Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

cherryghost

Erik Fast Castle wrote: »

Had heard that staff in there and other "non covid" hospitals also aren't wearing masks.

Not sure how true it is though but you'd imagine masks would be required in any healthcare setting.

Even my local gp is kitted up like darth vader these days.

It's true, minority of staff not wearing masks, masks are enforced on patients though. The hospital has not been busy for months (shes due next month), today was the first time it was truly pre-covid 'busy'.

She complained to management but also hit up the HSE when she got home. I wouldnt be surprised hearing about more hospital clusters if this is the normal practice across the board. She's frustrated and a little afraid of going back now after her experience there, but she has to (and also the bus back was full downstairs).

ldy4mxonucwsq6

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What are the non Covid hospitals?

Hospitals where there are no official covid patients apparently.

Some hospitals like Tallaght, Naas etc have dedicated covid and icu wards specifically for covid patients.

Given asymptomatic cases and the fact that masks are required in shops and on buses you'd think that all hospital staff would be wearing them but I've spoken to a couple of people who have said they aren't. The Coombe and Crumlin were two hospitals that were mentioned but again could be untrue.

ShineOn7

xtal191 wrote: »

Cause of this is my guess

That's an amazing video

• The perm haircuts
  
• The dodgy mustaches
  
• The euphoria of that win
  
• The cars at first beeping people out of the way but then beeping in appreciation of the celebraion

Not sure how I'm only seeing this now


RIP Jack

Lollipop95

Apparently RTE2FM posted a video of crowds out in tribute In Walkinston but it was swiftly deleted due to all the comments about lack of social distancing

Miike

Erik Fast Castle wrote: »

Hospitals where there are no official patients apparently.

Some hospitals like Tallaght, Naas etc have dedicated covid and icu wards specifically for covid patients.

Given asymptomatic cases and the fact that masks are required in shops and on buses you'd think that all hospital staff would be wearing them but I've spoken to a couple of people who have said they aren't. The Coombe and Crumlin were two hospitals that were mentioned but again could be untrue.

There is a HSE guideline on the use of masks for staff but ultimately it comes down to the choice of the staff member - Don't ask my why it isn't an absolute must if providing care within 2 meters of a person or entering 2 meter space of any other person for a period of time. Don't ask my why staff don't want to protect themselves or others.

This paired with structural changes to how the COVID related sick pay scheme has changed for healthcare workers is going to breed clusters in healthcare settings. The changes just encourage staff to ignore any respiratory symptoms and not get tested.

Beasty

As the 19th edition draws to a close, a reminder of the sort of thing we were concerned about 19 weeks ago today:

I dont know if its been mentioned, and tbh im not arsed checking back about 50 pages, The 3rd floor in the Clayton hotel Clonshaugh has been sealed off. Staff were texted this morning.

Staff were told to come in as normal. My sister said its an air hostess that possibly has it.

petes

Beasty wrote: »

As the 19th edition draws to a close, a reminder of the sort of thing we were concerned about 19 weeks ago today:

Can we all give out about air hostesses now?

Sanjuro

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

And yet the rest of the country are being punished for it.

Because nobody from outside Dublin ever enters or leaves Dublin. Unless you want to start treating each county like their own fiefdom, quit your whining. We're in this as a country.

snowgal

Beasty wrote: »

As the 19th edition draws to a close, a reminder of the sort of thing we were concerned about 19 weeks ago today:

So long 19th thread, I’m betting 19 more!

ShineOn7

Miike wrote: »

There is a HSE guideline on the use of masks for staff but ultimately it comes down to the choice of the staff member - Don't ask my why it isn't an absolute must if providing care within 2 meters of a person or entering 2 meter space of any other person for a period of time. Don't ask my why staff don't want to protect themselves or others.

This paired with structural changes to how the COVID related sick pay scheme has changed for healthcare workers is going to breed clusters in healthcare settings. The changes just encourage staff to ignore any respiratory symptoms and not get tested.

This is unbelievable

Like, how and why are we messing up on things like this and tests for known contacts not being compulsory?

We're a soft nation with soft leaders and we have been like this for far too long

bodhrandude

Thanks for all the info forum, look forward to next thread.

Danzy

A man in my local North cork town, about 2k people told me his wife tested positive, had Pneumonia in early March.

That's 4 people i know of locally and you can be certain a lot more had it but never said.

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Miike

Danzy wrote: »

A man in my local North cork town, about 2k people told me his wife tested positive, had Pneumonia in early March.

That's 4 people i know of locally and you can be certain a lot more had it but never said.

I

You can check cases by electoral division using the hub

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

ShineOn7

snowgal wrote: »

So long 19th thread, I’m betting 19 more!

