Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

fritzelly

is_that_so wrote: »

You mean when we had north of 300 cases and she wanted to know about hairdressers?

Or giggling while reading out the number of deaths

timsey tiger

US2 wrote: »

There as essential as restaurants and gastro bars!!

I'm not the one saying 2 legs good four legs bad. I'm part of project fear don't you know so obviously I'd close the lot.

is_that_so

fritzelly wrote: »

Or giggling while reading out the number of deaths

That I am glad I missed. TBF few if any of them have been any good in their questioning.

US2

Renjit wrote: »

Bring some sweets.

I'm lost here. What do you mean ?

Pete_Cavan

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Do we know what number of our deaths are suspected cases and what number are confirmed cases. Is that reported anywhere?

It doesn't seem to be reported but it really should be. We seem to be denotifying a ridiculous number of deaths. Going by the The reported Island of Ireland numbers thread stickied here, since 27 June we have announced 30 deaths but denotified 13 in that time. There is something wrong with classification method if we have to denotify so many.

MickeyLeari

I was reading there about the R rate. They are saying their best estimate is that it is 1.5 but that it could be as high as 1.8. Does that mean it could be as low as 1.2 if they are looking at a margin of error?

is_that_so

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It doesn't seem to be reported but it really should be. We seem to be denotifying a ridiculous number of deaths. Going by the The reported Island of Ireland numbers thread stickied here, since 27 June we have announced 30 deaths but denotified 13 in that time. There is something wrong with classification method if we have to denotify so many.

Our reported deaths include all possible COVID-19 deaths as well. Some turn out not to be and are denotified but it's good to record that data anyway.

Renjit

Hurrache wrote: »

"100% safe environment" he claims. Is it hermetically sealed and everyone is tested negative before entry?

Even the hand sanitizers have 99% guarantee :pac: I like his confidence. It's infectious.

Eod100

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Do the Healy Raes have a pub or two themselves?

At least 1 afaik

Arghus

is_that_so wrote: »

You mean when we had north of 300 cases and she wanted to know about hairdressers?

Or when she asked Tony was he going to make an announcement about a vaccine.

US2

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It doesn't seem to be reported but it really should be. We seem to be denotifying a ridiculous number of deaths. Going by the The reported Island of Ireland numbers thread stickied here, since 27 June we have announced 30 deaths but denotified 13 in that time. There is something wrong with classification method if we have to denotify so many.

They count deaths even with no test carried out, and people who died with covid but not from it.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1278995351169613824?s=19

polesheep

Hurrache wrote: »

Stupid people are stupid people, even if we lived in a dictatorship.

It's more than that. The government has pandered to the fearful who want mandatory masks and retention of restrictions. They didn't have to as that group will always adhere to whatever restrictions are in place. The group that they really ned to keep on board is the very group that they are admonishing like bold children at every turn... the youth. If the youth decide that they have had enough it could all fall asunder. And a hell of a lot of young people won't consider that lad stupid at all, in fact, some will think he's great.

polesheep

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Two self obsessed idiots. A huge loss to any government.

Theyd lose far more people if they pandered to the idiots.

But they wouldn't, as most people are willing to follow the restrictions. They don't have to lose many for this to fall apart. Even if 100% of the people they lose are idiots.

Non solum non ambulabit

is_that_so wrote: »

Our reported deaths include all possible COVID-19 deaths as well. Some turn out not to be and are denotified but it's good to record that data anyway.

It is but it would also be great to see the split between suspected and confirmed deaths. With the low case numbers of late I suspect alot of the deaths lately are suspected cases and not confirmed cases. That data would be very helpful.

Pete_Cavan

is_that_so wrote: »

Our reported deaths include all possible COVID-19 deaths as well. Some turn out not to be and are denotified but it's good to record that data anyway.

Or we could just count the suspected deaths separately and include them in the deaths tally once confirmed. We had a suspected deaths figure early on but dropped it. The deaths announced are inflated if they include suspected cases. We had the ridiculous situation last week where we had minus deaths!

podgeandrodge

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Neither would I. Take away it's pubs the way it was handled was very unfair.

Could Whelans not have rustled up some food in any event?

