Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

JJayoo

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If you take 7 EU countries that add up to same population of USA, you'd find it would add up to far more deaths than the USA have had.
USA is finding 100's of 1000's of positives results of covid of late, but very few deaths.

But it hasn't even started in the US yet, only New York and New Jersey have had it so far

BorneTobyWilde

cnocbui wrote: »

I think you will find the US is just getting started, though.

I don't see that at all. Can't see them getting to 4000 deaths a day again. Herd immunity is well and truly started there. Millions of younger people have it there already I'd say. Spreading like wild fire, but not affecting those getting it.

Jim_Hodge

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If you take 7 EU countries that add up to same population of USA, you'd find it would add up to far more deaths than the USA have had.
USA is finding 100's of 1000's of positives results of covid of late, but very few deaths.

Give it three or four weeks for deaths catch up with the spike in new cases. Plus, have a look at the stats for additional deaths due to pneumonia in the US over the past two months.

JP Liz V1

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Seems it's spreading among the youth of America, with lil effect to them.

They throwing Covid parties and we are allowing Yanks into Ireland

NasserShammaz

Just had a walk on Henry street and a charming local skankette hilariously coughed at me when passing...is this a thing again has the last 3 months happened ..... streets packed with people drinking did I ****in dream lockdown...

This brood mare skank is too stupid to realise that its probably gonna be her who'll infect her gran etc ...but FFS what kind of sh@t are these people breedin

is_that_so

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

There were reports back in March, I can't find them now, but it fizzled out as it was initially based on a very small number and didn't hold up under further scrutiny.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/does-your-blood-type-increase-your-risk-for-coronavirus

BorneTobyWilde

It's like the UK yesterday, 90% of people packing out pubs were younger, they'll spread it among themselves, but with little harm to themselves, but the old wiser people are still taking care and are not mixing.

Jim_Hodge

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't see that at all. Can't see them getting to 4000 deaths a day again. Herd immunity is well and truly started there. Millions of younger people have it there already I'd say. Spreading like wild fire, but not affecting those getting it.

How, when they are finding more and more positive cases can you project that to herd immunity kicking in? I'd be interested in the logic there, as the figures point elsewhere and the numbers critical in hospitals at the moment say otherwise.

BorneTobyWilde

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

They throwing Covid parties and we are allowing Yanks into Ireland

Yep, should be 2 week quarantine coming into Ireland, for the USA at least.

Eod100

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Blood group testing

Ah gotcha. Your GP should have a records of that in your file so might save you the expense if you haven't ordered yet!

Martina1991

Eod100 wrote:

Ah ok. GP should have a record of that to save ops expense.

Not necessarily.

People who get their blood grouped would include those who have
- donated blood
- had an operation
- been pregnant
- needed a transfusion

Not many people know or have a record of their blood type.

Jim_Hodge

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's like the UK yesterday, 90% of people packing out pubs were younger, they'll spread it among themselves, but with little harm to themselves, but the old wiser people are still taking care and are not mixing.

Until the young lad passes it to a shop or bar worker who passed it to their parents or neighbour.
And the talk of little harm to themselves is frankly irresponsible and at odds with the seriously ill younger people due to the virus,

NasserShammaz

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Seems it's spreading among the youth of America, with lil effect to them.

Personally no but what if they are responsible for the death of a loved one.

Has this not been the point it's not about getting it it's about not giving it to someone else.

I don't want to pass it on to my colleagues or people I deal with in work . For the slight effort of personal responsibility and common decency I believe I have done all I can to avoid being responsible for someone else getting ill

ceadaoin.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Give it three or four weeks for deaths catch up with the spike in new cases. Plus, have a look at the stats for additional deaths due to pneumonia in the US over the past two months.

It already has been 3 or 4 weeks since the most recent spike started in some places and deaths are still nowhere near new york levels. For example, when new york was seeing 10,000 cases a day, their deaths per day at the same time were already in the high hundreds or over 1000. Florida is up there is daily cases at this stage but is yet to see 100 deaths in a day.

I dont doubt deaths are going to rise but hopefully not to the level we saw in new york. There is something else going on IMO, whether its a better treatments or a younger demographic or maybe even a less virulent but more contagious strain.

Does you have a link to the actual data about pneumonia deaths?

