Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

stephenjmcd

Stheno wrote: »

Are open pubs allowed have live music?

Yeah they can if they want

Santy2015

martingriff wrote: »

With the time limit (which I say well be the same for pubs) is there a point it is normally why would they bother. I go to pubs is to see music so would like it to happen though

Do you think the 105mins will apply to the ordinary pub come the 20th? I can’t see that happening. I’ve seen sweet FA about how they’ll reopen yet.. going by my own town, realistically only 1 pub will be able to open fully with the 1 metre rule and make a few bob. The other 10 will struggle. All tidy places no function/restaurant rooms to speak of.
Plus I can’t see the barman who’s usually the owner kicking his/her main customer out after 105 mins.

Stheno

martingriff wrote: »

With the time limit (which I say well be the same for pubs) is there a point it is normally why would they bother. I go to pubs is to see music so would like it to happen though

One of the places near me has had live music the past three nights,it markets itself as a music venue

I looked it up and music performances are part of phase three subject to distancing and a risk assessment

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

This would seem to rule out travel to most places for a long time if it was followed. I guess maybe he's saying the ideal thing for public health, government likely will have to balance it. https://twitter.com/SaturdayRTE/status/1279850604400164864?s=19

stopped listening to his interviews a while ago, he changes his opinion as much as the weather changes. Only recently he said your chances of getting it in Ireland were one in a million, then the other day says its not under control here.

Next week he'll have another opinion to counteract last weeks.

What he suggested in that interview simply won't happen

Stheno

stephenjmcd wrote: »

stopped listening to his interviews a while ago, he changes his opinion as much as the weather changes. Only recently he said your chances of getting it in Ireland were one in a million, then the other day says its not under control here.

Next week he'll have another opinion to counteract last weeks.

What he suggested in that interview simply won't happen

He was telling us all to go shopping a couple of weeks ago

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

stopped listening to his interviews a while ago, he changes his opinion as much as the weather changes. Only recently he said your chances of getting it in Ireland were one in a million, then the other day says its not under control here.

Next week he'll have another opinion to counteract last weeks.

What he suggested in that interview simply won't happen

It's strange. Heard him being asked about measures being eased a few weeks back on radio and was very confident it was right idea. Then few days later signed a letter saying it was too fast. Seems to veer from optimistic to cautious very frequently. I can't see it happening either tbh

Polar101

Passed by my local pub - suburban Dublin - for the first time since they opened (they are only open 4 days a week) - I was expecting to see a huge drunk crowd outside. Instead, there were 2 people in the smoking area and a sign outside saying "Please queue here". Looked to be fairly busy inside, with tables set apart.

ShineOn7

"Publicans condemn images of street drinking in Dublin"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0705/1151476-covid-19-dublin/

A body representing publicans has strongly criticised images that have emerged on social media of people drinking on the streets of Dublin city centre last night.

The Licensed Vintners Association (LVA) said it "utterly condemns" the scenes, saying it is in no way acceptable and "completely jeopardises" public health.

It also said it fully supports measures being taken by gardaí to manage these issues.

In a statement, the LVA said while it believes most pubs and customers are following reopening guidelines, there have been similar scenes in Dublin city centre over the last few weekends.

It reminded pubs who are serving takeaway drinks of their responsibilities.
It said that garda advice is that takeaway drinks must be consumed more than 100 metres from the pub where it was sold and that gardaí have the power to confiscate alcohol being consumed on the road or in a public place.
The LVA also criticised the fact that people are drinking alcohol from off-licences on the streets of the capital, saying it presents "a terrible image of our city centre" and that it is "potentially extremely damaging to public health".

It also said it has a negative impact on the efforts being made by responsible businesses that are beginning the process of recovery.
Licensed premises reopened last Monday under Phase 3 of the roadmap to kickstart the economy.

