Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Wolf359f

Fann Linn wrote: »

And 7 flights per week from Dallas Fort Worth scheduled from next week. Lovely.

Every plane full I assume?
Every passenger positive for covid and will ignore government guidelines and be a superspreader?
I'm still waiting for the pics of Dublin airport being packed. There was a post earlier referencing a friend who worked in Dublin airport who posted on twitter........ ah feic that, I'm not going there.

stephenjmcd

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Crazy scenes in the UK. It'll be complete carnage there



Hmmm, "Pubs" no longer trending for me on Twitter Ireland, but I could've swore it was before

Yeah it was there alright. Soho makes Dame Lane look like a picnic

Ficheall

Did we find out why Kermit was banned? I don't see anything offensive in any of his recent posts, but it was hardly just because he wasn't towing the "Everything is grand here, I'm going to the pub" line?

Fann Linn

Wolf359f wrote: »

Every plane full I assume?
Every passenger positive for covid and will ignore government guidelines and be a superspreader?
I'm still waiting for the pics of Dublin airport being packed. There was a post earlier referencing a friend who worked in Dublin airport who posted on twitter........ ah feic that, I'm not going there.

I don't know. It's happening next week.

ShineOn7

Fann Linn wrote: »

And 7 flights per week from Dallas Fort Worth scheduled from next week. Lovely.

Be grand!*









(*No it won't actually. Close the airports to Americans)

fritzelly

owlbethere wrote: »

Why are banned posters being mocked openly on the forum?

Nothing to do with being banned - he is anti bar/alcohol, scenes like that just feed in to his rhetoric

bb1234567

https://khn.org/news/lost-on-the-frontline-health-care-worker-death-toll-covid19-coronavirus/

America has lost 729 healthcare workers to covid , look through their pictures, it is shocking how young many of them look.

Unbelievable that you've posters saying covids no big deal or harmless when healthcare workers are dying in such large numbers across the world ,so insulting to the danger they are facing daily in active covid areas

In addition, 5% of all infected healthcare workers in the USA were put in ICU after contracting covid, the average age of the infected healthcare worker was just 42 years old. I'm sure the average of the workers who were put in ICU was quite a bit higher though however. But still that figure is huge, COVID certainly is a very valid danger even to the relatively young in their late 40's and 50's.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/15/834920016/at-least-9-000-u-s-health-care-workers-sickened-with-covid-19-cdc-data-shows?t=1593910474958

LiquidZeb

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://khn.org/news/lost-on-the-frontline-health-care-worker-death-toll-covid19-coronavirus/

America has lost 729 healthcare workers to covid , unbelievable that you've posters saying covids no big deal or harmless when healthcare workers are dying in such large numbers across the world ,so insulting to the danger they are facing daily in active covid areas

In addition, 5% of all infected healthcare workers in the USA were put in ICU after contracting covid, the average age of the infected healthcare worker was just 42 years old. I'm sure the average of the workers who were put in ICU was quite a bit higher though however. But still that figure is huge, COVID certainly is a very valid danger even to the relatively young in their late 40's and 50's.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/15/834920016/at-least-9-000-u-s-health-care-workers-sickened-with-covid-19-cdc-data-shows?t=1593910474958

All I'll say is that people should do their civic duty when a vaccine is released and get it when they're summoned. It's looking like the Oxford vaccine will be the first one and it's safety is guaranteed from when it was a MERS vaccine.

You can't on one hand ramble on endlessly about how awful covid is and what everyone should be doing and then not do what has to be done to exterminate the virus yourself.

fritzelly

LiquidZeb wrote: »

All I'll say is that people should do their civic duty when a vaccine is released and get it when they're summoned. It's looking like the Oxford vaccine will be the first one and it's safety is guaranteed from when it was a MERS vaccine.

You can't on one hand ramble on endlessly about how awful covid is and what everyone should be doing and then not do what has to be done to exterminate the virus yourself.

