Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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PowerToWait wrote: »

Give over with ‘the Americans’ shyte ffs.

Some people really love Americans. They'd even defend them coming here during a pandemic. This love for the States is out of control.

Micky 32

PowerToWait wrote: »

Give over with ‘the Americans’ shyte ffs.

If a vaccine comes out ( which is looking more likely with each passing day)and we’re all saved i can’t wait to come back on this thread to see what the new moan will be about.

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Micky 32 wrote: »

If a vaccine comes out ( which is looking more likely with each passing day)and we’re all saved i can’t wait to come back on this thread to see what the new moan will be about.

In that case, I cant wait to unsub from this forum and never read anything about coronavirus ever again.

PowerToWait

hotmail.com wrote: »

Some people really love Americans. They'd even defend them coming here during a pandemic. This love for the States is out of control.

Some people are not xenophobes. There are hardly any Americans entering Ireland at this time but the way your typical knuckle scraper goes on about them you’d think we were inundated.

alentejo

Folks say in Ireland. Simple as!

Regarding the "green" list, we are going to have to live with "Green-Orange-Red" list for some years.

Hopefully next year, all of Europe might be on a green list, so foreign travel within the EU might be possible!

PS, I think the media and political parties have made the most fuss about the "Green List!

KrustyUCC

Northern Ireland green list 58 countries

Ours 15

So much for an all island approach lol

niallo27

PowerToWait wrote: »

The public is very easily confused if that’s the case. People roaring about being treated like children a few weeks ago and now roaring about how confusing the green list is.

The message is clear; don’t travel abroad. The green list is a sop to those who would be crying about living in a dictatorship and the rest.

Leo was on saying going to killarney for a weekend was the same risk as going to any of these countries. If this is true why is the message dont travel abroad.

Away With The Fairies

PowerToWait wrote: »

Give over with ‘the Americans’ shyte ffs.

Well I'm glad you're happy to have them here

Micky 32

niallo27 wrote: »

Leo was on saying going to killarney for a weekend was the same risk as going to any of these countries. If this is true why is the message dont travel abroad.

Maybe because of the high risk countries people may travel to.

is_that_so

PowerToWait wrote: »

Some people are not xenophobes. There are hardly any Americans entering Ireland at this time but the way your typical knuckle scraper goes on about them you’d think we were inundated.

Hmm, people are stupid, roaring, xenophobes and knuckle scrapers. You do have an enlightened view of the plain people of Ireland!

Eod100

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What's the point of a green list, go holidays so that you don't have to isolate when you come home... But then Americans don't have to isolate either.

Coveney said there could be restrictions in months and that the passenger locator form is going online on 10th August. The one they have been promoting going online for weeks now..

https://www.thejournal.ie/plans-for-increased-controls-on-covid-19-hotspots-5156414-Jul2020/

caveat emptor

This covers a lot of the science of how infection can occur and how to mitigate.

is_that_so

caveat emptor wrote: »

This covers a lot of the science of how infection can occur and how to mitigate.

Impressed with the effort involved but that is an exercise in TMI!

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PowerToWait wrote: »

Some people are not xenophobes. There are hardly any Americans entering Ireland at this time but the way your typical knuckle scraper goes on about them you’d think we were inundated.

Love for America is lethal.

Eod100

Think more needs to be done about people not showing up to be tested tbh

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1285869207780040709

KrustyUCC

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Northern Ireland green list 58 countries

Ours 15

So much for an all island approach lol

Its almost as if we don't have control over what happens in another jurisdiction

timsey tiger

caveat emptor wrote: »

This covers a lot of the science of how infection can occur and how to mitigate.

Out to 10 feet that's over 3m. Not sure about the "don't be downwind" bit. If you are up wind then the other person is downwind.

Normally when given a choice I'd go down wind of an older person or mask wearer ( as they clearly are more worried ) and upwind of a younger person.

Most people haven't a clue where the wind is coming from, having to throw grass in air to see, wouldn't be an option each time you pass someone.

peterofthebr

so i think it was about 10 days ago i seen WHO or some CDC statement that they were going to look into fresh reports (findings) that the 2 meters is not enough for social distancing...anybody hear any developments on this?

also WHO were sending people to china..looking for patient zero.. no news on this either

AdamD

10 feet outside? Do they think this stuff is actually practical?