At present, pubs are only allowed serve alcohol to customers who purchase a "substantial" meal costing at least €9.
Pubs who do not operate this restaurant-style service must remain closed until Phase 4 of the roadmap begins on 20 July.
Customers should only be on the premises for 105 minutes.

Health worker Laura Durcan, who lives in Dublin city centre, shared her thoughts of last night's images.
She tweeted: "Town is horrendous tonight. Drunken crowds everywhere. No distancing.
"I am not the fun police, but I am really really worried about two weeks' time."


Former minister for health Simon Harris said: "C'mon everyone. We've come too far to go back.
"Great to see our economy reopened & social life resuming but let's keep using our cop on and common sense.
"We owe it to each other, to those families who have lost loved ones, to the local business we want to keep open and to our kids."

Boggles

Pubs will be the first to close back down.

It's inevitable.

Eod100

Santy2015 wrote: »

Do you think the 105mins will apply to the ordinary pub come the 20th? I can’t see that happening. I’ve seen sweet FA about how they’ll reopen yet.. going by my own town, realistically only 1 pub will be able to open fully with the 1 metre rule and make a few bob. The other 10 will struggle. All tidy places no function/restaurant rooms to speak of.
Plus I can’t see the barman who’s usually the owner kicking his/her main customer out after 105 mins.

I don't think guidelines are out for wet pubs after the 20th. Guess if they're not out next week, will have to be week after.

Was wondering will people still have to pre-book and have time limit but can't see guidelines changing hugely, whether pubs can or will be able to enforce is another question.

I guess not having to order food anymore means there's more drinking time but more drinking probably means it's harder to shift people after the time. Especially if they don't have a booking, how are they meant to keep track?

Santy2015

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't think guidelines are out for wet pubs after the 20th. Guess if they're not out next week, will have to be week after.

Was wondering will people still have to pre-book and have time limit but can't see guidelines changing hugely, whether pubs can or will be able to enforce is another question.

I guess not having to order food anymore means there's more drinking time but more drinking probably means it's harder to shift people after the time. Especially if they don't have a booking, how are they meant to keep track?

Personally I think they can’t shift people out especially in rural towns. City’s you might have a chance.
I’d have no problem giving my details to my local and hopefully anyway as well the Covid app will be out. I’m certainly downloading it as I work in retail

Widdensushi

ShineOn7 wrote: »

"Publicans condemn images of street drinking in Dublin"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0705/1151476-covid-19-dublin/

Well they could hardly condone it, they are going to be under big pressure from all the bars that are due to open on the 20th not to **** it up. I don't think the bars will have to close again except in areas where there has to be a lockdown again. People will gradually begin to accept it again.

Eod100

Santy2015 wrote: »

Personally I think they can’t shift people out especially in rural towns. City’s you might have a chance.
I’d have no problem giving my details to my local and hopefully anyway as well the Covid app will be out. I’m certainly downloading it as I work in retail

Yeah there will likely be what should be happening in theory and what happens in practice. And rural areas might not have a Garda station anywhere near them either so chance of being inspected low.

Yeah would be great if app is out by 20th.

BorneTobyWilde

Boggles wrote: »

Pubs will be the first to close back down.

It's inevitable.

Should give them permission to open fully with no restrictions, just limit the age to 18-35.

martingriff

Santy2015 wrote: »

Do you think the 105mins will apply to the ordinary pub come the 20th? I can’t see that happening. I’ve seen sweet FA about how they’ll reopen yet.. going by my own town, realistically only 1 pub will be able to open fully with the 1 metre rule and make a few bob. The other 10 will struggle. All tidy places no function/restaurant rooms to speak of.
Plus I can’t see the barman who’s usually the owner kicking his/her main customer out after 105 mins.

Isn't the time limit due to the 1M rule no. I could be wrong about the limit but I was guessing it was

martingriff

Stheno wrote: »

One of the places near me has had live music the past three nights,it markets itself as a music venue

I looked it up and music performances are part of phase three subject to distancing and a risk assessment

Did not know that thanks for letting me know

Santy2015

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah there will likely be what should be happening in theory and what happens in practice. And rural areas might not have a Garda station anywhere near them either so chance of being inspected low.

