Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

NegativeCreep

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You also have to remember that you taking the vaccine protects others too not just yourself. If you are vaccinated you won't pass it on. That is the main reason we all need to vaccinated.

Have to look out for number 1 too though. I will get vaccinated, just not as soon as it’s available. I’ll let others go first.

timmy_mallet

is_that_so wrote: »

If a vaccine stops you getting it, how can you pass on something you don't have?

A virus doesn't die the minute it hits your skin etc.

is_that_so

timmy_mallet wrote: »

A virus doesn't die the minute it hits your skin etc.

Sure, but you also don't know that it can do anything to anyone else.

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Didn't see many masks at all. Only mostly on the oul lads

And we must've been watching a different video if you saw a metre between most! ;-)

You can clearly see a gap between families.
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1285554524296556544?s=21
One metre is more than enough outside, I’m really not sure why people keep making a big deal about this sort of stuff, same with the protests and feck all happened.

mloc123

People standing outside pubs with no masks == bad

People standing on the road shouting and singing because somebody had died == ah sure, didn't we all think he was great... Let them at it.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Twitter, people out celebrating Jack Charlton.

From a COVID point of view, thats not great.
From a human point of view, that’s one hell of a send off!

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can clearly see a gap between families.
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1285554524296556544?s=21
One metre is more than enough outside, I’m really not sure why people keep making a big deal about this sort of stuff, same with the protests and feck all happened.

Ah stop will ya! It’s not one metre there, look at the joe.ie video.
There’s people shouting and singing which spreads COVID more efficiently.
As I said it’s not great from a containing the virus point of view.

polesheep

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah stop will ya! It’s not one metre there, look at the joe.ie video.
There’s people shouting and singing which spreads COVID more efficiently.
As I said it’s not great from a containing the virus point of view.

They're out in the fresh air and sunshine. Some people would only be happy if they were cheering from under the stairs.

seamus

NegativeCreep wrote: »

That’s not true. If I have genital warts and die of a heart attack, it wasn’t the genital warts that killed me.

That's not really the same thing though.

If I get beaten up on the street and on the way to the hospital go into cardiac arrest, then we would say it was the beating that killed me, not the cardiac arrest. Of course it cannot be said for definite that being beaten up caused it. Maybe my heart was already fncked. But the beating would certainly speed it along.

This is functionally the same with covid. We know it's a pretty serious and debilitating illness even when it doesn't kill you. So if someone dies while testing positive for covid, no we cannot say for certain that covid killed them, but we can be reasonably sure that it wasn't just sitting there passively and just happened to be present in their system at the time of death. At the very least it weakened them to the point that their other underlying illnesses overwhelmed their system.

In other words, we can say with reasonable certainty that they wouldn't have died right now, if they didn't have covid. Just like I wouldn't have died in the ambulance if I hadn't been beaten up. Maybe my heart would have given up next week anyway, but that's not really the point.

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah stop will ya! It’s not one metre there, look at the joe.ie video.
There’s people shouting and singing which spreads COVID more efficiently.
As I said it’s not great from a containing the virus point of view.

People will literally find anything to complain about, I see no issue with people being outside

Santy2015

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah stop will ya! It’s not one metre there, look at the joe.ie video.
There’s people shouting and singing which spreads COVID more efficiently.
As I said it’s not great from a containing the virus point of view.

All fecked now anyway after that...........

A legend of man, let them off. No need for doom when a legend of Irish football is laid to rest. Be positive remember those days when the country was hopping!!

tom1ie

polesheep wrote: »

They're out in the fresh air and sunshine. Some people would only be happy if they were cheering from under the stairs.

With no SD and no masks?
You do realise that SD is what’s needed right?

Santy2015

tom1ie wrote: »

With no SD and no masks?
You do realise that SD is what’s needed right?

Have you got good quality curtains?
The amount of twitching must be wearing them down

Renjit

Guys which multivitamins you take? I like the orange effervescent one

But it's only water soluble vitamins. So no D there.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People will literally find anything to complain about, I see no issue with people being outside

There is very little SD and very little mask wearing and your happy with that?
Thought you were reasonable and objective but I was wrong.

tom1ie

Santy2015 wrote: »

Have you got good quality curtains?
The amount of twitching must be wearing them down

Stupid comment.
You must really want another lockdown.

mloc123

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People will literally find anything to complain about, I see no issue with people being outside

What was your view on the dame lane incident?

