Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

ACitizenErased

polesheep wrote: »

Ignore him, it seems like he's trying to draw you out for a banning.

Thank god for the ignore button, I’m not going to lose my head over people gathering to celebrate a persons life at a roundabout.

polesheep

tom1ie wrote: »

Lol! No ones frightened I’m pointing out the obvious risk here.

There is no obvious risk.

mloc123

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can’t compare two incidents when one involved alcohol in an enclosed outside space and one involves the death of a man by a roundabout, seriously like

Both incidents have a couple of hundred people closely standing together outside.

I hate people using phrases like "the virus does not discriminate". But... I didn't realise transmission is not possible when it is a crowd for somebodies death. They shouldn't have bothered banning gatherings at graveyards.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You’re throwing a hissy over people gathering at a roundabout, is it illegal?

Again I didn’t say anything about something being illegal. That was you twice now.
And it was a non SD crowd with little to no mask wearing at a roundabout just to correct you.

An Ciarraioch

If anything, there is less risk of contracting Covid in an outdoor setting, provided of course that social distancing is maintained - the major risk factors involve spending extended periods in confined areas, and contact with a potentially infected person lasting longer than 15 minutes.

polesheep

mloc123 wrote: »

Both incidents have a couple of hundred people closely standing together outside.

I hate people using phrases like "the virus does not discriminate". But... I didn't realise transmission is not possible when it is a crowd for somebodies death. They shouldn't have bothered banning gatherings at graveyards.

No, they shouldn't have, but they didn't have a good handle on the risks at the time.

ACitizenErased

mloc123 wrote: »

Both incidents have a couple of hundred people closely standing together outside.

I hate people using phrases like "the virus does not discriminate". But... I didn't realise transmission is not possible when it is a crowd for somebodies death. They shouldn't have bothered banning gatherings at graveyards.

Until I see evidence of an outdoor cluster in Ireland I have no issue with it.

tom1ie

polesheep wrote: »

There is no obvious risk.

Well there isn’t if you SD and wear a mask but the majority didn’t so there is a risk, which has been well publicised since March by......most people with a brain.

polesheep

tom1ie wrote: »

Well there isn’t if you SD and wear a mask but the majority didn’t so there is a risk, which has been well publicised since March by......most people with a brain.

A mask is not required in an outdoor setting and as far as I could see people were generally social distancing.

fritzelly

When's the green list due to be released?

fritzelly

fritzelly wrote: »

When's the green list due to be released?

Summer 2021

Santy2015

fritzelly wrote: »

When's the green list due to be released?

Supposed to be this evening. For what it’s worth at this stage.

mloc123

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Until I see evidence of an outdoor cluster in Ireland I have no issue with it.

I have no major issue with it, my point is... You cannot say one gathering is wrong while another is okay because of X reason.

That is my only point here. Either all outdoor crowds are to be condemned, or none are. It seems like there are easy targets and others we are not allowed complain about.

BLM protest - grand, sure aren't they just protesting somebodies death.

Dame Lane - bad... Those pesky millennials, hope they are happy when they kill their grandparents.

Charlton send off - grand, sure wasn't he great.

Teenagers hanging around in large groups - bad.. have they no cop on.

tom1ie

polesheep wrote: »

A mask is not required in an outdoor setting and as far as I could see people were generally social distancing.

But they weren’t look at the joe.ie video. Very little SD.
Anyway enjoy this thread, since I’ve last logged on I see the virus of shouting people down and The policy of positivity for everything has finally taken over.
Best of luck all.

polesheep

tom1ie wrote: »

But they weren’t look at the joe.ie video. Very little SD.
Anyway enjoy this thread, since I’ve last logged on I see the virus of shouting people down and The policy of positivity for everything has finally taken over.
Best of luck all.

Cheerio, enjoy the nice weather. I'm off for a walk.

Plumbthedepths

fritzelly wrote: »

When's the green list due to be released?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40019222.html

Micky 32

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40019222.html

I’m surprised Italy maybe on the list.

quokula

mloc123 wrote: »

I have no major issue with it, my point is... You cannot say one gathering is wrong while another is okay because of X reason.

That is my only point here. Either all outdoor crowds are to be condemned, or none are. It seems like there are easy targets and others we are not allowed complain about.

BLM protest - grand, sure aren't they just protesting somebodies death.

Dame Lane - bad... Those pesky millennials, hope they are happy when they kill their grandparents.

Charlton send off - grand, sure wasn't he great.

Teenagers hanging around in large groups - bad.. have they no cop on.

