Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Jim_Hodge

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm not taking it personally. And it's reduced swabs taken, not reduced testing.

Sorry, semantics. Sabs are taken when one goes for a test - has a test done.

This is playing with words when the meaning to Joe Public is quite clear.

Good luck.

redmgar

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

There are some posters who only use the thread infrequently and don't immerse themselves in Covid news 24/7.

I just joined boards.ie a few days ago, a long time lurker, and it seems you treat this thread as some sort of personal fiefdom.

Yesterday I made a comment that I wear masks in indoor settings but feel faint and uncomfortable.

You posted a general post to the effect that.. are there posters seriously saying masks are unhelpful, that you had asthma and they didn't annoy you..

I have a respiratory illness and find them really heavy going for long periods of time, especially in my work environment. There's varying degrees of respiratory illness. As individuals we are free to post how masks make us feel etc. At no time did I suggest wearing masks wasn't helpful in the overall prevention of Covid.

It would be helpful if you left your bullying attitude offline. People have varying degrees of knowledge on Covid. Some haven't the time to be online constantly or haven't the desire.

How dare you not fully commit to the thread, coming on here with you amateur opinions and out of date figures? You need to live on boards for your opinion to be of importance.

Jim_Hodge

expectationlost wrote: »

the journos were the ones who brought it up, Glynn actually said the weekend lag relates more to deaths, there might be a people based weekend lag.

They clearly said they expect a rise tomorrow in cases, unfortunately .

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

Just surprised it hasn't happened sooner. Nature of the work means social distancing in practice very difficult.

Likewise, open for what a month and a half or more ? Surprised it took this long

petes

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They clearly said they expect a rise tomorrow in cases, unfortunately .

Well if 20 cases relate to the construction site of course there will be a rise.... that part is explainable though.

Non solum non ambulabit

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Explains the difference in numbers coming from HPSC in the last week and a half so.

Was this said at the press conference? Not watching it this evening myself

Yes. In his opening statement

expectationlost

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They clearly said they expect a rise tomorrow in cases, unfortunately .

he said that in relation to the townsend cluster

expectationlost

briefing video https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMKgXlWeQOGL

ShyMets

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

I have an issue with some of your posts which I'm replying to here.

So will it be pistols or swords at dawn.

Eod100

I know delaying pubs reopening by at least 3 was viewed as controversial but could it work out in our favour long-term for everyone?

If cases get as low as possible over next few weeks, pubs could be in a better position to reopen and public could be more comfortable and confident to go out socialising.

Think it's better to delay restrictions then do stop, start reopenings which would be bad economically but also public morale and buy-in.

Wild Field 1831

redmgar wrote: »

How dare you not fully commit to the thread, coming on here with you amateur opinions and out of date figures? You need to live on boards for your opinion to be of importance.

Apparently if you want to criticise a post you no longer reply to that post. As this could be construed as personal, to whoever you are replying to.

Liquid Zeb has outlined the correct procedure for me. You start a thread entitled 'I'm criticising posts by (insert username). It's very time efficient for all concerned and the moderators love it

Wild Field 1831

ShyMets wrote: »

So will it be pistols or swords at dawn.

I'll have my seconds at the ready with disinfectant..

Alf Veedersane

polesheep wrote: »

But the healthcare workers being tested seem to be nursing and care home workers. There is no such testing going on with hospital staff unless they show symptoms.

I'm not sure what your point is. I was just saying it was taking a toll on the hospital staff on the wards with covid patients day in and day out. Nothing to do with testing.

polesheep

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is. I was just saying it was taking a toll on the hospital staff on the wards with covid patients day in and day out. Nothing to do with testing.

The hospitals are almost empty of Covid patients.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I see that:

Dr Glynn added: "We are now seeing outbreaks of the virus in a range of work settings, including in construction, in fast food outlets and in supermarkets. I would remind all employers that the workplace and most particularly, shops, services and supermarkets, are the new front line, we are asking you to do everything you can to put the safety of your staff and customers first. With the increase in outbreaks in our communities, I would urge everyone to wear face coverings in healthcare settings and when shopping, including in the supermarket and other indoor retail services."

In case we didn't catch it the first or second time, his use of the word supermarket for the third time suggests that it appears to be spreading now in supermarkets more than it used to in the last few months? What's going on here - were there supermarket clusters in last few days?

polesheep wrote: »

It's classic PR. People have been saying that the supermarkets have been safe, so why wear masks in the supermarket. So push the supermarket angle.

Agreed.
But we've heard about construction cases, where have fast food and supermarkets been recently reported in this "increase in outbreaks in our communities"?

And when cases are so low, what do they really mean by "increase in outbreaks in our communities" - the language suggests we have a new increasing problem on our hands?