Hurrache

polesheep wrote: »

It's more than that. The government has pandered to the fearful who want mandatory masks and retention of restrictions. They didn't have to as that group will always adhere to whatever restrictions are in place. The group that they really ned to keep on board is the very group that they are admonishing like bold children at every turn... the youth. If the youth decide that they have had enough it could all fall asunder. And a hell of a lot of young people won't consider that lad stupid at all, in fact, some will think he's great.

No, it's just stupid people.

Harry Palmr

Eod100 wrote: »

Who needs a vaccine eh?!

https://twitter.com/MallowNews/status/1283791581733163010

I'm just checking to be sure, you know that is the Cork version of Waterford Whispers don't you?

timsey tiger

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I was reading there about the R rate. They are saying their best estimate is that it is 1.5 but that it could be as high as 1.8. Does that mean it could be as low as 1.2 if they are looking at a margin of error?

Could be, but confidence interval need not necessarily be symmetric about best estimate.

fritzelly

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm just checking to be sure, you know that is the Cork version of Waterford Whispers don't you?

Still it's believable

Eod100

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm just checking to be sure, you know that is the Cork version of Waterford Whispers don't you?

Course! I didn't actually think he had really said that :pac:

is_that_so

wadacrack wrote: »

Not the best idea to post that on twitter

People who know Whelan's will continue to go there, the rest will scream and rant and swear to boycott a place they'll never visit anyway. It's another example of the singular decision-making going awry and nobody even getting a jotter out to scribble down some ideas of what to do next. I suspect we're going to see a whole lot more of it.

ACitizenErased

RTE are running a story about the suspected cases in hospital. People who are in hospital for completely different matters and have been tested. Christ almighty.

Speak Now

ACitizenErased wrote: »

RTE are running a story about the suspected cases in hospital. People who are in hospital for completely different matters and have been tested. Christ almighty.

133 confirmed cases in 7 days, the woman beside me in work thinks the country is riddled with it now. No calming her down this morning.

D.Q

Can't wait til this is all over and these threads are carved on stone tablets in the national history museum.

Santy2015

ACitizenErased wrote: »

RTE are running a story about the suspected cases in hospital. People who are in hospital for completely different matters and have been tested. Christ almighty.

I know someone who has been in hospital 3 times in the past 6 weeks with a different issue and has been tested on each occasion all negative of course. There’s no end to the scaremongering by any of the media. I’ve seen zero positive news come from any outlet. Sky news ran with the good news from the oxford vaccine today but not a single mention on any irish news site.

little bess

Speak Now wrote: »

133 confirmed cases in 7 days, the woman beside me in work thinks the country is riddled with it now. No calming her down this morning.

Reminds me of early on in the thread there was a poster who said there were two women in his work place who had panic attacks and they had to call an ambulance for one of them. 😮

is_that_so

Santy2015 wrote: »

I know someone who has been in hospital 3 times in the past 6 weeks with a different issue and has been tested on each occasion all negative of course. There’s no end to the scaremongering by any of the media. I’ve seen zero positive news come from any outlet. Sky news ran with the good news from the oxford vaccine today but not a single mention on any irish news site.

Isn't it really just more evidence of normal hospital activity? (Acting) CMO just lists the number without any fuss.

lukas8888

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Two self obsessed idiots. A huge loss to any government.

Theyd lose far more people if they pandered to the idiots.

I would make a distinction between the two,the publicans livelihood and that of his employees are at risk as for the other guy enough said.

is_that_so

little bess wrote: »

Reminds me of early on in the thread there was a poster who said there were two women in his work place who had panic attacks and they had to call an ambulance for one of them. ��

A workplace I was in and out of, had two "high risk" employees who were out the door home on Mar 1. One did have asthma, mild though and the other lady was in the middle of tests.

JP Liz V1

I don't blame Eamon Ryan falling asleep in the Dail today

Santy2015

is_that_so wrote: »

Isn't it really just more evidence of normal hospital activity? (Acting) CMO just lists the number without any fuss.

It is but the media run with it as if all these people have Covid

fritzelly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I don't blame Eamon Ryan falling asleep in the Dail today

He wasn't the only one - Mattie McGrath

TheChizler

Santy2015 wrote: »

ISky news ran with the good news from the oxford vaccine today but not a single mention on any irish news site.