ACitizenErased

Eod100 wrote: »

Think more needs to be done about people not showing up to be tested tbh

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1285869207780040709

It should either be get tested or go into mandatory quarantine if youre a contact tbh, incredibly ****ing selfish, I wouldn’t even hesitate to get tested ffs

timsey tiger

Micky 32 wrote: »

If a vaccine comes out ( which is looking more likely with each passing day)and we’re all saved i can’t wait to come back on this thread to see what the new moan will be about.

I'll save you the bother, it will be antivaxers and those who won't take the vaccine for "reasons", spreading the disease and I can't take a vaccine because of health reasons.

ACitizenErased

Doesn’t seem to be many here with long term effects

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285879021352488960?s=21

timsey tiger

AdamD wrote: »

10 feet outside? Do they think this stuff is actually practical?

It would end up like sailing everybody maneuvering to get upwind before passing.

robfowler78

Joe_ Public wrote: »

It was really just Lombardy and one or two neighbouring regions that bore the brunt, large sections of the country, mostly further south, remained largely untouched. I dont know if they fully understand why, the north is the industry centre so maybe something to do with it. But italy did ok considering they got virtually sucker punched, they have good health service and learned a lot of lessons that others could then take on board.

I think I read somewhere that the Lombardy region and Italy in general have a much higher rate of old people then most if not all of Europe. I think that accounted for upwards if 60% of their total deaths. I could be wrong on this but I'm sure someone else will know for sure.

timsey tiger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Doesn’t seem to be many here with long term effects

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285879021352488960?s=21

That's great, is it 51% or 99.1% with no long term effects though?

Information like this would be useful in assessing whether to take a vaccine or not, for those with sociopathic tendencies. Most hopefully will for the general good of society.

robfowler78

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'll save you the bother, it will be antivaxers and those who won't take the vaccine for "reasons", spreading the disease and I can't take a vaccine because of health reasons.

Infairness I'm not an antivaxer but it's not like there has never been long term issues with some vaccines. I think some people that may have issues in their family with historical vaccines might think a little before been first inlone to get a rushed out vaccine.

caveat emptor

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Doesn’t seem to be many here with long term effects

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285879021352488960?s=21

Yeah right.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285536614069010437?s=20

Just like masks don't work.
Just like it's not airborne.
Just like there is no affect on numbers after weekend.

caveat emptor

timsey tiger wrote: »

That's great, is it 51% or 99.1% with no long term effects though?

Information like this would be useful in assessing whether to take a vaccine or not, for those with sociopathic tendencies. Most hopefully will for the general good of society.

I agree. 2 thirds of nurses who contracted it are still experiencing post viral fatigue.
Considering nursing union asking for health and safety investigations that could lead to liabilities.

HSE are going to downplay anything. got to do with this.

https://twitter.com/NursingTimes/status/1285519614210973696?s=20

KrustyUCC

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its almost as if we don't have control over what happens in another jurisdiction

The government and academics need to stop going on about an all island approach so or we do as Northern Ireland do

It's in their benefit to be open and for us not to be

Micky 32

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'll save you the bother, it will be antivaxers and those who won't take the vaccine for "reasons", spreading the disease and I can't take a vaccine because of health reasons.

I’ll have no problem taking a chance on the vaccine, i’ll be first in queue. This virus has taken all of the things i look forward to including seeing my family in other countries etc.

Yes there will be antivaxxers on these threads, the same ones who’ll want everything shut down for “eva”.

obi604

I had a look around on google etc but could not find the answer

I know face masks are mandatory on buses etc
When do they become mandatory in indoor spaces such as shops? (does some law have to be signed etc)

Having an argument with a friend on the definitive answer

WallyGUFC

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah right.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285536614069010437?s=20

Just like masks don't work.
Just like it's not airborne.
Just like there is no affect on numbers after weekend.

