Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Clonmel1000

GooglePlus wrote: »

Two of those have seen a resurgence.

A resurgence as in localised spikes is it? What about England?

ACitizenErased

GooglePlus wrote: »

Almost all have, yes.

Can you name these countries?

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I personally believe that, with the sophistication of our contact tracing system and our mass testing programmes, a second wave is not inevitable.

Plus we now have a new toy to add to the toolset. Even if there is a larger rise in cases we now know the likely pressure points and can focus on those more intently. There will not be a repetition of what happened in care homes. We're mentally ready too, given that about 75% are expecting/looking forward to a 2nd wave!

ACitizenErased

I'm nearly 100% certain today's cases include a backlog - zero cases recorded for Dublin on Saturday, now Dublin -15 for Sunday with incredibly low cases yesterday, I reckon Dublin will see a jump tomorrow.

Assetbacked

On the denotification point. In the same way these could be from a few weeks ago, the 24 new cases could also have accumulated. So I would go for an increase of 7 cases.

Remember, cases are pretty meaningless by themselves as getting to zero is not the aim. Treating those that need treatment is the aim of the balancing act.

schmoo2k

shinzon wrote: »

Its updated to miui 10.2.1 which is the last operating system update for that phone and is on 6.0.1 of Android

Shin

Yea I suspect the google covid layer came out after that - it does mean your not getting the latest security updates which is a pain and you will need to be somewhat careful (don't want to get a virus on your phone - see what I did there!!!)

Santy2015

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The "de notified cases" thing is very misunderstood. Unless I'm getting this very wrong, but this was how it was explained to be by a HSE worker friend:

Those 17 cases could have happened anytime in the last 3 months and then been de-notified

They have absolutely nothing to do with today's 24 cases

Fully understand it, don’t worry.
It’s the fact we could’ve had a couple of days of no cases in the past month is what I’m saying

ACitizenErased

ESTIMATES: How COVID-19 is spreading
Community Transmission 8420 (-55)
Close Contacts 16482 (+17)
Travel Abroad 587 (-)

is_that_so

Assetbacked wrote: »

On the denotification point. In the same way these could be from a few weeks ago, the 24 new cases could also have accumulated. So I would go for an increase of 7 cases.

Remember, cases are pretty meaningless by themselves as getting to zero is not the aim. Treating those that need treatment is the aim of the balancing act.

It's a bit like the old cases that went to Germany. They didn't affect current reporting but were added to the total. So today would be 24 and the total would be -17 is how I'd see it.

ACitizenErased

Assetbacked wrote: »

On the denotification point. In the same way these could be from a few weeks ago, the 24 new cases could also have accumulated. So I would go for an increase of 7 cases.

Remember, cases are pretty meaningless by themselves as getting to zero is not the aim. Treating those that need treatment is the aim of the balancing act.

I think the biggest sign of this is Dublin had 0 cases for the past two days. Doesn't make any sense.

cnocbui

Stheno wrote: »

That's almost five years old and using a very old version of Android if it's not been updated.

My phone runs Bada, what is Android? ;-)

Lollipop95

I can’t understand how Florida and Texas aren’t locking down again, things don’t seem to be improving in either states at all and I see Trump is scheduled to visit Florida in a couple of days.

Non solum non ambulabit

GooglePlus wrote: »

Almost all countries coming out of lockdown are seeing a resurgence.

Considering nearly all countries that have eased lockdowns are in Europe, Asia and Oceania I would contend otherwise.

cnocbui

Hector Savage wrote: »

So tolerant of you ...

What can I say, I rather like the Amazon as it is.

Funsterdelux

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

New to boards.ie. Just reading through some of this thread. So many posts!

Have one question. We've done well and are continuing to do so. I know it's a bit of a 'what are the lotto numbers' question but what do posters think is the likelihood of a second wave later in the year?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I personally believe that, with the sophistication of our contact tracing system and our mass testing programmes, a second wave is not inevitable.

I'd agree with what AC said, but would add that people's attitude and behaviour would also need to be consistant.

2nd waves might be more of a thing in developing nations or developed nations with pschycopaths in charge.

Clonmel1000

GooglePlus wrote: »

Almost all have, yes.

Care to elaborate on that?

AdamD

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

All the app fans, will you self-isolate for 14 days if you get an exposure alert (i.e. the point of the app?)