My issue with this is, you had the likes of RTE and media personalities coming out shaking their heads at the dame lane video... But 100% this will be a light hearted "aren't we a great bunch of lads" on the news later.

It is strange how selective people can be with these situations. Not all crowds are equal I guess.

Renjit

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can clearly see a gap between families.
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1285554524296556544?s=21
One metre is more than enough outside, I’m really not sure why people keep making a big deal about this sort of stuff, same with the protests and feck all happened.

That videographer is the bouncing ball there :pac:

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

There is very little SD and very little mask wearing and your happy with that?
Thought you were reasonable and objective but I was wrong.

No I see zero issue with that just like I saw zero issue with the protests and look what happened with those - absolutely nothing

Santy2015

tom1ie wrote: »

Stupid comment.
You must really want another lockdown.

Na I don’t but I think people need to see stuff like that to be honest. Nothing wrong with a bit of fun, no doubt they’ve all dispersed now anyway.

tom1ie

mloc123 wrote: »

What was your view on the dame lane incident?

My issue with this is, you had the likes of RTE and media personalities coming out shaking their heads at the dame lane video... But 100% this will be a light hearted "aren't we a great bunch of lads" on the news later.

It is strange how selective people can be with these situations. Not all crowds are equal I guess.

Exactly. Certain posters have shown themselves to have double standards in this regard.

is_that_so

tom1ie wrote: »

Stupid comment.
You must really want another lockdown.

Because of a bunch of people standing on a roundabout for a bit on a (rare) sunny July day?

ACitizenErased

mloc123 wrote: »

What was your view on the dame lane incident?

My issue with this is, you had the likes of RTE and media personalities coming out shaking their heads at the dame lane video... But 100% this will be a light hearted "aren't we a great bunch of lads" on the news later.

It is strange how selective people can be with these situations. Not all crowds are equal I guess.

Dame Lane was a public order incident involving drunks, you can’t really compare them to an event marking the death of a man. Have a bit of decency like the man was a legend, he deserves even more than what is happening.

ACitizenErased

is_that_so wrote: »

Because of a bunch of people standing on a roundabout for a bit on a (rare) sunny July day?

People being outside is illegal now apparently

tom1ie

Santy2015 wrote: »

Na I don’t but I think people need to see stuff like that to be honest. Nothing wrong with a bit of fun, no doubt they’ve all dispersed now anyway.

Fun that can lead to spreading of the virus which has knock on effects to society.
Yeah great all laugh.
Jack of course deserves a great send off, but put SD measures and mask wearing in place. That was a crowd spurred on by RTÉ, with guards in attendance!
How the hell do you get anyone to SD or wear masks now, when they look at that!

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People being outside is illegal now apparently

Who said that? You?

ShineOn7

Renjit wrote: »

Guys which multivitamins you take? I like the orange effervescent one

But it's only water soluble vitamins. So no D there.

Take a good multi vitamin like Centrum

Then top it up with extra Vitamin D and C. Different people need/take different levels of both

Don't forget oranges for Vitamin C, try to eat at least one daily

You're supposed to add Zinc too in these Covid times but there's already Zinc in the Centrum and I think the above is more than enough when combined with strong hand hygiene, masks, social distancing and common sense

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

Who said that? You?

You’d wanna take a break or something you’re getting riled up over nothing. Not good for the head.

tom1ie

is_that_so wrote: »

Because of a bunch of people standing on a roundabout for a bit on a (rare) sunny July day?

Could this potentially lead to a cluster?

seamus

Renjit wrote: »

Guys which multivitamins you take? I like the orange effervescent one

But it's only water soluble vitamins. So no D there.

Vit C & Zinc. It's really the only one I'm worried that I don't get enough of from my diet.