Alf Veedersane

polesheep wrote: »

The hospitals are almost empty of Covid patients.

It wasn't shown live.

Or do you just not think that it could take a toll on them?

I'm not sure of your point...I said the hospital stay seemed to be affected by it. Mental health professionals said they would need support in the coming weeks and months. That's what I was referring to.

Not about tests or whether hospitals were full right now.

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Glynn seems confident about the Oxford vaccine

ACE I find your posts very helpful, keep it up please

redmgar

I had thought outdoor transmission was rare, 20 cases from the same outbreak seem a lot.

Wild Field 1831

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

ACE I find your posts very helpful, keep it up please

No need to thank me for teaching you the difference between 'Epic Centre' and 'epicentre'.

Ireland's Epic Centre being of course.....Athlone

is_that_so

redmgar wrote: »

I had thought outdoor transmission was rare, 20 cases from the same outbreak seem a lot.

It's more likely to have originally come from living arrangements and socialising.

Plumbthedepths

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Do they really need to meet up drunk in large groups, 5 or 6 in an open space like a park, distancing, everyone has a responsibility to act accordingly, to stay safe

Parks aren't much fun in the rain I should imagine.
Young people have had to put their lives pretty much on hold since March. I'm surprised compliance lasted as long as it has.
The youth don't see this as a young person's illness and despite the fact they can get infected it holds very little danger % wise.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Can you elaborate on your thoughts as to why this pub owner (IF he adopted SAME social distancing as pubs with food), or any other pub owner, would be a greater risk to public health though?

On the holidays, if you travel to a green zone, is there any much increased risk to travelling down the country for a break?

If you were traveling through a major international airport there would be increased risk

Icantthinkof1

Are those 20 people from the construction cluster all people who were working on site or are they family members/ close contacts of confirmed cases in the construction cluster, would that information be given out?
Regardless I hope they all (as well as everyone else diagnosed with Covid) make a good recovery
With the fast food restaurants is it the employees who are being infected or the customers via food/ contact with staff

JP Liz V1

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

No need to thank me for teaching you the difference between 'Epic Centre' and 'epicentre'.

Ireland's Epic Centre being of course.....Athlone

Virtual Epic Hugs to You

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Weekend lag. Tuesday is always the main day.

I know it's rumour mill, but we also know that the number of people who decline a test is depressingly large.

I'm not advocating mandatory testing of contacts, but there has to be some form of incentive for this, some way that not getting tested is more hassle than just going.

40% drop on last Monday’s “weekend lag”

gipi

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Analysis of cases as of midnight Saturday 18th July - 25,760 cases (+9)

Healthcare Workers +4
Clusters No Change
Cases associated with clusters +1

Age Range Affected
0-4 No Change
5-14 No Change
15-24 +1
25-34 +2
35-44 +4
45-54 No Change
55-64 +1
65-74 No Change
75-84 +1
85+ No Change

Cases by County
Dublin +6
Galway +1
Kildare +2

Was there a denotification? 10 cases were announced for this day, just 9 in the breakdown?

Wild Field 1831

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Virtual Epic Hugs to You

You too Liz. Joking aside I hope you and yours are well.

It's been a tough few months and nobody knows what anyone here is going through behind our online facade.

lawrencesummers

petes wrote: »

Well if 20 cases relate to the construction site of course there will be a rise.... that part is explainable though.

I read those reports, the lack of a concrete explanation of where the initial builder got infected is a big omission from the reports.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I see that:

Dr Glynn added: "We are now seeing outbreaks of the virus in a range of work settings, including in construction, in fast food outlets and in supermarkets. I would remind all employers that the workplace and most particularly, shops, services and supermarkets, are the new front line, we are asking you to do everything you can to put the safety of your staff and customers first. With the increase in outbreaks in our communities, I would urge everyone to wear face coverings in healthcare settings and when shopping, including in the supermarket and other indoor retail services."

In case we didn't catch it the first or second time, his use of the word supermarket for the third time suggests that it appears to be spreading now in supermarkets more than it used to in the last few months? What's going on here - were there supermarket clusters in last few days?

It’s probably 1 supermarket and was probably inevitable there would be a cluster in a supermarket at some stage. What’s the odds it may have been a group of workers that socialised together?

Turtwig

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I read those reports, the lack of a concrete explanation of where the initial builder got infected is a big omission from the reports.

I see what you did there.

LiquidZeb

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I know you're taking the piss but where did the whole x day is usually a slow day come from? Is it something the lads here dreamt up collectively?