Surely the point would also be to go get tested

Go Home Paddy Cat!!

Santy2015 wrote: »

17 cases denotified as well so not all bad.

what does denotified mean in this context?

ACitizenErased

The positive tests on the COVID dashboard for the last 24 hours is +13, basically confirming that today was a backlog.

cnocbui

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Considering nearly all countries that have eased lockdowns are in Europe, Asia and Oceania I would contend otherwise.

Well that's wrong for a start:

Resurgence of virus threatens South Korea's success story

Singapore sees sharp rise in coronavirus cases as the country once seen as a model for tackling Covid-19 is hit by fast-moving second wave of infections

China steps up emergency footing as coronavirus flares up again in Beijing

Iran warns of virus resurgence after 51 new deaths

Shall I continue?

GooglePlus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can you name these countries?

The WHO only noted the resurgence in Europe two weeks ago. Baltic States and a lot of eastern Europe.

China, South Korea, Japan, Australia.

iamwhoiam

Would anyone know if you have to have mobile data switched on an I phone to have the Covid app work ?
My husband never turns on mobile data and uses only wifi

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

ESTIMATES: How COVID-19 is spreading
Community Transmission 8420 (-55)

Is that minus 55 cases Citizen?

ACitizenErased

cnocbui wrote: »

Well that's wrong for a start:

-

Shall I continue?

South Korea reported 44 more COVID-19 cases on Tuesday, with the number of imported cases exceeding domestic cases for the first time in two weeks, report the Korean Herald.

South Korea imported...

The vast majority of Tuesday's cases were 134 work permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories, MOH said.

Singapore imported...

Beijing on Tuesday (July 7) reported zero new coronavirus cases for the first time since the emergence of a cluster in the Chinese capital in June that prompted fears of a domestic second wave.

Beijing 0 cases.

Iran's first wave never ended.


Shall I continue?

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Is that minus 55 cases Citizen?

yes

ACitizenErased

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Would anyone know if you have to have mobile data switched on an I phone to have the Covid app work ?
My husband never turns on mobile data and uses only wifi

It doesn't use data, only bluetooth

fritzelly

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Would anyone know if you have to have mobile data switched on an I phone to have the Covid app work ?
My husband never turns on mobile data and uses only wifi

No, just BT

GooglePlus

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Would anyone know if you have to have mobile data switched on an I phone to have the Covid app work ?
My husband never turns on mobile data and uses only wifi

No, as long as Bluetooth is on that app will store the identifier of anyone within two metres 15 minutes or longer. He'll just need to be connected if he wants to receive an exposure alert or upload his own close contacts.

iamwhoiam

GooglePlus wrote: »

No, as long as Bluetooth is on that app will store the identifier of anyone within two metres 15 minutes or longer. He'll just need to be connected if he wants to receive an exposure alert or upload his own close contacts.

Thank you everyone for replies

cnocbui

ACitizenErased wrote: »

...

Shall I continue?

No thanks, you have made my point. The virus can last longer than we can last economically, preventing humans from traveling.

Polar101

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

New to boards.ie. Just reading through some of this thread. So many posts!

Have one question. We've done well and are continuing to do so. I know it's a bit of a 'what are the lotto numbers' question but what do posters think is the likelihood of a second wave later in the year?

No-one can say for certain if there will be a 'second wave'. At the moment things look good - the new app launch will help with tracking and testing, and it looks like any clusters will be detected and dealt with (as was the case with the Sligo cluster earlier). But when international travel restrictions are eased, there will be more challenges.

If there is a vaccine sometime in the next year or so, we might be able to manage until then, without things getting out of control.

ACitizenErased

cnocbui wrote: »

No thanks, you have made my point. The virus can last longer than we can last economically, preventing humans from traveling.

Oh you're a WUM, fair enough.

Non solum non ambulabit

GooglePlus wrote: »

The WHO only noted the resurgence in Europe two weeks ago. Baltic States and a lot of eastern Europe.

China, South Korea, Japan, Australia.

Resurgence is strong language that doesn't fit the countries you quote. Israel is a example of country that would. But not nearly all countries. Not by a long shot. I could list 50 + countries that haven't.

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

yes

55 cases in Dublin de-notified?

What time span does that cover? A week?