It was one of the main stories yesterday

ShineOn7

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The arsehole in question...
https://twitter.com/somm_philip/status/1283807002376974336

He deleted the Tweet since

AlmightyCushion

Santy2015 wrote: »

I know someone who has been in hospital 3 times in the past 6 weeks with a different issue and has been tested on each occasion all negative of course. There’s no end to the scaremongering by any of the media. I’ve seen zero positive news come from any outlet. Sky news ran with the good news from the oxford vaccine today but not a single mention on any irish news site.

Both the Irish Times and RTE covered it. People keep spouting this horse shít about Irish press ignoring stories or burying them. They keep doing it no matter how many times they get called on their bullshít and shown they are wrong.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/moderna-vaccine-produces-covid-antibodies-in-early-trial-1.4305004

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0715/1153367-world-covid19-coronavirus/

Funsterdelux

D.Q wrote: »

Can't wait til this is all over and these threads are carved on stone tablets in the national history museum.

You'd want to start chipping away there if you'd like to see the first thread completed!

:eek:

owlbethere

I was busy all day. What is the good news about the Oxford Vaccine?

I had so much faith in the Oxford Vaccine. I was here on boards willing people to stay on course with the guidelines and I had so much hope for the vaccine for winter time.

Fingers crossed 🤞

ACitizenErased

House party cluster in Co. Derry. Mobile testing unit set up in the town to prevent spread.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/0716/1153799-derry-covid-cluster/

ShineOn7

Briefings summary by Laura on Reddit Ireland



New Cases: 21
Denotified: 6
Total Cases: 25,698
New Death: 1
Denotified: N/A
Total Deaths: 1,749


Over the past 14 days

• Cases notified: 239
• Cases occuring during this time: 186
• Median age: 33
• Males: 71
• Females: 113
• Underlying conditions: 41
• Healthcare workers: 67
• Cases in Dublin: 96
• Cases in Kildare: 19
• Cases in Cork 11
• Remaining 60 spread across: 15 other counties

Hospital

• Confirmed cases in hospital: 11
• Of these, in ICU: 8

Residential Settings (Includes nursing homes)

• Clusters: 468
• Total Cases: 7455
• Total Deaths: 1107

Nursing Homes

• Clusters: 266
• Total Cases: 5864
• Total Deaths: 985

Modelling Data

• Average cases per day at the start of June: 9
• Average cases per day now: 19
• All other indicators of sever disease (Hospitalisations, ICU, deaths) remain very low and stable

• Concerning increase in number of cases, and those not presenting yet as sever cases
• Over 7,000 tests per day - lots of targeted contacts of healthcare workers and close contacts
• Central issue is that case numbers are increase
• 5 day average over entire pandemic, with two measures of incidence - date swab taken, date result confirmed. Until June 9-10. Since late June the average is around 20
• Looking at 14 day cumulative day incidence - at peak we were at a little over 200/100,000. End of June it was very low, but is beginning to rise again
• Mix of cases is important to know - 40% are sporadic, isolated occurring in households/extended families

• Seeing an increasing number of clusters in the past few weeks
• Level of detection in healthcare workers has remained constant
• Very few cases in residential care facilities
• About 60% of cases are identifiable as a close contact of a confirmed case
• 20% in hospital/healthcare settings
• Fewer than 10% are imported cases
• 1/5 cases are imported - either someone with the virus enters the country, or infects someone else in the country.

• Our model we know is an overestimate, which gives us a little over 2
• The Imperial Model is based on deaths, and so is an underestimate
• Best estimate is that it is above 1 - we are confident in this.
• Best estimate this week is 1.4. Could be as high as 1.8
• Last week it was 1.2

• Showed a number of graphs showing what would happen if R number increased - couldn't make it out
• The model predicts for an R = 1.2 we would be seeing 13 cases
• For R=1.8 we would be seeing 30 cases today

caveat emptor

Santy2015 wrote: »

I know someone who has been in hospital 3 times in the past 6 weeks with a different issue and has been tested on each occasion all negative of course. There’s no end to the scaremongering by any of the media. I’ve seen zero positive news come from any outlet. Sky news ran with the good news from the oxford vaccine today but not a single mention on any irish news site.

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

House party cluster in Co. Derry. Mobile testing unit set up in the town to prevent spread.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/0716/1153799-derry-covid-cluster/

I guess it's positive that these cases are being caught and tested. Obviously prevention is best cure but good that here and in NI, authorities quick to react.