Away With The Fairies

Eod100 wrote: »

Ah gotcha. Your GP should have a records of that in your file so might save you the expense if you haven't ordered yet!

It was a cheap enough test anyway, under 20 euro including delivery. So not bad.

Eod100

Martina1991 wrote: »

Not necessarily.

People who get their blood grouped would include those who have
- donated blood
- had an operation
- been pregnant
- needed a transfusion

Not many people know or have a record of their blood type.

Ah thought it was routine to have it on file in case patient needed transfusion or operation urgenently but stand corrected then!

An Ciarraioch

JJayoo wrote: »

Where can you find the individual county breakdown of numbers?

Covid-19 Ireland dashboard, gives you the daily tally for each county:

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com

ceadaoin.

Eod100 wrote: »

Ah thought it was routine to have it on file in case patient needed transfusion or operation urgenently but stand corrected then!

I only know my blood type from when I was pregnant. I checked through all my daughters birth documentation to see if it was noted on there from her heel prick test but there is no note of what type she is, so I guess its something that isnt routinely checked or recorded without reason.

BorneTobyWilde

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

How, when they are finding mire and more positive cases can you project that to herd immunity kicking in? I'd be interested in the logic there, as the figures point elsewhere and the numbers critical in hospitals at the moment say otherwise.

50,000 new cases a day there, that they find... but its closer to 500,00 a day getting it daily, and only 320m in USA.

But even at 50,000 cases a day, even for last 6 days equals 300,000 , and they say 1 can infect 20,so that could be 6m every 6 days

its going on so long now, running out of people to infect, only 320m in USA.
The herd is well and truly infected, and in two weeks they'll recover and they'll be immune.

SeaBreezes

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't see that at all. Can't see them getting to 4000 deaths a day again. Herd immunity is well and truly started there. Millions of younger people have it there already I'd say. Spreading like wild fire, but not affecting those getting it.

I thought they still werent sure if herd immunity is possible r if we can constantly pass it back and forth like we do with the common cold?

Martina1991

Eod100 wrote:

Ah thought it was routine to have it on file in case patient needed transfusion or operation urgenently but stand corrected then!

O neg would always be given in a dire emergency but a blood group and units can be issued within an hour if necessary.

shinzon

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-1-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially-distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.

Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters. Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.

Shin

Jim_Hodge

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It already has been 3 or 4 weeks since the most recent spike started in some places and deaths are still nowhere near new york levels. For example, when new york was seeing 10,000 cases a day, their deaths per day at the same time were already in the high hundreds or over 1000. Florida is up there is daily cases at this stage but is yet to see 100 deaths in a day.

I dont doubt deaths are going to rise but hopefully not to the level we saw in new york. There is something else going on IMO, whether its a better treatments or a younger demographic or maybe even a less virulent but more contagious strain.

Does you have a link to the actual data about pneumonia deaths?

The surge from the plateaued level started three weeks tomorrow. Have you seen the ICU figures from many states , eg Texas, this week. "The road to hell" was how one medical chief referred to it this week. Even putting deaths aside, serious illness amount younger people is rampant. The attitude that it causes little harm amount the younger population is dangerous.

podgeandrodge

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Just had a walk on Henry street and a charming local skankette hilariously coughed at me when passing...is this a thing again has the last 3 months happened ..... streets packed with people drinking did I ****in dream lockdown...

This brood mare skank is too stupid to realise that its probably gonna be her who'll infect her gran etc ...but FFS what kind of sh@t are these people breedin

I'm not advocating masks in pubs whatsoever (they are impractical to say the least), but in the pub the other night someone at another table near me regularly coughed without even making an effort to cover their face with their elbow or even their hand. I can't figure people doing this after 3 months of being told religiously every day about how to be careful. And if they have a cough that they can't suppress, they really shouldn't be in the pub imo.

I know that's entirely different than the skank carry on you mention above.

BorneTobyWilde

SeaBreezes wrote: »

I thought they still werent sure if herd immunity is possible r if we can constantly pass it back and forth like we do with the common cold?

Study in South Korea shows antibodies are produced in all who had covid, and it showed that those who had covid, recovered, but tested positive again were not reinfected. It was traces of virus, and it shows they could not infect people with these traces in system.
How long immunity lasts is the thing.

iamwhoiam

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I think blood group A gets it severe and blood group O doesn't get it as bad.