A group of one or two hundred people gathering out of millions in the country at our current rate of infection, is statistically highly unlikely to affect anyone. So when there is one specific unusual event like a protest or some localised memorial that is not repeated, it's unlikely to have an impact on the numbers. We've seen that borne out, the BLM protests had basically no impact (it also helps that there was a pretty high level of mask wearing in their case)

Groups outside pubs or teenagers hanging out in large groups are more indicative of a problem because it's unlikely to be just one pub or just one group of teenagers in the whole country - if that behaviour is normalised then suddenly you have tens or hundreds of thousands of people not social distancing around the country and that starts to become a real problem statistically.

mloc123

quokula wrote: »

A group of one or two hundred people gathering out of millions in the country at our current rate of infection, is statistically highly unlikely to affect anyone. So when there is one specific unusual event like a protest or some localised memorial that is not repeated, it's unlikely to have an impact on the numbers. We've seen that borne out, the BLM protests had basically no impact (it also helps that there was a pretty high level of mask wearing in their case)

Groups outside pubs or teenagers hanging out in large groups are more indicative of a problem because it's unlikely to be just one pub or just one group of teenagers in the whole country - if that behaviour is normalised then suddenly you have tens or hundreds of thousands of people not social distancing around the country and that starts to become a real problem statistically.

People will jump through serious hoops to defend the gatherings they like versus the ones they don't...

ShineOn7

fritzelly wrote: »

When's the green list due to be released?

What does it matter? It's pointless

If they're not going to follow up on people quarantining then why are they even posting a "green" list?

It's all window dressing

podgeandrodge

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah stop will ya! It’s not one metre there, look at the joe.ie video.
There’s people shouting and singing which spreads COVID more efficiently.
As I said it’s not great from a containing the virus point of view.

Yes, but for the last few months there have been gatherings outside of various sorts, with probably less than 1m in most cases, and plenty of shouting and singing. And despite the virus' point of view, it hasn't materialised into any significant quantities of cases.

Hence majority view that outside is broadly very low risk, and inside in confined spaces for periods of time the bigger risk. Except for pubs, they have been scientifically proven not to spread the virus so I am happy going there as often as I can.

Clonmel1000

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What does it matter? It's pointless

If they're not going to follow up on people quarantining then why are they even posting a "green" list?

It's all window dressing

Or if we’re not allowed travel to countries with a lower rate than us without this quarantine rubbish then why are they even posting a “green” list. Paddy knows best I guess. Europe getting on with things whilst we are stuck in the dark again. We e replaced the church with NPHET and the mad scientist.

Santy2015

Dashboard saying only 7 people in ICU. That’s great news

Santy2015

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40019222.html

Good ole Gerry raising his head above water again!

s1ippy

Varadkar is now saying that the green list shouldn't be published and it's wrong to send mixed messages. His party were the ones that put the wheels in motion for it in the first place. He seems determined to stir sh!t and cause havok, he's an absolute gowl.

is_that_so

Santy2015 wrote: »

Good ole Gerry raising his head above water again!

That's restrained for him, "understanding the frustration"! He'd still have us at Phase 1 in pursuit of Zero COVID!

is_that_so

s1ippy wrote: »

Varadkar is now saying that the green list shouldn't be published and it's wrong to send mixed messages. His party were the ones that put the wheels in motion for it in the first place. He seems determined to stir sh!t and cause havok, he's an absolute gowl.

Nah, that's just Leo wondering aloud. I think the government want it to happen but there will be robust discussion about it!

AdamD

s1ippy wrote: »

Varadkar is now saying that the green list shouldn't be published and it's wrong to send mixed messages. His party were the ones that put the wheels in motion for it in the first place. He seems determined to stir sh!t and cause havok, he's an absolute gowl.

Or, the green list makes utterly no sense when you have the government telling people not to travel. Either its acceptable to go to these places or it isn't. A green list right now, with the government's current stance on travel is contradictory.

Boggles

is_that_so wrote: »

Nah, that's just Leo wondering aloud. I think the government want it to happen but there will be robust discussion about it!

Like fúck it is.

That is Leo hedging his bets, because if it goes títs up he can pull out that quote.

s1ippy

I 100% agree that it shouldn't be published and is totally contradictory. My problem is Varadkar interjecting like a swot as if he has all the answers. It won't be published, in all likelihood, which will lead to more hatred of FF and he's making sure he's on the right side of the fence. I actually hate him profusely though so I'm biased.

stephenjmcd

Its more like Leo calling out FF
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1285572194337161216?s=19

ZX7R

s1ippy wrote: »

Varadkar is now saying that the green list shouldn't be published and it's wrong to send mixed messages. His party were the ones that put the wheels in motion for it in the first place. He seems determined to stir sh!t and cause havok, he's an absolute gowl.

What he said was what's the point of a green list
if it's for essential travel only.
He clearly stated that he wants the green list but for all travelers.
Tipically the media taking what he said out of context

is_that_so

Boggles wrote: »

Like fúck it is.

That is Leo hedging his bets, because if it goes títs up he can pull out that quote.

Well, it's one of those notions that people would be happy not to see happen. It's not going to cause as much grief as the missing school plan.