It is not the same vaccine and the MERS vaccine never existed - the virus died out before anything was ever done with it ergo no money to be made in even progressing it any further
The only similarity is the method for creating the vaccine based on the MERS research

ShineOn7

Wolf359f wrote: »

That they do, however the pubic sentiment does have weight during this pandemic.

It does in it's balls

If it did the airports would be closed to Americans

Wolf359f

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It does in it's balls

If it did the airports would be closed to Americans

Public sentiment closed the schools/collages and to the most part pubs.
I'm still waiting for the pics of full planes landing in Ireland from America.
In this day and age with smart phones and social media, the photo's prove elusive.

owlbethere

fritzelly wrote: »

It is not the same vaccine and the MERS vaccine never existed - the virus died out before anything was ever done with it ergo no money to be made in even progressing it any further
The only similarity is the method for creating the vaccine based on the MERS research

From what I read about mers, the virus didn't die out. It's still in circulation but it's not as widespread because it's more lethal. From what I read about the London vaccine, it was already in trails in the middle east for MERS. When covid19 came all they had to do was tweak it to covid19. That's my understanding of what I read about it and I'm open to correction.

owlbethere

fritzelly wrote: »

Nothing to do with being banned - he is anti bar/alcohol, scenes like that just feed in to his rhetoric

I don't care. You mocked him openly on the forum. The poster is banned. That should be the end of it if you don't like his posts but between yourself and a few more, you kept dragging up his name and mocking him.

fritzelly

owlbethere wrote: »

From what I read about mers, the virus didn't die out. It's still in circulation but it's not as widespread because it's more lethal. From what I read about the London vaccine, it was already in trails in the middle east for MERS. When covid19 came all they had to do was tweak it to covid19. That's my understanding of what I read about it and I'm open to correction.

Still in circulation but very rare - it's too lethal to get a foothold and spread
The methods they were using to create the vaccine have been used to create the covid vaccine hence the rapid turnaround for the vaccine
So as I said the methodology they invented to create the MERS vaccine (even tho it never got very far) are the same but the vaccine itself is not the same even tho its targetting the same viral family.

Lessons to be learned from the mistakes and successes in Australia. All states have mandatory quarantine for international travellers. They are tested before release. Turns out test refusal rates were higher in Victoria for some reason and that there was no legislation to force testing or extend quarantine or deny entry like in other states.when that hit the news suddenly plans were diverted to Adelaide. Anyway on top of that the other states used police and army personnel to man the quarantine...whereas Victoria used low wage security who let the people in quarantine mingle, played cards with them themselves and some were even riding.

So fast forward to the security guards going home infected and it spread relatively quickly through Melbourne with multiple suburbs locked down and more added to the list overnight something like 36 suburbs.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/security-guard-breaks-gag-order-reveals-major-breaches-inside-melbournes-quarantine-hotels-ng-316b19f1a347e84822ef2e4cd6ab0214.amp

Other Australian states are basically back to normal except international travel is not allowed and looking like it won't be allowed until 2021. Each state handled things differently but all closed their internal borders except Victoria and new South Wales which are the states still reporting numbers. Small numbers until the Melbourne outbreak.

States like Queensland and south and western Australia were put under pressure to open to other states, i.e Victoria and new South Wales, by federal government but held tight. They waited until they had 2-4 weeks of no community transmission before reopening. Victoria and new South Wales partially opened before waiting.

Eradication is possible,but you have to stop travel and reopening can't happen until you have a few weeks without community transmission. Ireland is in an unfortunate position for eradication because of the UK. In an ideal situation travel would have halted and Ireland would wait and open to only countries free of community transmission.

Seems like a few more weeks of lockdown across Europe might prevent start stops going on endlessly and things could go back to normality within Europe?

Why not if it's possible elsewhere? Oh and Australia learned the hard way but reacted quickly when self isolation was the rule for travellers... it's quickly changed to enforced quarantine. Also only Australians are allowed fly into Australia at the moment.

One to watch will be Adelaide next month they are flying in 800 international students in a trial. https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/07/adelaide-breaks-quarantine-as-800-infected-students-pour-in/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/victoria-hotel-quarantine-breaches-inquiry-launched/12414612
"Genomic testing has linked many of the state's recent infections back to private contractors working at two quarantine hotels.