OP said there doesn't seem to be many examples of long-term health effects. You posted an example of 1 person who suffered long term effects, which basically proves the OPs point.

LiquidZeb

Surely if serious and long lasting health issues were common we'd be buggered with the amount of doctors and nurses who contracted it? Not saying it doesn't happen but surely hundreds of health staff would be out of action that there'd be staffing problems?

caveat emptor

WallyGUFC wrote: »

OP said there doesn't seem to be many examples of long-term health effects. You posted an example of 1 person who suffered long term effects, which basically proves the OPs point.

Check my next post. two thirds of nurses who contracted it are still experiencing post viral fatigue.

That's the majority.


HSE being challenged on workplace safety.
A tweet where HSE executive downplays any post viral effect is par for the course.

Rob A. Bank

PowerToWait wrote: »

Some people are not xenophobes. There are hardly any Americans entering Ireland at this time but the way your typical knuckle scraper goes on about them you’d think we were inundated.

According to Mr Coveney last week, there were 250 people arriving from the USA every day... that is a bit more than 'hardly any' IMHO.

And the really dangerous 'knuckle scrapers' wear red MAGA caps and refuse to self isolate for 14 days on arrival here.

Away With The Fairies

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah right.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285536614069010437?s=20

Just like masks don't work.
Just like it's not airborne.
Just like there is no affect on numbers after weekend.

Claire Bryne had it mild and she's still suffering effects after 4 months.

D.Q

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’ll have no problem taking a chance on the vaccine, i’ll be first in queue. This virus has taken all of the things i look forward to including seeing my family in other countries etc.

Yes there will be antivaxxers on these threads, the same ones who’ll want everything shut down for “eva”.

100%. Gimme.

Away With The Fairies

WallyGUFC wrote: »

OP said there doesn't seem to be many examples of long-term health effects. You posted an example of 1 person who suffered long term effects, which basically proves the OPs point.

I think what he meant was they are giving us information very slowly...

Masks don't work ... When they do
It's not airborne... When it's spread by aerosols and is actually airborne

And now here they are giving us more information, saying there's no long term effects... When this will probably change like everything else.

s1ippy

Absolutely bizarre goings on here.

Read an article yesterday about the knock on effects of covid in healthcare workers on RTÉ.

Went looking for it there and it's gone.



They've replaced it with the article about healthcare staff going into work when sick instead.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285879021352488960?s=19

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1285465163307589633?s=19

Here is a similar article from other sources:
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/its-a-long-road-to-recovery-two-thirds-of-nurses-who-recovered-from-covid-19-still-experience-post-viral-fatigue-39384846.html
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/two-thirds-of-nurses-who-contracted-covid-19-still-experiencing-fatigue-21-07-2020/

Seems really shady.

US2

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Claire Bryne had it mild and she's still suffering effects after 4 months.

Given the bias and selective reporting from Rte I wouldn't listen to anything an employee says.

The healthcare workers, are they suffering fatigue due to being overworked as so many have to time off isolating. Has it been proved the virus is causing their fatigue or does proof only matter sometimes ?

Away With The Fairies

peterofthebr wrote: »

so i think it was about 10 days ago i seen WHO or some CDC statement that they were going to look into fresh reports (findings) that the 2 meters is not enough for social distancing...anybody hear any developments on this?

also WHO were sending people to china..looking for patient zero.. no news on this either

2 meters is not enough?

Hasn't that changed to 1 meter?

Rob A. Bank

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

According to Mr Coveney last week, there were 250 people arriving from the USA every day... that is a bit more than 'hardly any' IMHO.

And the really dangerous 'knuckle scrapers' wear red MAGA caps and refuse to self isolate for 14 days on arrival here.

Arriving from...not necessarily tourists or even Americans. Irish people returning home, Americans who live here returning etc. would make up the bulk

iguana

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Doesn’t seem to be many here with long term effects

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285879021352488960?s=21

Long term is relative. When you are told to expect a full recovery after 10-14 days and 2 months on you are still struggling to breathe after putting on a load of washing it feels long term. Especially when you are the among the first to experience the virus. Without a potential end date in sight I suspect it feels longer than it is. I'm nearly out the other end of over 4 months of symptoms following a respiratory virus I contracted mid-March. I still have some inflammation in my chest and mild esophagitis but it doesn't flare up massively on exertion any more so I'm getting back toward my old fitness levels. In hindsight, it doesn't feel like it went on for too long but at the time it felt unending and loaded with uncertainty. I was mentally aware it was almost certainly post-viral and would pass but I didn't always feel that way.