Not a chance we'll get 19 more threads as fast though. Thankfully!


Mind you, this one seemed to fly by faster than thread 18

StevenToast

Thread XXX by the end of october

Geuze

Erik Fast Castle wrote: »

Had heard that staff in there and other "non covid" hospitals also aren't wearing masks.

Not sure how true it is though but you'd imagine masks would be required in any healthcare setting.

I can report that staff in the medical records section (not wards) of a large hosp that I won't name, do not wear masks.

They may wear them when going to wards, yes.

Martina1991

Erik Fast Castle wrote:

Some hospitals like Tallaght, Naas etc have dedicated covid and icu wards specifically for covid patients.

All hospitals have/had this, and are capable of reverting back to dedicated wards if necessary.

ginoginelli

Geuze wrote: »

I can report that staff in the medical records section (not wards) of a large hosp that I won't name, do not wear masks.

They may wear them when going to wards, yes.

And this is why we have the highest case of hcw infected in the world.

There is some truly reckless and inept people making decisions in the hse.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

A man in my local North cork town, about 2k people told me his wife tested positive, had Pneumonia in early March.

That's 4 people i know of locally and you can be certain a lot more had it but never said.

I

My mam had her blood oxygen levels tested last december,seemed there was a spate of cases locally similar low blood oxygen and dry coughs

GooglePlus

Why are we even bragging about 0 deaths, the cases are only being diagnosed now really?

lukas8888

Probably mentioned already,nightly entertainment, Trump relaunching his corona virus briefings from tonight.

quokula

mloc123 wrote: »

People will jump through serious hoops to defend the gatherings they like versus the ones they don't...

And some people don't understand simple numbers and risk management.

An Ciarraioch

GooglePlus wrote: »

Why are we even bragging about 0 deaths, the cases are only being diagnosed now really?

More relief than bragging, I'd have thought - most of the recent cases being under-45s partially explains the better outcomes.

bb1234567

To give a bit of perspective for those saying global covid deaths are overestimated, it seems it's an entirely opposite situation in most other countries . Mexico City had reported around 14,000 excess deaths in the months of April and May(2x times more deaths than usual,similar to New York and Lombardy), its official covid death toll was only 4000 for the city by the end of May .


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexico-city-coronavirus-excess-death-toll/2020/07/02/2baaab3e-bbbb-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html%3foutputType=amp

petes

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My mam had her blood oxygen levels tested last december,seemed there was a spate of cases locally similar low blood oxygen and dry coughs

What's your point? I'm guessing it's that they had covid in December?

If that was the case it would have been known long before the official first case here.

fritzelly

Danzy wrote: »

A man in my local North cork town, about 2k people told me his wife tested positive, had Pneumonia in early March.

That's 4 people i know of locally and you can be certain a lot more had it but never said.

I

Why did 2k people need to tell you?

GooglePlus

I reckon we'll have 100+ cases in a day in about 2-3 weeks.

petes

petes wrote: »

What's your point? I'm guessing it's that they had covid in December?

If that was the case it would have been known long before the official first case here.

Mate,most people in my area was laid low by a horrendous cough/flu and several pneumonias about before xmas......doctor was shooting in dark as several similar cases shown up of low blood oxygen.....noone had even heard of cv19 then



There has been 1 case of cv19 in my parish confirmed since testing began in march

GooglePlus

GooglePlus wrote: »

I reckon we'll have 100+ cases in a day in about 2-3 weeks.

Doubt we will make it to october without shutting down again

GooglePlus

petes wrote: »

What's your point? I'm guessing it's that they had covid in December?

If that was the case it would have been known long before the official first case here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

This might have been disproven since, I haven't looked into it but at the time, how many people were moving through France and into Ireland?

ACitizenErased

GooglePlus wrote: »

I reckon we'll have 100+ cases in a day in about 2-3 weeks.

I reckon we wont even get close to that

ChikiChiki

boggerman1 wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with 500 people standing in the open air and getting a bit of relief to go watch a game of hurling or football.if we get this much awaited 2nd wave and we’re all locked down again the government will have a hard sell next time round.seems you can have countless people indoors in shopping centres and that’s grand but feck it,it’s lethal to be out in the fresh air.

Nevermind the spectators, that's not the issue. A panel of 30 lads training in close enough contact and playing games against another 30 lads is a risk not worth taking. Then you have the cascading effect through the league. And of course all the ladies and juvenile teams training aswell. Was watching underage training the weekend and they could not be kept apart.

Then they are going home to their families 3 times a week and into their workplaces each day, some of them frontline. The risk grows exponentially with each movement.

I cannot see a single county league not suffer disruption due to one player having to self isolate or a family member of a player catching Covid.