Yeah would be great if app is out by 20th.

There’s a good ole Garda presence in my town so they’ll be more visible then other places

Eod100

Widdensushi wrote: »

Well they could hardly condone it, they are going to be under big pressure from all the bars that are due to open on the 20th not to **** it up. I don't think the bars will have to close again except in areas where there has to be a lockdown again. People will gradually begin to accept it again.

Restaurant association fairly critical too.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/close-businesses-selling-alcohol-to-on-street-drinkers-restaurant-group-says-1.4296636

Boggles

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Should give them permission to open fully with no restrictions, just limit the age to 18-35.

Yeah, didn't Fauci say the other day 18-35 year olds can't spread the virus to anyone else outside of a pub location.

#science

Polar101

Renjit wrote: »

Bald and bankrupt's update

Makes me question why Serbia is on the green travel list, at least.

Eod100

martingriff wrote: »

Isn't the time limit due to the 1M rule no. I could be wrong about the limit but I was guessing it was

I think so, is it that people who prebook can be 1m as pub would have their details if contact traced?

I think walk-ups then need to be 2m if details not taken. But guess if they are could be 1m?

I dunno if that's 100% though, guidelines seem so up in the air about pubs tbh

iamwhoiam

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Should give them permission to open fully with no restrictions, just limit the age to 18-35.

Good idea . And let them spread it all over the country again .

Assetbacked

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-no-further-deaths-reported-as-doctor-warns-second-wave-weeks-away-1.4296767?mode=amp

Christ almighty, why are these moaners given such airtime? An article based on a doctor's own opinion of people enjoying a night out last night being likely to result in a second wave of covid. He even says he had anxiety induced from what he saw, perhaps the doctor should see a doctor. Such nonsense which just makes the impressionable reader base unnecessarily fearful.

Jim_Hodge

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Should give them permission to open fully with no restrictions, just limit the age to 18-35.

This has to be a wind up. Nobody could be that naïve. How do these under 35s prevent spreading a virus?

Edit: You know, don't bother with answering.

Eod100

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Should give them permission to open fully with no restrictions, just limit the age to 18-35.

I think this misses the point that this is a highly infectious disease. It wouldn't be limited to those people, they will be interacting with people naturally after that, getting public transport or renting shared bike to work, mixing with people in work, going to supermarket, going to other pubs, restaurants, cafes, etc visiting friends, family. Any of the could have underlying conditions or have relatives who have underlying conditions.

Yes the virus is low but there have been months of restrictions which are gradually being eased. This phase and next will be the times when people most mix since before restrictions in March so need to still be cautious.

Eod100

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-no-further-deaths-reported-as-doctor-warns-second-wave-weeks-away-1.4296767?mode=amp

Christ almighty, why are these moaners given such airtime? An article based on a doctor's own opinion of people enjoying a night out last night being likely to result in a second wave of covid. He even says he had anxiety induced from what he saw, perhaps the doctor should see a doctor. Such nonsense which just makes the impressionable reader base unnecessarily fearful.

To be fair he's one person giving his personal opinion. He's just come off months of probably one of the most difficult periods in his career. Can understand why he would see it as a fairly jarring sight to come across.

I don't necessarily agree that there will be a second wave but can see his pov.

ACitizenErased

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-no-further-deaths-reported-as-doctor-warns-second-wave-weeks-away-1.4296767?mode=amp

Christ almighty, why are these moaners given such airtime? An article based on a doctor's own opinion of people enjoying a night out last night being likely to result in a second wave of covid. He even says he had anxiety induced from what he saw, perhaps the doctor should see a doctor. Such nonsense which just makes the impressionable reader base unnecessarily fearful.

