Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Tordelback

owlbethere wrote: »

We moved mountains as a country and a population to control the spread of the virus. I've been pro restrictions from the early days but now I don't care any more. I see so many people who are so rude when coughing and sneezing in public and it's always from the older generation. At this stage, let the virus rip through the population and fcuk the mannerless c*nts into their ICU beds and graves.

There's that honesty I was looking for. F*ck you too.

ACitizenErased

is_that_so wrote: »

There was a quote from the Commissioner who said Dublin was treated as a public order incident otherwise it was generally good all round.

Why are they going restricting pubs so? Michael Martin said on Cork’s RedFM today pubs mightn’t be unrestricted in two weeks.

Igotadose

Gruffalox wrote: »

I was looking at Israel because they are shutting bars and gyms again and I noticed they have almost 9 million pop in 22000 square miles, we have 5 million pop in 80000 square miles ( all approx.). They have recorded 30000 cases recorded, us 25000. Dont know if their testing is as good as us. They have had 300 deaths, us 1700 aprox. We have not done all that splendidly given the space we have.

I think if you look deeper you'll see Israel's done quite well wrt testing. 120,000 per million (versus 90,000 for Ireland). Further, they got into testing *very* early on. They've had 36 deaths per million, Ireland 353.

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Why are they going restricting pubs so? Michael Martin said on Cork’s RedFM today pubs mightn’t be unrestricted in two weeks.

It's that Dublin thing and another "Now,children" speech!

Igotadose

is_that_so wrote: »

Eh? How did Japan get into this? That's just evidence of mask wearing in Japan.

It's evidence that mask wearing prevents disease spread, and by correlation, the disease is spread by aerosols or droplets when breathing/singing/coughing.

I was responding to someone saying we need a study to put to bed (something) about aerosols and Covid. We don't. Japan proves that masks work well enough to stop wasting time on studies that confirm it's spread in the air, and just wear masks.

What Username Guidelines

MD1990 wrote: »

352 new cases in the UK. 16 deaths.

Great to see that the UK are finally showing some real progress.

Whats interesting me here is these are similar to Italy figures from about 2 weeks back, with a similar population size, and the peak is approx 2 weeks in the difference as well. Italy had more deaths per day 2 weeks ago but we know UK monday numbers are far lower due to their weekend effect. But very different lockdowns, italian was extremely strict, vs a more lax approach in UK.

Could this mean it's just following the same pattern everywhere? What was most interesting to me was that London was hit hard, but peaked and fell before the rest of the UK, even though lockdown was imposed country-wide at same time.

What Username Guidelines

is_that_so wrote: »

There was a quote from the Commissioner who said Dublin was treated as a public order incident otherwise it was generally good all round.

There was a quote from the Commissioner who said Dame Lane was treated as a public order incident otherwise it was generally good all round.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/justice-minister-warns-of-fresh-pubs-crackdown-if-rules-continue-to-be-broken-39343668.html

The Garda Commissioner said that over the weekend Gardai carried out 6,000 visits to licensed premises and, "what we found were the vast majority were compliant. We did find breaches of the regulations, we also found breaches of the licensing laws as well in a minority of cases.

"We also found a situation which was highlighted on social media in Dame Lane (Dublin), which was a public order situation and was dealt with as such.’

‘This has been a collective effort by society, I know there was shock at the scenes over the weekend, those scenes were pretty much isolated to one place. The broader picture is one of compliance and people particularly businesses doing their best."

ninebeanrows

It’s a sad day when a country’s leader panders to social media hype and curtain twitching brigade

Isolated incidents blown into big issue, threatening the Irish populous with his Uber conservatism

cnocbui

is_that_so wrote: »

And again no evidence of it "lingering". What you can say is a choir will be pretty close together.

I'll tell you what; I am not satisfied with the NCAP crash testing of cars using dummies, so I'll just I volunteer a suitable substitute - namely yourself - so that I can be satisfied that the tests are applicable to real life events.

Coronavirus Lingers in Air of Crowded Spaces, New Study Finds
Marthe Fourcade
27/04/2020
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People produce two types of droplets when they breathe, cough or talk. Larger ones drop to the ground before they evaporate, causing contamination mostly via the objects on which they settle. Smaller ones -- those that make up aerosols -- can hang in the air for hours.

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They found few aerosols in patient wards, supermarkets and residential buildings. Many more were detected in toilets and two areas that had large crowds passing through, including an indoor space near one of the hospitals.

Especially high concentrations appeared in the rooms where medical staff doff protective equipment, which may suggest that particles contaminating their gear became airborne again when masks, gloves and gowns are removed.

The findings highlight the importance of ventilation, limiting crowds and careful sanitation efforts, the researchers said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-lingers-in-air-of-crowded-spaces-new-study-finds/ar-BB13gyyG

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Has there been any pub incidents outside of Dublin? I didn’t see any in Cork. Seems a bit strange that the Taoiseach wants to restrict pubs again when it’s a Dublin issue if there’s been no incidents outside of there.