Lots of countries do have a Sunday - Monday lag. Never been the case here though. Does not stop some having seen it in a worldometers chart at some point assuming it to be the case though

KrustyUCC

KrustyUCC wrote: »

She conveniently skipped that part

I'm beginning to think they stored the cases to stop the pubs opening

59 cases or 22% is a hell of a descreptancy

How many cane from the Mater lag? 59 is minuscule in comparison

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They clearly said they expect a rise tomorrow in cases, unfortunately .

Well the likely know the daily data to 5pm. it’s also not a surprise given a 7 day average of 20, but only 6 cases today meaning on the balance of probabilities tomorrow would be higher. Unless it’s up towards 50 it’s meaningless though as 3 day average would still be around 20 given the past 2 days

JP Liz V1

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

You too Liz. Joking aside I hope you and yours are well.

It's been a tough few months and nobody knows what anyone here is going through behind our online facade.

And you and yours too

I know we vent and argue here but we all want this pandemic over with all healthy alive, everyone take care stay safe

JP Liz V1

Turtwig wrote: »

I see what you did there.

I consaw that too I'll get my coat

In other news, saw a good increase in mask wearing today, I wore a reuseable cloth one and still walked into a window over steamed up prescription sunglasses

redmgar

redmgar wrote: »

I had thought outdoor transmission was rare, 20 cases from the same outbreak seem a lot.

Not all construction is outdoor. Fit outs of a building would be mainly indoor and probably has the most likelihood of multiple tradespeople from different trades working in close quarters. It must also be said it is not a given that all or even any of these transmissions occurred on that site. Maybe people live together, travel together, socialise together, with the possibility that only 1 or 2 work based transmissions spread it from one work/social group to another

Away With The Fairies

If they have to go back to phase 2, what will close and what remains open?

I need to plan and get things done.

Turtwig

Turtwig wrote: »

I see what you did there.

I’d say everyone else on that site is bricking it now

bodhrandude

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Agreed.
But we've heard about construction cases, where have fast food and supermarkets been recently reported in this "increase in outbreaks in our communities"?

And when cases are so low, what do they really mean by "increase in outbreaks in our communities" - the language suggests we have a new increasing problem on our hands?

These could be connected, perhaps the construction workers bought their sandwiches in the supermarket or fast food place.

MickeyLeari

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I consaw that too I'll get my coat

In other news, saw a good increase in mask wearing today, I wore a reuseable cloth one and still walked into a window over steamed up prescription sunglasses

They have ones with a metal bit at the nose which can help. Etsy and Irish made.

is_that_so

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If they have to go back to phase 2, what will close and what remains open?

I need to plan and get things done.

This is what happened in phase 3 so some or all of that would be reversed.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/d06271-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-29-june-phase-3/

iamwhoiam

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I consaw that too I'll get my coat

In other news, saw a good increase in mask wearing today, I wore a reuseable cloth one and still walked into a window over steamed up prescription sunglasses

Fold a tissue in three and put it over the bridge of your nose , then position the mask over it . It stops the glasses fogging up

lawrencesummers

[HTML][/HTML]

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d say everyone else on that site is bricking it now

Planking more like

ACitizenErased

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

ACE I find your posts very helpful, keep it up please

Us Cork people stick together

ACitizenErased

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And you and yours too

I know we vent and argue here but we all want this pandemic over with all healthy alive, everyone take care stay safe

We’re having a big party anyway when this is over, everyone’s invited so I better wear body armour

timsey tiger

polesheep wrote: »

It's classic PR. People have been saying that the supermarkets have been safe, so why wear masks in the supermarket. So push the supermarket angle.

Or, maybe they are just doing their job as best they can honestly reporting the facts as they find them.

caveat emptor

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And you and yours too

I know we vent and argue here but we all want this pandemic over with all healthy alive, everyone take care stay safe

Second that fam

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We’re having a big party anyway when this is over, everyone’s invited so I better wear body armour

Karaoke

Neamhshuntasach

timsey tiger wrote: »

Or, maybe they are just doing their job as best they can honestly reporting the facts as they find them.

The way I'd see it, is that during the stay at home period with the tight restrictions. Most people were only really in their own homes outside of the supermarket. They left their house and went to the shop. And then back. And social distancing was a bit more adhered to with the queues outside.

Now you have people in supermarkets that are back at work, on public transport, in friends houses, in restaurants or pubs, gyms, cinemas, have been out of the country travelling etc to name a few. So there is more of a chance that someone with it could be strolling around a supermarket now despite the lower cases. There are simply more places a person can be now to catch it. Doesn't mean they are more likely to catch it though. Just more potential exposure to it.

amandstu

Apparently today there were 6 new cases and no deaths from Covid in the South.

But they also said there have been 20 new cases from a construction site (now shut temporarily) today.

Are those old cases or what?

How does that match up with only 6 new cases?