Thanks

ACitizenErased

Latest testing data

Test Conducted (last 24 hours): 6,122
Total Tests (last 7 days): 44,355
Positive Tests (last 24 hours): +13 (proves backlog today, this is less than the 24 reported)
Positivity Rate (last 7 days): 0.2%

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

55 cases in Dublin de-notified?

What time span does that cover? A week?

Thanks

This is community transmission cases denotified, and re-allocated, Dublin was -15 yesterday

schmoo2k

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

All the app fans, will you self-isolate for 14 days if you get an exposure alert (i.e. the point of the app?)

Yes - and get tested - and be especially very carful around vulnerable folks.

shinzon

schmoo2k wrote: »

Yea I suspect the google covid layer came out after that - it does mean your not getting the latest security updates which is a pain and you will need to be somewhat careful (don't want to get a virus on your phone - see what I did there!!!)

Yeah Stephen Donnelly on RTE news there said it needs to be android version 7 or above for the app to work oh well, have been considering updating the phone for awhile but im just so damned attached to the old chuffer its like the little engine that could it just keeps going.

Shin

GooglePlus

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Resurgence is strong language that doesn't fit the countries you quote. Israel is a example of country that would. But not nearly all countries. Not by a long shot. I could list 50 + countries that haven't.

Fair enough, an increase in cases has been seen then.

When we do open back up fully and we see a further increase in international travel inward and out, do you think our track and trace system will be enough to prevent a second wave?

There's not a hope that our country will be as compliant with any form of lockdown during the winter months, especially around Christmas time. There's every chance that this virus will spread more effictively in the colder months with immune systems low so I just can't see us being out of the woods.

Stheno

I've installed the app but cannot enable the contact tracing piece. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Am checking for updates at the minute

ACitizenErased

Looks like there was a significant increase in Dublin yesterday.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280553588125810696?s=21

Non solum non ambulabit

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Looks like there was a significant increase in Dublin yesterday.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280553588125810696?s=21

Good info. Thanks

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Looks like there was a significant increase in Dublin yesterday.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280553588125810696?s=21

Thats a clinical diagnosis isn't it ? Not necessarily translating to a postive test.

I do think your right in saying today includes a backlog from Dublin as cases hadn't been reported in the last 2 days which is unusual

Santy2015

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats a clinical diagnosis isn't it ? Not necessarily translating to a postive test.

I do think your right in saying today includes a backlog from Dublin as cases hadn't been reported in the last 2 days which is unusual

If they are positives, they’d be notified tomorrow I assume?

stephenjmcd

Santy2015 wrote: »

If they are positives, they’d be notified tomorrow I assume?

Depends on how quick the test was processed. If they got done and to the labs yesterday they'll be in today's but yeah apart from that tomorrow will have any results returned today.

ACitizenErased

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats a clinical diagnosis isn't it ? Not necessarily translating to a postive test.

I do think your right in saying today includes a backlog from Dublin as cases hadn't been reported in the last 2 days which is unusual

I’m assuming it relates to positive notifications received by a GP because no doubt some GPs make a number of “diagnoses” a day

Plumbthedepths

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

New to boards.ie. Just reading through some of this thread. So many posts!

Have one question. We've done well and are continuing to do so. I know it's a bit of a 'what are the lotto numbers' question but what do posters think is the likelihood of a second wave later in the year?

I'm expecting at least 8 waves.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’m assuming it relates to positive notifications received by a GP because no doubt some GPs make a number of “diagnoses” a day

Yeah I'm fairly sure its a clinical diagnosis without a test, just going by the graph because it gives an average of those clinically diagnosed and the avg who meet the testing criteria. Nothing to mention confirmed cases.

Like I said I like yourself reckon there's been a delay in reporting in Dublin last 2 days. Will be interesting to see the county breakdown today

DevilsHaircut

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

France? Italy? Spain? Denmark? Belgium?

Suggest the Financial Times website as the best one for gauging resurgence and comparing countries.

BTW that link was for cases per million inhabitants rather than number of cases.


https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=fra&areas=ita&areas=esp&areas=prt&areas=grc&areas=irl&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=cases

podgeandrodge

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm expecting at least 8 waves.

Was with you up to 7, but quite frankly you'll have to persuade me further or provide a source for 8.