I'd say probably but maybe people there didn't film it and post it online potentially. I don't think the government would actually do that when they brought forward date pubs could open by 3 weeks. Would reflect badly on them and vinters would go mad.

An Ciarraioch

8 deaths and 208 cases in Italy today.

Eod100

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

8 deaths and 208 cases in Italy today.

Jaysus thought that was Ireland for a second

Eod100

Travel still advised against til 20th as reported https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1280172579760869377?s=19

ACitizenErased

Eod100 wrote: »

Travel still advised against til 20th as reported https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1280172579760869377?s=19

You mean travel thats advised against but nothing will really happen to you if you do travel and they're only saying it's advised against because they know everyone's going to do it anyway, right?

gifted

So flights are still flying out?

And flights are still coming in?

ACitizenErased

COVID dashboard just updated, the new positivity rate for the past 7 days is just 0.2% in Ireland with 42,000 tests conducted in the past 7 days including 6500 in the last 24 hours.

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You mean travel thats advised against but nothing will really happen to you if you do travel and they're only saying it's advised against because they know everyone's going to do it anyway, right?

Don't shoot the messenger! Its same guidelines as always and like with all guidelines people always have option whether to follow or not sure. But think it means travel insurance wouldn't be valid for travel so does have some practical consequences

ACitizenErased

Eod100 wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger! Its same guidelines as always and like with all guidelines people always have option whether to follow or not sure. But think it means travel insurance wouldn't be valid for travel so does have some practical consequences

Yeah I'm only messing. They're saying a lot and doing very little!

fritzelly

No essential travel banned til the 20th - confirmed

Nijmegen

17% of new cases related to overseas travel. Worrying how obvious it is what a problem it is, yet no actual firm rules or hard enforcement of arrival isolation.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1280173392533094401?s=21

Assetbacked

17% of a very low number is nothing to worry about and is not surprising considering the risk is from abroad and not from within Ireland.

MerlinSouthDub

ACitizenErased wrote: »

COVID dashboard just updated, the new positivity rate for the past 7 days is just 0.2% in Ireland with 42,000 tests conducted in the past 7 days including 6500 in the last 24 hours.

The number of positive cases has increased by 56 over the past 48 hours (they don't update on Sunday).

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah I'm only messing. They're saying a lot and doing very little!

Ah I know! At same time not sure what else they could do. Saw Dr. Colm Henry said he would support mandatory quarantine for people arriving from high risk country but not sure that will ever happen. Think gov is hoping non essential travel advice and existence of guidelines on self isolation may deter people but no legal basis or massive enforcement so not major deterrent

ACitizenErased

They're so worried about international travel yet we're doing literally nothing about it. Increase the testing base, hire more labs, test on arrival, enforce mandatory quarantine. It's not rocket science like.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Has there been any pub incidents outside of Dublin? I didn’t see any in Cork. Seems a bit strange that the Taoiseach wants to restrict pubs again when it’s a Dublin issue if there’s been no incidents outside of there.

Its not even a pub issue, they were standing around with bags of cans. Not exactly sure how the pubs can take the flack for it

Assetbacked

fritzelly wrote: »

No essential travel banned til the 20th - confirmed

Banned? Not sure banned is the right word. "not advised" is more appropriate.

All these arrivals to and departures from Dublin Airport today are evidence that travel is not banned. I hardly believe they were all essential as well.

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-arrivals
https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures

Eod100

Assetbacked wrote: »

Banned? Not sure banned is the right word. "not advised" is more appropriate.

All these arrivals to and departures from Dublin Airport today are evidence that travel is not banned. I hardly believe they were all essential as well.

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-arrivals
https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures

Wonder what sort of capacity were on those flights though?

Santy2015

I see on the Covid hub that the positivity rate dropped from 6.3 to 6.1% just there 6500 tests done over the weekend.

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

There was a quote from the Commissioner who said Dublin was treated as a public order incident otherwise it was generally good all round.

Yup he was happy enough said the vast majority were complient and dame lane was treated as a public order incident which it was seeing as people went to the shops and came back with cans

schmoo2k

Igotadose wrote: »

Japan is proof of concept that wearing a mask reduces the spread. It has 30 times the population of Ireland, fewer deaths due to Covid despite the disease being present longer and a MUCH higher population density.

I recommend distancing, hand washing and so on, but if I were limited to just one thing I could do, it would be wear a mask.

I don't buy that - take Thailand as a counter example, does not have a tradition of mask wearing and their numbers are better than Japans.

Don't get me wrong I think mask wearing can help - but not as much as distancing, handwashing and good ventilation. I am still in favour of mask wearing in congested places with poor ventilation.

PopTarts

Around 6500 tests completed in last 24 hours.

ninebeanrows

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The number of positive cases has increased by 56 over the past 48 hours (they don't update on Sunday).

So we expecting 38 cases today ?

caveat emptor

Fairly clear the logic being applied.