I also feel lucky that all my post-viral symptoms were inflammatory and the worst of it only lasted 3 months. I know there are a lot of reports of people experiencing post-viral fatigue syndrome and that can last for 6-12 months or even turn chronic. On some chat groups I'm on, most people who contracted a similar virus or confirmed Covid in March and had post-viral symptoms have more or less recovered if their main long lasting symptoms were mainly forms of chestwall inflammation. But aren't much better at all if their continuing symptoms were mainly fatigue.

Boggles

US2 wrote: »

Given the bias and selective reporting from Rte I wouldn't listen to anything an employee says.

The healthcare workers, are they suffering fatigue due to being overworked as so many have to time off isolating. Has it been proved the virus is causing their fatigue or does proof only matter sometimes ?

Fatigue is only one symptom.

So you are dismissing 546 people who had the virus and their experience of it.

So what method of proof would you accept, playing rock, paper, scissors with a Labrador?

YellowBucket

US2 wrote: »

Given the bias and selective reporting from Rte I wouldn't listen to anything an employee says.

The healthcare workers, are they suffering fatigue due to being overworked as so many have to time off isolating. Has it been proved the virus is causing their fatigue or does proof only matter sometimes ?

I’m sure of any group of people, professional healthcare workers would be able to identify that they’re suffering from illness induced fatigue rather than just working hard.

I’d tend to listen to the nurses and doctors on this one.

You’re also seeing and hearing exactly the same story from people around the world reporting identical experiences of long recoveries and lasting symptoms.

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Jesus you gotta love this thread

“Doesn’t seem to be long term side effects”
“Claire Byrne still has issues”
“Yeah but that’s just one and it’s RTÉ”
“Well 91% of nurses are still suffering fatigue”
“Yeah but can you prove it’s covid?”

Yet everything on the “all is rosy” side is stuff like “I don’t think we’re having a second wave and if you think you are you’re probably pulling the mickey off yourself”

Micky 32

Boggles wrote: »

Fatigue is only one symptom.

So you are dismissing 546 people who had the virus and their experience of it.

So what method of proof would you accept, playing rock, paper, scissors with a Labrador?

Thankfully on a positive note i know 12 people who have had it including my cousin that has type 1 diabetes.

All have recovered with no after effects whatsoever.

US2

YellowBucket wrote: »

I’m sure of any group of people, professional healthcare workers would be able to identify that they’re suffering from illness induced fatigue rather than just working hard.

I’d tend to listen to the nurses and doctors on this one.

You’re also seeing and hearing exactly the same story from people around the world reporting identical experiences of long recoveries and lasting symptoms.

Your also seeing thousands upon thousands of hypochondriacs looking thinking they have it and testing negative, also thousands of people thinking they were floored with it in December.

It's mostly a harmless disease for healthy people under 65, no amount of scaremongering will change the facts.

US2

US2 wrote: »

Given the bias and selective reporting from Rte I wouldn't listen to anything an employee says.

The healthcare workers, are they suffering fatigue due to being overworked as so many have to time off isolating. Has it been proved the virus is causing their fatigue or does proof only matter sometimes ?

"I don't like who is saying it so I will dismiss it even though they have direct experience, and the facts don't align with my view therefore I will ignore those also". About right?

Rob A. Bank

Deleted User wrote: »

Arriving from...not necessarily tourists or even Americans. Irish people returning home, Americans who live here returning etc. would make up the bulk

Evidence please... and the ethnic origin of the travelers is totally irrelevant.

The virus does not swim here, blow in with the wind or fall with the misty rain.

It arrives in people from known hotspots, just like it did from Italy in March.

USA has just topped 4,000,000 cases and had a death toll of over 1,100 yesterday.