Reports have also emerged of contractors having sexual relations with guests and families being allowed to go between rooms."

caveat emptor

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Exactly this, sure the first night the Italians opened the bars there were pictures and videos from Milan amongst other places of outdoor terraces packed. No visible consequence weeks later.

From 20th July outdoor gatherings of 500 are allowed so people will have to get used to see large enough gatherings.

There's going to be spikes, to suggest we can keep cases as low as they've been is fanciful. For me anything under 50 a day is acceptable so long as these aren't all translating to hosptial admissions

A bit Lord Farquaad. Reopening is risky. Reopening while finding loopholes to get as many people ringing the tills while claiming "all necessary precautions are taken" is more risky.

If I were a nurse or doctor who went through hell treating patients I'd be extremely concerned now.

mandrake04

Deleted User wrote: »

Lessons to be learned from the mistakes and successes in Australia. All states have mandatory quarantine for international travellers. They are tested before release. Turns out test refusal rates were higher in Victoria for some reason and that there was no legislation to force testing or extend quarantine or deny entry like in other states.when that hit the news suddenly plans were diverted to Adelaide. Anyway on top of that the other states used police and army personnel to man the quarantine...whereas Victoria used low wage security who let the people in quarantine mingle, played cards with them themselves and some were even riding.

So fast forward to the security guards going home infected and it spread relatively quickly through Melbourne with multiple suburbs locked down and more added to the list overnight something like 36 suburbs.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/security-guard-breaks-gag-order-reveals-major-breaches-inside-melbournes-quarantine-hotels-ng-316b19f1a347e84822ef2e4cd6ab0214.amp

Other Australian states are basically back to normal except international travel is not allowed and looking like it won't be allowed until 2021. Each state handled things differently but all closed their internal borders except Victoria and new South Wales which are the states still reporting numbers. Small numbers until the Melbourne outbreak.

States like Queensland and south and western Australia were put under pressure to open to other states, i.e Victoria and new South Wales, by federal government but held tight. They waited until they had 2-4 weeks of no community transmission before reopening. Victoria and new South Wales partially opened before waiting.

Eradication is possible,but you have to stop travel and reopening can't happen until you have a few weeks without community transmission. Ireland is in an unfortunate position for eradication because of the UK. In an ideal situation travel would have halted and Ireland would wait and open to only countries free of community transmission.

Seems like a few more weeks of lockdown across Europe might prevent start stops going on endlessly and things could go back to normality within Europe?

Why not if it's possible elsewhere? Oh and Australia learned the hard way but reacted quickly when self isolation was the rule for travellers... it's quickly changed to enforced quarantine. Also only Australians are allowed fly into Australia at the moment.

One to watch will be Adelaide next month they are flying in 800 international students in a trial. https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/07/adelaide-breaks-quarantine-as-800-infected-students-pour-in/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/victoria-hotel-quarantine-breaches-inquiry-launched/12414612
"Genomic testing has linked many of the state's recent infections back to private contractors working at two quarantine hotels.

Reports have also emerged of contractors having sexual relations with guests and families being allowed to go between rooms."

NSW are going limit international arrivals to 450 per day as they are running out of hotels rooms since most travelers are avoiding QLD since they now charge, currently 5 new cases in last 24 hrs and all returned travelers and nothing in the community.

The airport is the definitely the chink in Armour if not properly handled, Victoria typical leftards chose to go civilian security rather than the military as they thought it 'too confrontational'. But I think they will get a handle of it and it will be contained soon enough and they learn their lesson.

Its very concerning that this is likely to happen in Ireland if they rely on self isolation, I fear for my parents and I think it will be a pretty bleak xmas there by the looks of it since so many people intending on travelling to virus infected shit holes like Spain etc that are going be over run with Brits.

Non solum non ambulabit

The scenes in Dublin were not great but at least people were outside and young. My local church asked old people to only attend on Fridays. The place was wedged Friday morning. Hundreds of old people all inside with communion given out etc. That is a real worry. Vulnerable people regularly gathering in their hundreds inside in every parish in Ireland.

