supermarkets which were open all along of course.

JP Liz V1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

4 cases from people who travelled from the USA in 6 weeks

4 too many, no quarantine

Boggles

Stheno wrote: »

Do you agree with the policy of letting anyone from anywhere into the country with no restrictions?

No, it's ridiculous. But 2 wrongs don't make a right.

There has been a 55% increase in the 14 day trend.

Based off small numbers, but still if that trend continues the numbers will get pretty high pretty fast.

NPHET are spooked. The limiting people to other homes was the most worrying aspect of the press conference IMO.

Spanish Eyes

FF is BACK! Not a coherent message from any of them. FG, get in there and communicate with us FGS.

Eod100

Strazdas wrote: »

There's no evidence Americans are coming here in big numbers. All we've seen is Irish people ranting about the subject on social media with no knowledge of what is actually happening.

That should make it easier to ensure anyone travelling from high risk areas (American, Irish or anyone else) quarantine.

Eod100

Boggles wrote: »

NPHET are spooked. The limiting people to other homes was the most worrying aspect of the press conference IMO.

I missed that. What does that mean?

Stheno

Strazdas wrote: »

There's no evidence Americans are coming here in big numbers. All we've seen is Irish people ranting about the subject on social media with no knowledge of what is actually happening.

I think it was Coveney who said on average 250 arrive from the US a day this week

hmmm

Eod100 wrote: »

Now it sees like we're taking a backwards step and after going through all phases normally people are annoyed which I can understand.

This was always the risk and why the original plan was to have more phases over a longer period of time. It's easy to drop restrictions, it's very hard and demoralising to restore them.

Unfortunately public opinion had changed, and business interests were demanding certain things happened quicker. A government can only govern with the consent of the people.

Stheno

Boggles wrote: »

No, it's ridiculous. But 2 wrongs don't make a right.

There has been a 55% increase in the 14 day trend.

Based off small numbers, but still if that trend continues the numbers will get pretty high pretty fast.

NPHET are spooked. The limiting people to other homes was the most worrying aspect of the press conference IMO.

Is this the 10 people from no more than four households rule you are talking about?

Hurrache

Eod100 wrote: »

I missed that. What does that mean?

Social visits to private homes asked to be limited to 10 people.

BringBackMick

I cannot believe we actually have the biggest sham of a government, pandering to the mob on twitter. It is trully a sad time for our country.

Strazdas

Eod100 wrote: »

That should make it easier to ensure anyone travelling from high risk areas (American, Irish or anyone else) quarantine.

Listening to the briefing, the govt and health people are *far* more worried about domestic transmission of Covid-19.

For some reason, the media and social media brigade are obsessed with the travel issue and nearly ignoring that most new cases are happening in Ireland amongst Irish people.

JP Liz V1

Strazdas wrote: »

There's no evidence Americans are coming here in big numbers. All we've seen is Irish people ranting about the subject on social media with no knowledge of what is actually happening.

Lots visiting tourist spots in Ireland by all accounts whether coming by air or down NI border

Eod100

Hurrache wrote: »

Social visits to private homes asked to be limited to 10 people.

What was it before now out of curiosity?

Hurrache

BringBackMick wrote: »

I cannot believe we actually have the biggest sham of a government, pandering to the mob on twitter. It is trully a sad time for our country.

Obligatory 'Sinn Fein are in agreement' post.

Minnie Snuggles

I would love to know if these tourists who refused to fill out the passenger location forms were refused entry into the country?

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublinairport-coronavirus-tourists-flying-us-18598481.

Also what concerns me is the way we are conducting some funerals. In the last week, I know of one funeral where the deceased was reposing in a funeral home, and another where the deceased was reposing in their own home (one member of the family arriving into the country from a hot spot country). Given the nature of shaking hands, hugging and the volume of people attending surely this should not be happening.

Stheno

Hurrache wrote: »

Social visits to private homes asked to be limited to 10 people.

Ah, an effort to stop house parties?
Will it be enforceable?

I've been in my neighbours house once for coffe2 and in a friends for lunch once since restrictions were lifted.

Going for dinner in another friends house this weekend

No more than four people in total each time - too old for house parties

ax530

Wonder does the 10 per house conver holiday houses ... Booked a holiday house with other families

Hurrache

Eod100 wrote: »

What was it before now out of curiosity?

Dunno, I completely lost track of what was in each phase as time passed by and restrictions seemed to become nonexistent.

Arghus

Strazdas wrote: »

There's no evidence Americans are coming here in big numbers. All we've seen is Irish people ranting about the subject on social media with no knowledge of what is actually happening.

While I do think it's a problem and they should take it more seriously, I'm inclined to agree with you a little bit here.

There should be mandatory quarantine for people coming from the US and it should actually happen in real life. But, at the same time, there's a danger that it becomes an obsession and allows a lot of Irish people to forget about their own responsibilities. The basic stuff about social distancing and hand hygiene appears to be on the wane. It's easy to rant about the Americans and the government, but we've got our own responsibilities too.

The numbers of American tourists are fcking tiny, it should be taken seriously but it is tiny. You are more likely to get it from your fellow Irish.

Seamai

fritzelly wrote: »

MM - we're planning to talk about inbound travel next week, but we've already decided the form should be online

Next week isn't good enough FFS

JP Liz V1

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Lots visiting tourist spots in Ireland by all accounts whether coming by air or down NI border

Social media accounts and repetitive anecdotes on the news. I’ve yet to see evidence of meaningful numbers

(I do think that Americans should not be allowed in though, unless resident)

KathleenGrant

US2 wrote: »

na never said i was going to, just that I could. Im off on holidays on the 27th of this month , I'm sure I'll survive until then.

And I'm sure I'll get over my worry about you......I mean hope i will (sob)

Sorry, think I was being a bitch to you.
Bring me back a stick of rock, ya?

robfowler78

Wasn't clear but are face masks compulsory in shops from tonight?

Arghus

Boggles wrote: »

No, it's ridiculous. But 2 wrongs don't make a right.

There has been a 55% increase in the 14 day trend.

Based off small numbers, but still if that trend continues the numbers will get pretty high pretty fast.

NPHET are spooked. The limiting people to other homes was the most worrying aspect of the press conference IMO.

Yes, I too found that to be a bit concerning. They didn't make too much of it, but it felt like a reminder that they're not entirely sure about how the virus is circulating.

I certainly got the feeling that they're a bit more concerned then they'll say outright.

fritzelly

robfowler78 wrote: »

Wasn't clear but are face masks compulsory in shops from tonight?

Not signed in yet

autumnbelle

Cannot understand the reasoning behind a small rural pub having to remain closed but you can go to penny’s or McDonald’s and have bigger crowds

BringBackMick

Most incoherent and embarassing display from an Irish Leader in many years...

I think we need to just put our heads down for 2 years!

Renjit

Christy42 wrote: »

On your bike then. Let us know how you get on.

I am in too

Atlantic Dawn

I find it funny that they are looking at opening nightclubs on 10th August, they shouldn't be opening for the rest of the year and possibly beyond.

jammiedodgers

Is indoor capacity going to stay capped at 50 from Monday or will it inrease to 100 as planned?