Me_Grapes

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Disgraceful scenes in Walkinstown.

This is why the Irish people can't be trusted

I've seen a good few people now call what happened in Walkinstown 'disgraceful' or words to that extent.

This has got me thinking....... When will it be okay in certain peoples eyes to gather in ways like we saw in Walkinstown?

When (if) we get a vaccine? Maybe that would satisfy the majority of the people who are wary (and I'm not denying for one second that we all should be wary) but I would still say there would be cohort of people who would be disgusted by scenes like today in Walkinstown for a very very long time into the future regardless. This virus has scarred the psyche of society. IMHO there is a section of people who will never be comfortable in a large group setting.

I find this very depressing.

castletownman

They should only have less-desirable countries on the green list. Like Yemen, DRC, North Korea and Afghanistan.

I would hope that would stave off people from travelling, but I wouldn't underestimate the lunacy of some to still want to travel.

"Do ya see this Jacinta? Flights and seven nights inclusive in Pyongyang. Deadly deal that is".

Atlantic Dawn

Santy2015 wrote: »

Dashboard saying only 7 people in ICU. That’s great news

Probably time me to limit Covid treatment to a small number of hospitals to allow routine healthcare services to return to normal levels.

schmoo2k

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What does it matter? It's pointless

If they're not going to follow up on people quarantining then why are they even posting a "green" list?

It's all window dressing

I wouldn't assume that everyone won't self isolate - if I have employees going on vacation, they won't be coming back into the office if their destination is not green...

thelad95

Knowing Jack Charlton, he certainly wouldn't have been happy with the scenes today.

**** me, people can't even go to immediate families funerals because of government guidelines, yet we can have a massive piss up gathering for someone they've never even met. Pathetic. Idiotic. As I said, Jack Charlton certainly would not have been happy.

ACitizenErased

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 6640
Tests conducted last 7 days: 51128
Positive tests last 24hrs: 14
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its more like Leo calling out FF
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1285572194337161216?s=19

FF starting to make Leo look like Fintan on the restrictions thread

Santy2015

14 positive tests from 6640 tests done not bad again today 0.3% positivity

Atlantic Dawn

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 6640
Tests conducted last 7 days: 51128
Positive tests last 24hrs: 14
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

Are they still costing the government €200 a test? That's €10million in a week, surely some Irish company can get this gig if it is.

MerlinSouthDub

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 6640
Tests conducted last 7 days: 51128
Positive tests last 24hrs: 14
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

Great numbers. No doubt they still have a few backlog cases to add into the numbers if things are looking too positive.

Santy2015

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 6640
Tests conducted last 7 days: 51128
Positive tests last 24hrs: 14
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

Probably 20+ cases today..

PopTarts

Should the 20+ cases from the construction site not be out in todays figures?

ACitizenErased

Santy2015 wrote: »

Probably 20+ cases today..

There was 44 positive tests saturday and sunday despite only 16 reported so i wouldnt be surprised

ACitizenErased

PopTarts wrote: »

Should the 20+ cases from the construction site not be out in todays figures?

They were included Friday Dublin was +25

fly_agaric

Me_Grapes wrote: »

This has got me thinking....... When will it be okay in certain peoples eyes to gather in ways like we saw in Walkinstown?

I find this very depressing.

Was a somewhat interesting segment on Drivetime yesterday with an epidemiologist/public health person from NZ (Michael Barker) discussing their actions. As I'm sure has been discussed before many times, they have adopted an "elimination" policy with fairly draconian restrictions on inward travel (forced quarantines).

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21806149

He said that there was some opposition to + anger with the policy in NZ as it has wiped out their tourism/travel industry but they now have Covid-19 eliminated, domestic economy functioning fully again - no ppe, no social distancing requirements on business, all events & gatherings can take place again as before. General conclusion was it has been worth it (for them).

It sounded attractive to me...but I don't either work in travel/tourism [which would effectively be sacrificed], or want to regularly fly abroad for family or work reasons. It did make me wonder will more countries/regions will try and go this route if they have capability & any vaccine or other magic bullet is taking a very long time?

They discussed applicability to Ireland and his conclusion was due to NI it is only workable if ourselves and UK agreed to do it together which even if we were open to it appears politically impossible (given Brexit, ideology of current leadership of the UK).

MerlinSouthDub

I see that the number of community test referrals was tiny yesterday (lower even than the weekend).

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-21-july-2020.pdf

They must have completed the nursing home retesting now, and the actual number of people with symptoms looking for a test is very small.

stargazer 68

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I see that the number of community test referrals was tiny yesterday (lower even than the weekend).

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-21-july-2020.pdf

They must have completed the nursing home retesting now, and the actual number of people with symptoms looking for a test is very small.

They haven't - got our delivery of this weeks swabs yesterday. Being collected on Thursday