Gruffalux

Non solum non ambulabit

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

The scenes in Dublin were not great but at least people were outside and young.

Studies in China of over 300 virus clusters identified only 1 where the initial infection occurred outdoors. Even in the absence of social distancing the risk outdoors is tiny, something people should remember when giving out about a few people drinking on the streets

Ineedaname

fritzelly wrote: »

It is not the same vaccine and the MERS vaccine never existed - the virus died out before anything was ever done with it ergo no money to be made in even progressing it any further
The only similarity is the method for creating the vaccine based on the MERS research

No it didn't. MERS is still active. There were over 200 cases in the middle East just last year

LiquidZeb

fritzelly wrote: »

It is not the same vaccine and the MERS vaccine never existed - the virus died out before anything was ever done with it ergo no money to be made in even progressing it any further
The only similarity is the method for creating the vaccine based on the MERS research

But MERS is still around and it is a MERS vaccine. The vaccine is just being modified to work on covid. The safety is guaranteed they just need to prove it works and so far they're liking the immunity it gives.

It leaves test subjects with 3x the antibodies of a recovered covid patient. I wish people would stop lying or spreading false information about the vaccine because that's what you've done here.

LiquidZeb

Ineedaname wrote: »

No it didn't. MERS is still active. There were over 200 cases in the middle East just last year

Don't even bother it's clear he just cobbled together some nonsense and is trying to put it across as fact. I swear some lads here will dress in black for a week when a vaccine is developed which is looking sooner every day. My condolences lads the new normal won't be normal for long.

Renjit

How do you expect compliance from drunk people?

Rob A. Bank

Deleted User wrote: »

Studies in China of over 300 virus clusters identified only 1 where the initial infection occurred outdoors. Even in the absence of social distancing the risk outdoors is tiny, something people should remember when giving out about a few people drinking on the streets

Outdoors is obviously a lot safer than indoors, but mask wearing in public outdoor spaces is practically universal in China.

Extrapolating that Chinese data to the situation outside pubs in Ireland is suspect.

Boggles

LiquidZeb wrote: »

But MERS is still around and it is a MERS vaccine. The vaccine is just being modified to work on covid. The safety is guaranteed they just need to prove it works and so far they're liking the immunity it gives.

It leaves test subjects with 3x the antibodies of a recovered covid patient. I wish people would stop lying or spreading false information about the vaccine because that's what you've done here.

Really, how did you/they come to that conclusion?

There is no approved vaccine for MERS, AFAIK there has never been an approved RNA vaccine. there is several vaccine candidates though.

Which one are you talking about and which has "safety guaranteed"?

LiquidZeb

Boggles wrote: »

Really, how did you/they come to that conclusion?

There is no approved vaccine for MERS, AFAIK there has never been an approved RNA vaccine. there is several vaccine candidates though.

Which one are you talking about and which has "safety guaranteed"?

Well considering only 200 people per year get MERS it's kind of obvious why they've postponed work on that vaccine. If you want to know more do your own research im not getting dragged into your anti vax nonsense.

Boggles

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well considering only 200 people per year get MERS it's kind of obvious why they've postponed work on that vaccine. If you want to know more do your own research im not getting dragged into your anti vax nonsense.

WTF?

I asked you a simply question.

Which candidate are you talking about?

LiquidZeb

Boggles wrote: »

WTF?

I asked you a simply question.

Which candidate are you talking about?

The Oxford vaccine was the one that poster responded to.

Eod100

Harris tweeting about scenes from last night. https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1279713184501424128?s=19

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

Harris tweeting about scenes from last night. https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1279713184501424128?s=19

It was always going to happen. We can't assume that everyone will follow guidelines any more, especially as we seem to have such low numbers. All that can be done is to repeat the pubic health guidance ad nauseum.

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

It was always going to happen. We can't assume that everyone will follow guidelines any more, especially as we seem to have such low numbers. All that can be done is to repeat the pubic health guidance ad nauseum.