As far as I know from reading someone else said it was to do with Rh + and Rh-
I would take that with a grain of salt if I am honest

Renjit

podgeandrodge wrote: »

And if they have a cough that they can't suppress, they really shouldn't be in the pub imo.

I know that's entirely different than the skank carry on you mention above.

What if someone has cough since January?

NasserShammaz

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I'm not advocating masks in pubs whatsoever (they are impractical to say the least), but in the pub the other night someone at another table near me regularly coughed without even making an effort to cover their face with their elbow or even their hand. I can't figure people doing this after 3 months of being told religiously every day about how to be careful. And if they have a cough that they can't suppress, they really shouldn't be in the pub imo.

I know that's entirely different than the skank carry on you mention above.

Not really same thing one deliberate one unconscious but both equally ignorant of other people and showing a complete lack of consideration of others and an awareness of consequences that could equally affect them if we all behave as they do

is_that_so

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

50,000 new cases a day there, that they find... but its closer to 500,00 a day getting it daily, and only 320m in USA.

But even at 50,000 cases a day, even for last 6 days equals 300,000 , and they say 1 can infect 20,so that could be 6m every 6 days

its going on so long now, running out of people to infect, only 320m in USA.
The herd is well and truly infected, and in two weeks they'll recover and they'll be immune.

1 can infect 1 or one can infect 100. It's not known for certain especially with national R0 rates. The US experience hasn't been like Europe. It was largely limited to the coasts for a long while, now it's going to lots of other places. Apart from that states like Texas are already close to 100% ICU occupancy in some places, one of the main reasons why we went through all of this. The herd immunity claim really doesn't fly either as the range from serological tests is about 5%-12% worldwide, with a few locations higher.

is_that_so

Renjit wrote: »

What if someone has cough since January?

I know someone who has had a persistent cough for about 20 years. It may be allergies but he makes people nervous!

SeaBreezes

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Study in South Korea shows antibodies are produced in all who had covid, and it showed that those who had covid, recovered, but tested positive again were not reinfected. It was traces of virus, and it shows they could not infect people with these traces in system.
How long immunity lasts is the thing.

Yea, i thought it was 4 months? There was some speculation about T cell immunity as well.
But far far too little known to be banking on herd immumity...

ShineOn7

threeball wrote: »

The VFI have blatantly lied about the measures their members would uphold in order to reopen early. Most pubs this week weren't serving food in order to get served. Know of a few lads who spent 6hrs in one pub in Dublin and didn't buy as much as a bag of crisps.

Name the bar. I'll get on it with the Guards tomorrow and I'll be persistent with it

Just like the airport thread, too many are complaining about the situation and not enough are actually doing anything

podgeandrodge

Renjit wrote: »

What if someone has cough since January?

Well I wouldn't go into a pub if I had a cough regardless of how long I've had it for, unless I could take measures to at least be considerate of other patrons at this time. I presume you would agree, no?

Strazdas

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Study in South Korea shows antibodies are produced in all who had covid, and it showed that those who had covid, recovered, but tested positive again were not reinfected. It was traces of virus, and it shows they could not infect people with these traces in system.
How long immunity lasts is the thing.

I've seen many reports that dispute this one : people who had Covid having antibody tests and coming back negative.

What Username Guidelines

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The surge from the plateaued level started three weeks tomorrow. Have you seen the ICU figures from many states , eg Texas, this week. "The road to hell" was how one medical chief referred to it this week. Even putting deaths aside, serious illness amount younger people is rampant. The attitude that it causes little harm amount the younger population is dangerous.

The US is also a massive country, the initial surge was in the north and north east, we’re now seeing a different area surging with states along the same latitude in the south. This gives the entire country what appears to be a second wave when in reality it’s all just one big wave. Not saying this is good or anything, obviously some areas are close to breaking point in terms of healthcare, but when you compare north to south as two different areas, the deaths are a good bit lower. You do have to factor in a massive rise in pneumonia mid summer which is obviously suspect however.

