Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Blanco100

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very interesting article from someone without agenda. Well worth a read.

Speaks of silent lung damage observed. Sums up some of most important things we still don't know yet and why it's best to avoid if possible.




https://twitter.com/ConversationUK/status/1276815144824209408?s=20

Thats pretty frightening.

Always wondered what the long term effects will be on those who suffered milder cases of Covid 19.

Goldengirl

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just to clarify I'm not in the business of calling nurses names or anything like that, I didn't see any posts calling them names and if there was thats not on, I've family that are nurses, not in the hosptial mentioned on the article so I take/took the article at face value.

The article suggested it was a recent study it just references in April when the advice was changed. Hence when cases within the healthcare settings among staff are still a relatively high proportion of our daily totals, this article appeared to join the dots.

If that's not the case as you've cleared up above then the Independent should update the article to reflect it. I moved to reading the indo more myself as I found the times was displaying poor journalism and was quite unbalanced recently. I presume its all for clicks as that's how they'll make money at the moment

I never said you called anyone names , you are always polite and respectful , even if we do not always agree !
I think because it was out there, unopposed , unfortunately , it was used by someone elsewhere as stick to beat nurses with ,but that also is not your fault .
I just wanted to set the record straight .
I know someone has been on to the Indo to get them to do just that , but I wouldn't hold my breath .
Probably all the same, but we all have our preferences and I find the Independent very reactionary and soundbite- ish .

It has been incredibly frustrating for nurses who have been like a voice in the wilderness through all of this .

The HSE should answer for this and also the whole nursing home debacle , for which they have sidestepped the blame and said " it was all HIQA" !

Plumbthedepths

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

We aren't in a better place than March. Our nations finances are destroyed and another stricter lockdown is inevitable.

Another stricter lockdown won't be happening as you already said our finances are in a poor state and we can't afford to lockdown, (although you repeat that position at least once a day by my reckoning) but we have an ability to borrow so all's not lost.

Cork Boy 53

ACitizenErased wrote: »

0 deaths in the US state of Massachusetts today for the first time since 21st March.

Source for this?

fritzelly

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Source for this?

Is it too much like good news?

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Been told by a reliable source that vaccine production is to start in Cork in the next few weeks. No idea which vaccine it is but 95% positive this is true.

I thought some trials started a few weeks back in Galway

bb1234567

Some unfortunate news, a recent study has shown that asymptomatic carriers generally have few to no detectable antibodies just weeks after infection.

'Antibody levels also dropped off far more quickly in people who never showed symptoms, and 40 per cent of them had no detectable antibodies eight weeks after recovery, compared with 13 per cent of symptomatic patients.'

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/asymptomatic-covid-19-findings-dim-hopes-for-herd-immunity-and-immunity-passports/ar-BB163A1x

I dont know much about this, but can you have immunity if your antibodies disappeared, is that possible?

fritzelly

bb1234567 wrote: »

Some unfortunate news, a recent study has shown that asymptomatic carriers generally have few to no detectable antibodies just weeks after infection.

'Antibody levels also dropped off far more quickly in people who never showed symptoms, and 40 per cent of them had no detectable antibodies eight weeks after recovery, compared with 13 per cent of symptomatic patients.'

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/asymptomatic-covid-19-findings-dim-hopes-for-herd-immunity-and-immunity-passports/ar-BB163A1x

I dont know much about this, but can you have immunity if your antibodies disappeared, is that possible?

Antibodies are only a part of it - if you only have a weak infection that's easily bested then obviously you wont have your system swarmed with antibodies - the virus didn't get a chance to take hold
T Cells is where its at!
Just more scaremongering - the immune system is hardly understood but it's understood once infected then the antibody response can be quickly replicated to fight it off again.

nocoverart

Any news on a Vaccine for Erectile Dysfunction? reading this thread the last few months has me in all sorts of trouble down there.

fritzelly

nocoverart wrote: »

Any news on a Vaccine for Erectile Dysfunction? reading this thread the last few months has me in all sorts of trouble down there.