I think it's very difficult to control crowds drinking but point is responsibility is on pubs as they're meant to be trading effectively as restaurants.

tom1ie

LiquidZeb wrote: »

But MERS is still around and it is a MERS vaccine. The vaccine is just being modified to work on covid. The safety is guaranteed they just need to prove it works and so far they're liking the immunity it gives.

It leaves test subjects with 3x the antibodies of a recovered covid patient. I wish people would stop lying or spreading false information about the vaccine because that's what you've done here.

How is the safety guaranteed? By who?
The same people that made the vaccine?
I’m not anti vaccine but let’s be careful making statements like safety guaranteed.

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

I think it's very difficult to control crowds drinking but point is responsibility is on pubs as they're meant to be trading effectively as restaurants.

If they are doing as they should, they can't really be faulted for the personal behaviour of patrons. One can knock back a bottle of wine or a lot of beers in a restaurant, it's your choice.

LiquidZeb

tom1ie wrote: »

How is the safety guaranteed? By who?
The same people that made the vaccine?
I’m not anti vaccine but let’s be careful making statements like safety guaranteed.

Right get onto the lads at the Jenner institute in Oxford and tell them what's what. I swear the arrogance of some people on here is ridiculous.

schmoo2k

Eod100 wrote: »

Harris tweeting about scenes from last night. https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1279713184501424128?s=19

Only in Ireland would we open Pubs before schools and colleges (and yes they do have modules during the summer)

Boggles

LiquidZeb wrote: »

The Oxford vaccine was the one that poster responded to.

There is no "safety guaranteed" with that candidate or any candidate yet.

LiquidZeb wrote: »

. I wish people would stop lying or spreading false information about the vaccine because that's what you've done here.

Indeed, I wish they would.

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

If they are doing as they should, they can't really be faulted for the personal behaviour of patrons. One can knock back a bottle of wine or a lot of beers in a restaurant, it's your choice.

With so many outside it seems obvious that there is an issue there. It's not about alcohol consumption, it's about crowds on top of each other. That doesn't happen in restaurants where people sit down which pubs were meant to be trading as.

is_that_so

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Right get onto the lads at the Jenner institute in Oxford and tell them what's what. I swear the arrogance of some people on here is ridiculous.

We only have the word of the people in Oxford and their own supreme confidence (arrogance?). We'll have to wait to see if that's how it works out, much as people want it to.

LiquidZeb

Boggles wrote: »

There is no "safety guaranteed" with that candidate or any candidate yet.



Indeed, I wish they would.

Alright then fine don't take the vaccine. If you or someone you care about wind up strapped to a ventilator remember that. Believe all the Facebook anti vax bull**** you want then. I'll trust the experts like an intelligent person.

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

With so many outside it seems obvious that there is an issue there. It's not about alcohol consumption, it's about crowds on top of each other. That doesn't happen in restaurants where people sit down which pubs were meant to be trading as.

Outside is a lesser risk and we do need to work out a degree of normality alongside this.

LiquidZeb

is_that_so wrote: »

We only have the word of the people in Oxford and their own supreme confidence (arrogance?). We'll have to wait to see if that's how it works out, much as people want it to.

You're one to talk about arrogance coming out with something like that. Never realized you were a virologist. Where did you study the Mickey mouse institute?

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

Outside is a lesser risk and we do need to work out a degree of normality alongside this.

Provided there is social distancing sure which was clearly not happening. I don't disagree but part of the return to normality is following guidelines so the easing of restrictions is sustainable. It's not normality as in life before covid19 cos these precautions will be with us for the foreseeable future.

hmmm

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Alright then fine don't take the vaccine. If you or someone you care about wind up strapped to a ventilator remember that. Believe all the Facebook anti vax bull**** you want then. I'll trust the experts like an intelligent person.

Whatever about the incredibly small risks that may exist with a vaccine, it's going to be an awful lot safer than getting Covid and taking your chances with this disease.