This is a good comparison to give context to the numbers we’re seeing.

https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1278329451793846273?s=21

podgeandrodge

threeball wrote: »

The VFI have blatantly lied about the measures their members would uphold in order to reopen early. Most pubs this week weren't serving food in order to get served. Know of a few lads who spent 6hrs in one pub in Dublin and didn't buy as much as a bag of crisps. Every single one of these pubs should have their details taken, warning given and objections raised when they renew their licence.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Name the bar. I'll get on it with the Guards tomorrow and I'll be persistent with it

Just like the airport thread, too many are complaining about the situation and not enough are actually doing anything

In a couple of weeks though they'll be able to do that drinking anyway? I think that the food/restaurant serve food thing is just politics and a couple of weeks of it is not going to have much measurable effect. Covid didn't spot them not eating. Not saying they are ok to be breaking the rules, but there are bigger risks out there than people not eating.

ShineOn7

theballz wrote: »

I specifically remember around the spiking of covid that a member of this forum called out that majority of ICU patients in the mater were Roma/Brazilian.

Can you remember who said that? That's a curious stat

iamwhoiam

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Can you remember who said that? That's a curious stat

It was a consultant from The Mater who said on the TV that many of the Covid positive patients in the Mater were Brazilian and Roma . He put it down to shared crowded accommodation with poor facilities in the north inner city .

SeaBreezes

Interesting article , saying origin was the lab in wuhan.

But was funded by US for gain-of-function testing, (how to make it a superspreader) which obama outlawed, so research went offshore.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms

ShineOn7

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Just had a walk on Henry street and a charming local skankette hilariously coughed at me when passing

Not sure I'd have refrained myself tbh

Coughing at people must be the new "thing" for skanks who roam Dublin city centre

Stheno

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It was a consultant from The Mater who said on the TV that many of the Covid positive patients in the Mater were Brazilian and Roma . He put it down to shared crowded accommodation with poor facilities in the north inner city .

He never said they made up a majority of ICU cases though iirc?

iamwhoiam

Stheno wrote: »

He never said they made up a majority of ICU cases though iirc?

No , it wasn’t me who mentioned ICu . No he didn’t say they were in ICU he said admitted to the Mater

Stheno

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No , it wasn’t me who mentioned ICu . No he didn’t say they were in ICU he said admitted to the Mater

Yeah we are on the same page. I think the other poster who mentioned ICU may just have misinterpreted

DebDynamite

Stheno wrote: »

He never said they made up a majority of ICU cases though iirc?

I heard it myself from a doctor in the Mater re ICU, that they were over represented. It was just only Roma that was mentioned though not Brazilian.

martingriff

podgeandrodge wrote: »

In a couple of weeks though they'll be able to do that drinking anyway? I think that the food/restaurant serve food thing is just politics and a couple of weeks of it is not going to have much measurable effect. Covid didn't spot them not eating. Not saying they are ok to be breaking the rules, but there are bigger risks out there than people not eating.

I agree with what your saying but I be more peeved off with them due to places that are following the rules that either did not open as they can not serve food or those who are following the rules including the times they are staying. I say this in hope (because I know we will see it) rather then expectations but lets hope we do not see the same that happened in many places in the UK when the pubs opened. As some said people with a measure of drink in then can not social distance and we saw that last night in Dublin

Stheno

Are open pubs allowed have live music?

NasserShammaz

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Not sure I'd have refrained myself tbh

Coughing at people must be the new "thing" for skanks who roam Dublin city centre

It was right at the beginning not widespread but a few incidents on Talbot st / boardwalk but died down quickly thank ****... maybe the older residents around put them wide. As for engaging with them I used a 1 word term to describe her as I passed after the cough but anything else is futile I've lived here long enough to see the eyes roll back in the head and the" ohh no you did ent " pose" thick as **** ..

NasserShammaz

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Not sure I'd have refrained myself tbh

Coughing at people must be the new "thing" for skanks who roam Dublin city centre

It was right at the beginning not widespread but a few incidents on Talbot st / boardwalk but died down quickly thank ****... maybe the older residents around put them wide. As for engaging with them I used a 1 word term to describe her as I passed after the cough but anything else is futile I've lived here long enough to see the eyes roll back in the head and the" ohh no you did ent " pose" thick as **** ..

martingriff

Stheno wrote: »

Are open pubs allowed have live music?

With the time limit (which I say well be the same for pubs) is there a point it is normally why would they bother. I go to pubs is to see music so would like it to happen though

Eod100

This would seem to rule out travel to most places for a long time if it was followed. I guess maybe he's saying the ideal thing for public health, government likely will have to balance it. https://twitter.com/SaturdayRTE/status/1279850604400164864?s=19