Check your spam email

leavingirl

Arghus wrote: »

Second episode of the hospital doc on RTE 1 right now.

That is not a documentary. It is propaganda.

owlbethere

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Very interesting article on the same site from two epidemiologists.

https://twitter.com/ConversationUK/status/1277703232605872132

I don't believe for a minute that the virus will burn out after 20% of the population becoming infected. It's pie in the sky codswallop and that's all it is. Do 20% become infected and 80% who didn't develop an infection suddenly become immune to the virus?

All this will do is lead people to a false sense of security - 'sure, the virus is dying out' they might think and it will lead to more risks and ultimately more infection spreading.

blade1

leavingirl wrote: »

It is propaganda.

Haven't seen it but why is it propaganda?

Quantum Erasure

Wait, are we on thread 19 already? I missed the grand opening

schmoo2k

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

We aren't in a better place than March. Our nations finances are destroyed and another stricter lockdown is inevitable.

Why is a stricter lockdown inevitable? You probably meant "localised lockdowns"?

schmoo2k

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Facts are people won't stand for another lockdown and we don't have the police or army to force it

I think identified clusters of infected people will willingly self isolate and get tested - you do know tests can be scheduled within a day and results are back in a couple of days?

Jim_Hodge

leavingirl wrote: »

That is not a documentary. It is propaganda.

Care to explain that nonsense?

pjohnson

schmoo2k wrote: »

I think identified clusters of infected people will willingly self isolate and get tested - you do know tests can be scheduled within a day and results are back in a couple of days?

Some are too stupid to understand "self isolation" sure they couldn't get to the pub then!

LiquidZeb

giveitholly wrote: »

Oh I agree with you,just can't understand how some posters come out with such statements and don't give a reason for their predictions. They just make some outlandish statements and then disappear

He's probably gone to stand outside a shop again making sure everyone is observing social distancing.

LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Source for this?

Do you've a source for your prediction of a stricter second lockdown?

LiquidZeb

pjohnson wrote: »

Some are too stupid to understand "self isolation" sure they couldn't get to the pub then!

YoU JUst wANT TO gO tO tHe PuB !!!!

pjohnson

LiquidZeb wrote: »

YoU JUst wANT TO gO tO tHe PuB !!!!

Didnt mean to offend you. They are open soon dont worry. Hell can probably find a scuzzy place open now.

stephenjmcd

Goldengirl wrote: »

I never said you called anyone names , you are always polite and respectful , even if we do not always agree !
I think because it was out there, unopposed , unfortunately , it was used by someone elsewhere as stick to beat nurses with ,but that also is not your fault .
I just wanted to set the record straight .
I know someone has been on to the Indo to get them to do just that , but I wouldn't hold my breath .
Probably all the same, but we all have our preferences and I find the Independent very reactionary and soundbite- ish .

It has been incredibly frustrating for nurses who have been like a voice in the wilderness through all of this .

The HSE should answer for this and also the whole nursing home debacle , for which they have sidestepped the blame and said " it was all HIQA" !

On the first part, no problem at all and thanks for clarifying the article.

Nothing new there for the HSE unfortunately, deflect everything to HIQA so that they don't have to take any of the blame for the shambles that was nursing homes.

No doubt we'll have a committee and an investigation in due time that'll make recommendations that as usual won't be implemented

stephenjmcd

Dublin Airport reported to be much busier this morning, not at normal levels but a very steady flow of passengers in the airport.

2 friends of mine flew out this morning through T1 and said the queue at security was 10-15 mins and wasn't as busy as it would have been before March but still more than they expected to be there. But overall very steady flow of people arriving into the airport this morning.

Doctors room ghost

If it locks down again I’m going digging a hole in the garden and climbing into it and hibernating like a bear.
Wake me up when all of it is over.
Fcukin sick of it all

shinzon

Sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning on Ireland Am news. The amount of people flying out is worrying in the extreme.