The Oxford vaccine platform has been around for years, and needed a minor tweak for Covid. Similarly vaccines from J&J and a number of other companies are based on standard platforms which have been used for years. The safety trials being conducted are the same as for any vaccine, we're just running multiple phases in parallel to speed up manufacturing so we're not waiting years for the vaccine to be produced.

The worry of course is that with people spreading this false "it isn't safe" message we'll never get to herd immunity, and the people who can't take the vaccine or where it doesn't work well (e.g. older people) never get protected. It's shameful to spread false rumors about safety, and incredibly damaging.

is_that_so

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You're one to talk about arrogance coming out with something like that. Never realized you were a virologist. Where did you study the Mickey mouse institute?

I think you need to step away from the keyboard for a bit. You've lashed out at every single poster you've responded to this morning, even the innocuous posts. In the meantime I'll wish you a nice day.

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

Provided there is social distancing sure which was clearly not happening. I don't disagree but part of the return to normality is following guidelines so the easing of restrictions is sustainable. It's not normality as in life before covid19 cos these precautions will be with us for the foreseeable future.

I expect to see cases anyway but I'd be more confident we can find and contain cases a lot better than in March.

LiquidZeb

hmmm wrote: »

Whatever about the incredibly small risks that may exist with a vaccine, it's going to be an awful lot safer than getting Covid and taking your chances with this disease.

The Oxford vaccine platform has been around for years, and needed a minor tweak for Covid. Similarly vaccines from J&J and a number of other companies are based on standard platforms which have been used for years.

The worry of course is that with people spreading this false "it isn't safe" message we'll never get to herd immunity, and the people who can't take the vaccine or where it doesn't work well (e.g. older people) never get protected. It's shameful to spread false rumors about safety, and incredibly damaging.

Let them off. They've a pathological need to piss on anything optimistic. If they fancy being strapped to a ventilator they can go right ahead. I'll do whats right for me and those around me. Calling professors working to end this misery arrogant. It's ****ing unbelievable.

threeball

The VFI have blatantly lied about the measures their members would uphold in order to reopen early. Most pubs this week weren't serving food in order to get served. Know of a few lads who spent 6hrs in one pub in Dublin and didn't buy as much as a bag of crisps. Every single one of these pubs should have their details taken, warning given and objections raised when they renew their licence.
As for the gob****es who were willing to stand in that melee, well there's no talking to the likes of them.

LiquidZeb

is_that_so wrote: »

I think you need to step away from the keyboard for a bit. You've lashed out at every single poster you've responded to this morning, even the innocuous posts. In the meantime I'll wish you a nice day.

I've lashes out at people trying to put the Frighteners on the Oxford vaccine. That ****e could potentially kill people. Actually have you contacted the Jenner institute and told them they're full of **** yet?

thelad95

I am of the age profile of many of those selfish idiots who were out in Dublin last night and I would like to provide some reassurance to people on this thread that I, nor anyone in my wider social circle as any notion of entering a pub anytime soon.

I have widened my social circle slightly, I play golf with my two good friends every Saturday and have had friends over to my apartment too. For the most part we have kept our distance from each other, and we have been conscious not to do anything stupid like hand-shakes or hugs. We absolutely deplore those foolish idiots last night. They are utterly selfish to the extreme. The type of woke, insta-hungry Muppets who crave social justice for all yet always seem to have a serious lack of personal responsibility for anything themselves.

Too many countries and American states have had to take steps back nearly solely because of bars and nightclubs. Yes we're a very sociable people but THE VIRUS DOES NOT CARE how long you've gone without a pint or how great craic we are. Even professional athletes have taken months to recover from this (look up Paolo Dybala of Juventus), nobody is immune or invincible.

Also, the government needs to cop the **** on with the borders. We are in a sandwich with two countries who on both a governmental and personal responsibility level have been extremely irresponsible in response to the virus and both contain millions of people with an arrogant sense of entitlement to visiting our shores and the rip off tourism industry in the West will only be too happy to welcome them in.

I don't care what any airline says about "state of the art filtration systems". We are an island nation, how do they think the virus arrived here?