The main priority is schools returning so GAA should fall behind that. I've pulled out of club for this year and a close relative who plays intercounty the same. GAA is recreational and therefore should be parked for this year at least.

If the priority is to get schools open, park GAA and contact sports for now. Otherwise we are multiplying the risk is spades.

GooglePlus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I reckon we wont even get close to that

I hope you're right.

Ineedaname

bb1234567 wrote: »

To give a bit of perspective for those saying global covid deaths are overestimated, it seems it's an entirely opposite situation in most other countries . Mexico City had reported over 27,300 excess deaths in the months of April and May, its official covid death toll was only 4000 for the city by the end of May .

If even a fifth of the excess deaths are unreported covid deaths which is probably a very conservative guess it still means less than half of the deaths in Mexico are being officially reported .
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexico-city-coronavirus-excess-death-toll/2020/07/02/2baaab3e-bbbb-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html%3foutputType=amp

That's not right. The 27,300 figure is the total deaths in Mexico City for that period. Only about half of that number was the excess. Still though that's almost 3.5 times the reported figure.

bb1234567

Ineedaname wrote: »

That's not right. The 27,300 figure is the total deaths in Mexico City for that period. Only about half of that number was the excess. Still though that's almost 3.5 times the reported figure.

Oh jeez big error by me, edited my original post now !

Eod100

Guess stories like this will get more common. Hope it's caught early and none of the kids get it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

ACitizenErased

GooglePlus wrote: »

I hope you're right.

There’s nothing to suggest we’ll get close to that, it there was massive growth we would’ve seen it by now

GooglePlus

So is there a weekend lag or not, it was said on here yesterday that there wasn't and if that's the case then these are all new cases found yesterday?

ACitizenErased

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess stories like this will get more common. Hope it's caught early and none of the kids get it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

It seems there’s a lot of clusters popping up in Dublin, not many elsewhere which is interesting

Boggles

lukas8888 wrote: »

Probably mentioned already,nightly entertainment, Trump relaunching his corona virus briefings from tonight.

Yip, he was saying the other day they were great for ratings.

He didn't actually mention the virus.

Apparently he is going to inject toilet duck into Mike Pence tonight live to prove ChyNA! and Joe Biden created the virus to hurt his reelection Bigly!

Danzy

fritzelly wrote: »

Why did 2k people need to tell you?

I'm very cynical and need a lot of convincing.

petes

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mate,most people in my area was laid low by a horrendous cough/flu and several pneumonias about before xmas......doctor was shooting in dark as several similar cases shown up of low blood oxygen.....noone had even heard of cv19 then



There has been 1 case of cv19 in my parish confirmed since testing began in march

Don't believe it for a second.

Arghus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There’s nothing to suggest we’ll get close to that, it there was massive growth we would’ve seen it by now

Just because we haven't seen it by now doesn't mean that it's impossible.

People seem to be very fond of calling things definitively very early in this.

JP Liz V1

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess stories like this will get more common. Hope it's caught early and none of the kids get it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

And MM expects all schools reopen back in September

Boggles

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess stories like this will get more common. Hope it's caught early and none of the kids get it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

Yeah, we were told yesterday that a range of workplaces are seeing new instances, absolutely nothing unusual about it if the virus is increasing in the community, no where is immune.

But sure, they were just trying to scare us to wear masks according to some.

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It seems there’s a lot of clusters popping up in Dublin, not many elsewhere which is interesting

I guess population along would make it more likely and then more construction sites, retailers etc there than other counties. But wouldn't be surprised to see clusters elsewhere over next while.

petes

Arghus wrote: »

Just because we haven't seen it by now doesn't mean that it's impossible.

People seem to be very fond of calling things definitively very early in this.

Poster never mentioned 'definitively' anywhere.

No one said it's impossible.

Stop taking what people post and paraphrasing it in such a way that it suits you.

Danzy

petes wrote: »

Don't believe it for a second.

A lot were, no idea why you find it so hard to believe.

We know the disease was here at least since mid December. In other parts of Europe it may well have been there since November.

We know that it was wide spread in Northern Italy in December.

ChelseaRentBoy

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And MM expects all schools reopen back in September

MM knows that's not happening he just can't say it yet.

I know of two separate health care workers who have sustained medium term lung damage due to Covid19 and one 29 year old woman who now moves like a 40 a day smoker after completing 3 marathons last year post catching the virus in April.

Teachers aren't going to expose themselves to a high risk environment and I don't blame them in the slightest.

An Ciarraioch

GooglePlus wrote: »

So is there a weekend lag or not, it was said on here yesterday that there wasn't and if that's the case then these are all new cases found yesterday?

Townsend Street building site, one presumes.