The article also states that "one infected person" was let out of hospital. As if they're letting COVID zombies roam the streets.

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The article also states that "one infected person" was let out of hospital. As if they're letting COVID zombies roam the streets.

Yeah guess that really should have been previously infected. Could definitely have been worded better!

Assetbacked

Eod100 wrote: »

To be fair he's one person giving his personal opinion. He's just come off months of probably one of the most difficult periods in his career. Can understand why he would see it as a fairly jarring sight to come across.

I don't necessarily agree that there will be a second wave but can see his pov.

But it's the fact the IT made a whole article based on negative quotes from him, which arent based on facts, for example, where was the spike after the June Bank Holiday with thousands of people out meeting and congregating. It's as if the IT wanted to keep up a negative narrative about covid, which is absurd as we are in an excellent position in Ireland in terms of community transmission, hospital capacity etc.

BorneTobyWilde

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

This has to be a wind up. Nobody could be that naïve. How do these under 35s prevent spreading a virus?

Edit: You know, don't bother with answering.

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

fritzelly

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

So anyone over 35 is classed as old
Let me guess your age...

Eod100

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

There's close to 700,000 people over age of 65, why should they have to isolate for months just so pubs can cram in as many people as possible? If anything less people might be inclined to go if that was the case. People have lasted close to 4 months without pubs being open, they can do a few more months of social distancing.

fr336

- Former chief scientific advisor to UK goverment wants England faces another 27,000 deaths if goverment plan isnt adjusted.

- Group of over 200 scientists demand WHO acknowledge Covid is an airbourne virus which can linger in the air and therefore masks should be compulsory indoors.

iamwhoiam

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

Yeh thanks for that . So i go into isolation so that you can go out on the pIss . Are you 12 years old ?

martingriff

Eod100 wrote: »

There's close to 700,000 people over age of 65, why should they have to isolate for months just so pubs can cram in as many people as possible? If anything less people might be inclined to go if that was the case. People have lasted close to 4 months without pubs being open, they can do a few more months of social distancing.

Don' forget also those with underlying conditions and then people not meeting them. But hey the poster needs a pint and does not care about anyone else

Jim_Hodge

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

:D:D:D


Thought so. Wind up, naïve or both.

bb1234567

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If you take 7 EU countries that add up to same population of USA, you'd find it would add up to far more deaths than the USA have had.
USA is finding 100's of 1000's of positives results of covid of late, but very few deaths.

USA is still averaging 500-600 deaths per day, hardly very few ! The leading cause of death ,cardiovascular disease , kills 1700 Americans per day. So the covid deaths are still high when put into context.

Eod100

martingriff wrote: »

Don' forget also those with underlying conditions and then people not meeting them. But hey the poster needs a pint and does not care about anyone else

Of course, mentioned them in my other post. Especially bar staff who will have no choice to interact with people and could have siblings, parents, grannies, sons, daughters etc with underlying conditions.

Just one example, Ireland has one of the highest rates of cystic fibrosis rates in the world. Think it's 1 in 19 here. Not right or fair that people have to continue to cocoon just so pubs can cram people in.

If we need to live with the virus then it's everyone needs to live with it, not just the young and healthy. And with this virus even that may not prevent you from getting seriously ill or dying. Some perspective needed here.

SeaBreezes

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The article also states that "one infected person" was let out of hospital. As if they're letting COVID zombies roam the streets.

This all started with 'one infected person'...

fr336

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-no-further-deaths-reported-as-doctor-warns-second-wave-weeks-away-1.4296767?mode=amp

Christ almighty, why are these moaners given such airtime? An article based on a doctor's own opinion of people enjoying a night out last night being likely to result in a second wave of covid. He even says he had anxiety induced from what he saw, perhaps the doctor should see a doctor. Such nonsense which just makes the impressionable reader base unnecessarily fearful.

What are you banging on about all the drinkers out last night didnt look too fearful did they. Theres being fearful and theres not caring at all - some people defintely fall into the latter. Balance is good.