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Briefings summary by Laura on Reddit Ireland



New Cases: 21
Denotified: 6
Total Cases: 25,698
New Death: 1
Denotified: N/A
Total Deaths: 1,749


Over the past 14 days

• Cases notified: 239
• Cases occuring during this time: 186
• Median age: 33
• Males: 71
• Females: 113
• Underlying conditions: 41
• Healthcare workers: 67
• Cases in Dublin: 96
• Cases in Kildare: 19
• Cases in Cork 11
• Remaining 60 spread across: 15 other counties

Hospital

• Confirmed cases in hospital: 11
• Of these, in ICU: 8

Residential Settings (Includes nursing homes)

• Clusters: 468
• Total Cases: 7455
• Total Deaths: 1107

Nursing Homes

• Clusters: 266
• Total Cases: 5864
• Total Deaths: 985

Modelling Data

• Average cases per day at the start of June: 9
• Average cases per day now: 19
• All other indicators of sever disease (Hospitalisations, ICU, deaths) remain very low and stable

• Concerning increase in number of cases, and those not presenting yet as sever cases
• Over 7,000 tests per day - lots of targeted contacts of healthcare workers and close contacts
• Central issue is that case numbers are increase
• 5 day average over entire pandemic, with two measures of incidence - date swab taken, date result confirmed. Until June 9-10. Since late June the average is around 20
• Looking at 14 day cumulative day incidence - at peak we were at a little over 200/100,000. End of June it was very low, but is beginning to rise again
• Mix of cases is important to know - 40% are sporadic, isolated occurring in households/extended families

• Seeing an increasing number of clusters in the past few weeks
• Level of detection in healthcare workers has remained constant
• Very few cases in residential care facilities
• About 60% of cases are identifiable as a close contact of a confirmed case
• 20% in hospital/healthcare settings
• Fewer than 10% are imported cases
• 1/5 cases are imported - either someone with the virus enters the country, or infects someone else in the country.

• Our model we know is an overestimate, which gives us a little over 2
• The Imperial Model is based on deaths, and so is an underestimate
• Best estimate is that it is above 1 - we are confident in this.
• Best estimate this week is 1.4. Could be as high as 1.8
• Last week it was 1.2

• Showed a number of graphs showing what would happen if R number increased - couldn't make it out
• The model predicts for an R = 1.2 we would be seeing 13 cases
• For R=1.8 we would be seeing 30 cases today

Got attacked by Laura awhile ago for stating that the Sligo cluster affected the r-number

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Got attacked by Laura awhile ago for stating that the Sligo cluster affected the r-number

Yeah as great as her note taking is of the briefings, she comes across far too blunt in her replies many times

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yeah as great as her note taking is of the briefings, she comes across far too blunt in her replies many times

I post the county data on those threads daily idk if you saw but far too many times people have no clue what the numbers mean

Ficheall

ShineOn7 wrote: »

• Fewer than 10% are imported cases
• 1/5 cases are imported - either someone with the virus enters the country, or infects someone else in the country.

Is one of these overall and one over a more recent timeframe, or what's going on?

Santy2015

owlbethere wrote: »

I was busy all day. What is the good news about the Oxford Vaccine?

I had so much faith in the Oxford Vaccine. I was here on boards willing people to stay on course with the guidelines and I had so much hope for the vaccine for winter time.

Fingers crossed 🀞

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-oxford-vaccine-could-provide-double-protection-report-12029406

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I post the county data on those threads daily idk if you saw but far too many times people have no clue what the numbers mean

I have seen them, fair play

I think the average user on Reddit Ireland would be under 30 (generally speaking). Wheras here, on average, a Boardsie in this thread would be over 30 (again, not all, but in general)

So you'll get two very different kind of posters in many Covid threads on Reddit Ireland and Boards

caveat emptor

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I have seen them, fair play

I think the average user on Reddit Ireland would be under 30 (generally speaking). Wheras here, on average, a Boardsie in this thread would be over 30 (again, not all, but in general)

So you'll get two very different kind of posters in many Covid threads on Reddit Ireland and Boards

Fvck me that’s controversial........

Benimar

Ficheall wrote: »

Is one of these overall and one over a more recent timeframe, or what's going on?

10% are people traveling (back) into the country.

20% relates to those people and the ones they infect.