The clear public health advice is no non essential travel off of the Island, yet Ireland be like. With the amount of imported cases on the rise this gets even more dangerous now.

Shin

schmoo2k

Not the smartest medical staff member me thinks:


A medical staff member rests in front of a fan in the Covid-19 intensive care unit at the United Memorial Medical Center in Houston, Texas

LiquidZeb

pjohnson wrote: »

Didnt mean to offend you. They are open soon dont worry. Hell can probably find a scuzzy place open now.

Ah no I'm fine but some of the sanctimonious bull****ting here would drive mother Theresa to drink.

Has the tall man on the left been ordered by his wife to wear her sun hat?

drunkmonkey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dublin Airport reported to be much busier this morning, not at normal levels but a very steady flow of passengers in the airport.

2 friends of mine flew out this morning through T1 and said the queue at security was 10-15 mins and wasn't as busy as it would have been before March but still more than they expected to be there. But overall very steady flow of people arriving into the airport this morning.

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures

Lockdown part 2 imminent.

schmoo2k

shinzon wrote: »

Sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning on Ireland Am news. The amount of people flying out is worrying in the extreme.

The clear public health advice is no non essential travel off of the Island, yet Ireland be like. With the amount of imported cases on the rise this gets even more dangerous now.

Shin



(picture is for illustrative purposes only not actually Dublin airport but near enough)

I have zero issues with folks flying out...

schmoo2k

schmoo2k wrote: »

I have zero issues with folks flying out...

What about flying back???

copeyhagen

is pure scare mongering. i just seen a family emmbers picture from the gate in T1 and theres nobody near them, its empty.

schmoo2k

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What about flying back???

Have zero issues with folks who do not have Covid flying back.

Jim_Hodge

shinzon wrote: »

Sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning on Ireland Am news. The amount of people flying out is worrying in the extreme.


(picture is for illustrative purposes only not actually Dublin airport but near enough)

Why use it then? It's certainly not illustrative of this mornings activity.

stephenjmcd

drunkmonkey wrote: »

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures

Lockdown part 2 imminent.

That was common knowledge last while, 1st July signaled a resumption of many services

shinzon

schmoo2k wrote: »

I have zero issues with folks flying out...

Well when they come back and start spreading the virus again you may change your tune tbh. We have had already imported cases each family that flies out and back in again increases the chance of it spiking exponentially. Incredibly selfish of these people to risk throwing away all we have achieved in suppressing the virus and keeping the numbers low for a few weeks in the sun.

So yeah you bet I have a problem with people flying out when public health advice is to not to very very foolish.

Shin

Plumbthedepths

shinzon wrote: »

Sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning on Ireland Am news. The amount of people flying out is worrying in the extreme.

The clear public health advice is no non essential travel off of the Island, yet Ireland be like. With the amount of imported cases on the rise this gets even more dangerous now.

Shin



(picture is for illustrative purposes only not actually Dublin airport but near enough)

Prehaps one of the most disingenuous posts I have seen on this site. Absolutely pathetic behaviour on your part.

shinzon

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Prehaps one of the most disingenuous posts I have seen on this site. Absolutely pathetic behaviour on your part.

Way to ignore completely the point and just Zero in on the picture but carry on I shall remove the pic from original post seens as thats all everyone is looking at and ignoring the post whose been disingenuous now.

Shin

caveat emptor

Meanwhile...two soldiers due to fly out to Lebanon tested positive. Rest of group in quarantine.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/un-peacekeeping-mission-to-lebanon-in-doubt-after-soldiers-test-positive-for-covid-19-1008487.html

Nice bit of balance. State an incorrect fact regarding something called "concentration" then correct themselves kinda.

"The Irish Examiner understands the two soldiers are from the Dublin area, which has a very high concentration of confirmed cases.

However, analysis by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) and Maynooth University’s All-Island Research Observatory found one of the top 10 areas for transmission of the virus was in the 'Fermoy Urban Area'"

Hurrache

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very interesting article from someone without agenda. Well worth a read.