ACitizenErased

SeaBreezes wrote: »

This all started with 'one infected person'...

A person leaves a hospital when they're not infected.............

ACitizenErased

Courtesy of @HuskiesAgency on Twitter.

SeaBreezes

SeaBreezes wrote: »

This all started with 'one infected person'...

We don’t know it started with one infected person. For all we know 100 people in Wuhan may have made contact with the infected bat(s). Also we certainly know that the spread in Ireland did not start with one infected person. Almost 500 cases associated with travel, the majority of which arrived in March, not to mention the countless other who were asymptomatic or could not get a test in the early days. I would put a conservative estimate at 1,000 seed cases in Ireland from abroad.Will be much easier to control and trace from our current position

ShineOn7

Dublin GP: "It felt like All Ireland final night"

Images of packed crowds in Dublin city last night prompt criticism

God help the lad. Not only did he have to see 3 months of sacrifice scoffed at, he also had to talk to Brendan O'Connor

Speaking on RTÉ Radio One’s Brendan O’Connor show this morning, Dr Maitiu O Tuathail described the city as “completely rammed” with people socialising and said there was a “festival atmosphere”.

“It was profoundly upsetting to be honest,” Ó Tuathail said.

His sentiments were echoed by former health minister Simon Harris this morning, who tweeted: “C’mon everyone. We’ve come too far to go back.”

Full article here https://www.thejournal.ie/drinking-crowds-dublin-5141940-Jul2020/

fr336

ShineOn7 wrote: »

God help the lad. Not only did he have to see 3 months of sacrifice scoffed at, he also had to talk to Brendan O'Connor



Full article here https://www.thejournal.ie/drinking-crowds-dublin-5141940-Jul2020/

"A slap in the face to those who have broken their backs to keep the country running" ain't that the truth. The doctors and nurses saving people's lives, the shop staff keeping people topped up with booze and other luxuries during the worst of lock down. Personally I'd have made supermarkets essential goods only during that time.

fritzelly

fr336 wrote: »

"A slap in the face to those who have broken their backs to keep the country running" ain't that the truth. The doctors and nurses saving people's lives, the shop staff keeping people topped up with booze and other luxuries during the worst of lock down.

Then the bars say feck you all we need more money

fr336 wrote: »

Personally I'd have made supermarkets essential goods only during that time.

Christ - you want people locked down and not even able to have a drink - life of the party you

SeaBreezes

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We don’t know it started with one infected person. For all we know 100 people in Wuhan may have made contact with the infected bat(s). Also we certainly know that the spread in Ireland did not start with one infected person. Almost 500 cases associated with travel, the majority of which arrived in March, not to mention the countless other who were asymptomatic or could not get a test in the early days. I would put a conservative estimate at 1,000 seed cases in Ireland from abroad.Will be much easier to control and trace from our current position

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms

Looks likely was a lab escapee

fritzelly

SeaBreezes wrote: »

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms

Looks likely was a lab escapee

Twice you've posted the same dated article in the past few hours

It has been debunked

youandme13

fritzelly wrote: »

Then the bars say feck you all we need more money




Christ - you want people locked down and not even able to have a drink - life of the party you

Well in South Africa's lockdown they weren't allowed buy alcohol or smokes, they had a day or two to stock up for the length of lockdown. Alcohol is not essential.

deathbomber

Deleted User wrote: »

We don’t know it started with one infected person. For all we know 100 people in Wuhan may have made contact with the infected bat(s). Also we certainly know that the spread in Ireland did not start with one infected person. Almost 500 cases associated with travel, the majority of which arrived in March, not to mention the countless other who were asymptomatic or could not get a test in the early days. I would put a conservative estimate at 1,000 seed cases in Ireland from abroad.Will be much easier to control and trace from our current position

And what is your expertise? What do you do for a living - your talking crap mate!