Going for the chewable and effervescent ones is a mug's game. They're literally ten times more expensive than just getting the tablets and popping them with a cuppa or a glass of water. A 90 pack from Tesco is €2.50, versus €12.50 for 30 of the fizzy tablets. That means for the amount you spend on Berocca in a month, you can get 15 months worth of reguar tablets.

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

Could this potentially lead to a cluster?

Can you post evidence of clusters linked to outside gatherings in ireland?

mloc123

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dame Lane was a public order incident involving drunks, you can’t really compare them to an event marking the death of a man. Have a bit of decency like the man was a legend, he deserves even more than what is happening.

Ah, you have lost me now. Both situations are the same from a public health point of view... You cannot condemn one and let the other off. IMO.

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People being outside is illegal now apparently

Yeah, some are very disappointed it's not!

timmy_mallet

tom1ie wrote: »

Could this potentially lead to a cluster?

Potentially, yes.

Realistically, no.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You’d wanna take a break or something you’re getting riled up over nothing. Not good for the head.

No I’m fine thanks.
I just find your outlook on this hard to believe to be honest.
Are you going to answer my question now?

ACitizenErased

mloc123 wrote: »

Ah, you have lost me now. Both situations are the same from a public health point of view... You cannot condemn one and let the other off. IMO.

You can’t compare two incidents when one involved alcohol in an enclosed outside space and one involves the death of a man by a roundabout, seriously like

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

No I’m fine thanks.
I just find your outlook on this hard to believe to be honest.
Are you going to answer my question now?

Answer what? You’re mumbling mad

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can you post evidence of clusters linked to outside gatherings in ireland?

In Ireland no because numbers were low, we are seeing higher numbers particularly in Dublin, so there is potential.
You only have to look at Florida or Texas etc to see this.

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

In Ireland no because numbers were low, we are seeing higher numbers particularly in Dublin, so there is potential.
You only have to look at Florida or Texas etc to see this.

Until we see one in Ireland I don’t really care about orange-man land to be honest

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Answer what? You’re mumbling mad

No need for personal attacks. I asked you who said outside gathering were illegal.
The only person I’ve seen mention it is you.
Would you like to answer now?

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Until we see one in Ireland I don’t really care about orange-man land to be honest

Jesus.
You really need a break from this thread. Your burnt out at this stage.

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

No need for personal attacks. I asked you who said outside gathering were illegal.
The only person I’ve seen mention it is you.
Would you like to answer now?

You’re throwing a hissy over people gathering at a roundabout, is it illegal?

schmoo2k

is_that_so wrote: »

The doctor who isn't a doctor!

This chap: https://www.immunology.org/careers/career-case-studies/prof-john-campbell-phd ?

polesheep

tom1ie wrote: »

In Ireland no because numbers were low, we are seeing higher numbers particularly in Dublin, so there is potential.
You only have to look at Florida or Texas etc to see this.

You'll just have to accept that other people are not as frightened as you are and are prepared to take reasonable risks in order to get on with their lives.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can’t compare two incidents when one involved alcohol in an enclosed outside space and one involves the death of a man by a roundabout, seriously like

You do realise both examples you have mentioned raise the risk of spreading potential.
Has your account been hacked by any chance

tom1ie

polesheep wrote: »

You'll just have to accept that other people are not as frightened as you are and are prepared to take reasonable risks in order to get on with their lives.

Lol! No ones frightened I’m pointing out the obvious risk here.

polesheep

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You’re throwing a hissy over people gathering at a roundabout, is it illegal?

Ignore him, it seems like he's trying to draw you out for a banning.

ACitizenErased

polesheep wrote: »

Ignore him, it seems like he's trying to draw you out for a banning.

Thank god for the ignore button, I’m not going to lose my head over people gathering to celebrate a persons life at a roundabout.

polesheep

tom1ie wrote: »

Lol! No ones frightened I’m pointing out the obvious risk here.

There is no obvious risk.

mloc123

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can’t compare two incidents when one involved alcohol in an enclosed outside space and one involves the death of a man by a roundabout, seriously like

Both incidents have a couple of hundred people closely standing together outside.

I hate people using phrases like "the virus does not discriminate". But... I didn't realise transmission is not possible when it is a crowd for somebodies death. They shouldn't have bothered banning gatherings at graveyards.