Economy > schools > travel

If travel causes outbreak....
Schools won’t open in September.....
People will struggle to get to work without kids in school.....
Economy would be more fvcked then, than if we were to give air travel green light.

MM doing right thing. Could do with Leo’s spin doctor for the polish. Substance more important than style in this scenario.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Why are they going restricting pubs so? Michael Martin said on Cork’s RedFM today pubs mightn’t be unrestricted in two weeks.

to slap everyone on the wrist and give them a warning. Its childish to be honest

shinzon

Stephen Donnelly at the press conference saying the contact tracing app is set to launch tomorrow.


Shin

ninebeanrows

caveat emptor wrote: »

Fairly clear the logic being applied.

Economy > schools > travel

If travel causes outbreak....
Schools won’t open in September.....
People will struggle to get to work without kids in school.....
Economy would be more fvcked then, than if we were to give air travel green light.

MM doing right thing. Could do with Leo’s spin doctor for the polish. Substance more important than style in this scenario.

What has MM done?

He is treating the US I he same as Luxembourg or any zero covid country

MerlinSouthDub

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

So we expecting 38 cases today ?

No. This is positive tests, so includes multiple positive tests for the same positive case.

Level 42

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

It’s a sad day when a country’s leader panders to social media hype and curtain twitching brigade

Isolated incidents blown into big issue, threatening the Irish populous with his Uber conservatism

Nanny state

Plumbthedepths

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You mean travel thats advised against but nothing will really happen to you if you do travel and they're only saying it's advised against because they know everyone's going to do it anyway, right?

If the government don't want people to travel they can impose a travel ban, why the dithering is beyond me. I have friends travelling to Malaga in August. I'm going away aswell.

stephenjmcd

fritzelly wrote: »

No essential travel banned til the 20th - confirmed

Well its not really banned as there really isn't anything to stop someone going on holidays if they want to. Fill in the form on your way back in simple as

Plumbthedepths

fritzelly wrote: »

No essential travel banned til the 20th - confirmed

It's not banned, there is an advisory not to travel.

Morrison J

Lot of positives to take from this imo. Overall message far clearer. Really hitting home the message to not travel and being strong about it. Not the half arsed, non-committed sort of message about travel and face masks we've been getting from the previous government.

App launching tomorrow.

Designated "co-vid team" to be arranged to help improve contact tracing.

Looking into the idea of testing at airports.

Already a far more proactive feel to this new government. More positives in that than anything Leo and Harris have been saying for the last 4 months.

Leftwaffe

If the gov rules in regards to pubs weren't absolutely rubbish in the first place there would be no issue. Blaming the people again for their incompetence.

fritzelly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well its not really banned as there really isn't anything to stop someone going on holidays if they want to. Fill in the form on your way back in simple as

Yeah banned wrong word but telling us not to travel - still not stopping anyone come here while telling us not to leave the country
Double standards

What Username Guidelines

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well its not really banned as there really isn't anything to stop someone going on holidays if they want to. Fill in the form on your way back in simple as

Minor change will be a digitised form in the coming weeks, with data directly from airline. Assume it'll be a check box when checking in or a separate form to be filled when checking in/booking, similar to advanced passenger info that come countries require.

stephenjmcd

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If the government don't want people to travel they can impose a travel ban, why the dithering is beyond me. I have friends travelling to Malaga in August. I'm going away aswell.

likewise off to Lanzarote in August.

They love throwing out the 17% of cases are travel related, 17% of how many cases ?? A bit of reality would be give the number of cases not the percentage.

But sure look we must know different than every other country in the EU.

They may forget about a bigger chunk of the EU recovery fund as well. Not a hope in hell would Ireland get a bigger amount now when we're out on our own in terms of travel

stephenjmcd

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Minor change will be a digitised form in the coming weeks, with data directly from airline. Assume it'll be a check box when checking in or a separate form to be filled when checking in/booking, similar to advanced passenger info that come countries require.

Yup have filled those sort of forms in on airlines websites before travelling a few times, very straight forward

fritzelly

MM saying lots of words and not making an actual point

CruelSummer

The press conference was an absolute joke. We don’t have a new ‘Government’, we’ve a crowd of chancers not fit to occupy their positions.
Stephen Donnelly who can be so vocal in opposition, gets his chance and hides behind NPHET. This is not governing. You need to take the information to hand and make a broad decision based on the effects to all society, not just tunnel eradication vision.
If this new ‘Government’ are saying don’t travel - cancel the flights. Reimburse families of their thousands invested and don’t dare pretend this is one for the team, it is not. There are plenty of EU destinations perfectly safe to visit which our counterparts are doing right now.
Don’t allow in US citizens and U.K. and pretend we’ve a ‘quarantine’ which we don’t.
Why were so many over 60s on a flight to Alicante today from Cork? Check the Spain travel thread.
And don’t even get me started about the economy and how many jobs this is going to cost people? Why are we so different to Germany who are currently able to travel all across the EU?!

ACitizenErased

doobie doobie doo thats all Martin says