Speaks of silent lung damage observed. Sums up some of most important things we still don't know yet and why it's best to avoid if possible.

In the other thread we've had people argue that there are no long term effects. Evidence was shown and the argument became admirably pedantic as to what's actually long term and not long term. Shifting goal posts.

stephenjmcd

copeyhagen wrote: »

is pure scare mongering. i just seen a family emmbers picture from the gate in T1 and theres nobody near them, its empty.

Its still nowhere near where it was but there is a very stready flow into the airport this morning.

The 2 I know that went this morning were on a flight to Madrid this morning and from the texts this morning there was high load on the flight.

Depends on the flight probably

Plumbthedepths

shinzon wrote: »

Way to ignore completely the point and just Zero in on the picture but carry on I shall remove the pic from original post seens as thats all everyone is looking at and ignoring the post whose been disingenuous now.

Shin

You lied on your post and included a fake photo to further your lie.
You can't make a point whilst blatantly misrepresenting the facts.

shinzon

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You lied on your post and included a fake photo to further your lie.
You can't make a point whilst blatantly misrepresenting the facts.

Where did I lie I posted under the pic it was for illustrative purposes to clarify it actually wasnt Dublin airport but the rest of the post was and is factual. Unless your now saying that literally nobody flew out of Dublin airport this morning and it wasnt crowded and there isnt a risk of cases being imported coming back into Ireland which isnt true as we've already had that but again carry on.

Shin

Plumbthedepths

shinzon wrote: »

Where did I lie I posted under the pic it was for illustrative purposes to clarify it actually wasnt Dublin airport but the rest of the post was and is factual.

Shin

'sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning' you know bloody well what you were at posting that comment followed by the photo.
So if the rest of your comment was factual which could only mean you had first hand knowledge of Dublin airport this morning why not post a genuine photo.
I stand by my comment, pathetic disingenuous behaviour.
PTD.
Edit.
I find 'ninja edits' also questionable. Thanks though you have confirmed to me and I'm guessing to some others that you and your comments are best ignored.

LiquidZeb

shinzon wrote: »

Where did I lie I posted under the pic it was for illustrative purposes to clarify it actually wasnt Dublin airport but the rest of the post was and is factual. Unless your now saying that literally nobody flew out of Dublin airport this morning and it wasnt crowded and there isnt a risk of cases being imported coming back into Ireland which isnt true as we've already had that but again carry on.

Shin

Sorry can I just ask why you sign off at the end of your posts?

shinzon

shinzon wrote: »

Where did I lie I posted under the pic it was for illustrative purposes to clarify it actually wasnt Dublin airport but the rest of the post was and is factual. Unless your now saying that literally nobody flew out of Dublin airport this morning and it wasnt crowded and there isnt a risk of cases being imported coming back into Ireland which isnt true as we've already had that but again carry on.

Shin

Probably one of the most idiotic posts I’ve ever seen on boards

ixoy

For cases that are imported from travel, it would be good to know what the origin country was (we know of one cluster originating from Iraq for example).

The EU is opening up and be curious to see how many are coming from the countries in the green block and how many outside. The designated countries are, in theory, fairly safe. If it's within the designated block, then we'd expect to see similar problems across Europe.

shinzon

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

'sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning' you know bloody well what you were at posting that comment followed by the photo.
So if the rest of your comment was factual which could only mean you had first hand knowledge of Dublin airport this morning why not post a genuine photo.
I stand by my comment, pathetic disingenuous behaviour.
PTD.

I was at nothing it was on the Ireland AM news this morning at 8am unless you want me sitting in front of the telly with a camera taking pictures. And yes it was sickening to blatantly ignore public health advice not to travel off of the island and put everything at risk that we have achieved in the last few months for a few weeks in the sun when we know theres a risk of importing cases as has already happened so I stand fully by what I have posted 100%

You still have a problem with that thats your own business

Shin

shinzon

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably one of the most idiotic posts I’ve ever seen on boards

All I can do is laugh at this

Shin