Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Are you denying that many (I`m not claiming all) of the younger brigade go on sun holidays to do precisely that? If you do deny it you are naïve.

Them young ones off going abroad drinking alcohol and fornicating it's a disgrace Joe I tell you.

ACitizenErased

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`ll try again. Do you or do you not agree that the reason many of a certain younger age group (I won`t use the word brigade as you appear to have an issue with that term) go on foreign sun holidays is to "go on the lash and look for a ride" as you described it in a previous post?

Thats a ridiculous statement. Completely irrelevant to the topic.

caveat emptor

Micky 32 wrote: »

I won’t be going on a plane this year. When i do next year it’s to see family and not for the sun, even though better weather helps.

It’s good to see that you won’t travel around Ireland if you’re also going to condemn european travel. It’s Less hypocritical because as you said we ain’t getting a zero.

Yeah look. I've no axe to grind. I'd love to go to the pub. I'd love to go to a restaurant. I'd love to go on two week holiday. I'd love to go travelling around Ireland even with a rain jacket.

Those industries need the money and jobs. I do sympathise with them that a once in a hundred year event has decimated lives in those sectors. It's on par with Fukushima, Chernobyl or a war. Those Iraqi barbers probably had a very tough deal in life. Most people didn't give a **** though as it didn't affect them. This crisis is affecting everyone but some more than others.

I just can honestly say I'd be happy with myself if I infected anybody. I'd probably be grand if I got but wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing what I know about the pandemic. I can't claim ignorance. I also know Ryanair couldn't give a fvck about the welfare of their passengers as their entire existence has revolved around shoving more passengers in smaller spaces with less things as standard. They make you pay for everything and turn the plane around in 20 mins. Separate families with children to get an extra fiver. Don't refund people etc. They used to enable cheap travel but they captured and concerned large parts of Europe market. Through agressive expansion and putting competitors out of business. This is all legal but unethical in my view.

Travelling for family etc is different story. This article kinda sums up my thinking.
I can drive anywhere in Europe if I need to. Way more difficult but probably safer.

Before you book, think

While there is no way to make air travel 100% safe, there are ways to make it safer. It’s important to think through the particulars for each trip.

One approach to your decision-making is to use what occupational health experts call the hierarchy of controls. This approach does two things. It focuses on strategies to control exposures close to the source. Second, it minimizes how much you have to rely on individual human behavior to control exposure. It’s important to remember you may be infectious and everyone around you may also be infectious.

The best way to control exposure is to eliminate the hazard. Since we cannot eliminate the new coronavirus, ask yourself if you can eliminate the trip. Think extra hard if you are older or have preexisting conditions, or if you are going to visit someone in that position.

If you are healthy and those you visit are healthy, think about ways to substitute the hazard. Is it possible to drive? This would allow you to have more control over minimizing your exposures, particularly if the distance is less than a day of travel.

https://twitter.com/sjpetherbridge/status/1278277586955710464?s=20

s1ippy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't know why the government is indecisive and having arguments about so called air bridges.

There are countries like Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Germany etc we can open to with little threat. We can't stay shut off forever.

Not making clear decisions is doing unneeded damage.

That is most decidedly not where the flights to Dublin are coming from. Abu Dhabi, Doha, Dubai, Newcastle, London.

Plumbthedepths

alwald wrote: »

Keep lolling.

Thanks, will do. ;-)

LiquidZeb

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Believe it or not we live in a free democracy.....

Some people here seem to really resent that fact. There's a lot of stalinist Walter Mitty's hanging around here.

It’s been a while

bb1234567

https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

More research coming out about T cell immunity , levels of immunity in Sweden may be as high as 30% rather than the much lower figure found in antibody studies.

bb1234567

https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

More research coming out about T cell immunity , levels of immunity in Sweden may be as high as 30% rather than the much lower figure found in antibody studies.

Would mean IFR of covid is around 0.2% rather than the roughly 1% that earlier antibody testing results had predicted, though anecdontally it seems hard to believe it could be that low.

Plumbthedepths

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`ll try again. Do you or do you not agree that the reason many of a certain younger age group (I won`t use the word brigade as you appear to have an issue with that term) go on foreign sun holidays is to "go on the lash and look for a ride" as you described it in a previous post?

There also meet up here to do exactly what I said. Several of the natives in Cork got upset recently because the younger ones were doing just that. However if they wish to do so in sunnier climes they can't be stopped. Probably best to suggest they stay safe instead of wagging the finger would you not agree.

Micky 32

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's just one year of a person's life,.

It’s not though. According to most on here we’ll be having at least 100 waves and the virus is never going to go. So next year will run into another year, another year , another year and so on...... unless we are lucky to get a vaccine but the experts on here claim we won’t. So travelling with precautions will have to happen sooner or later.

Away With The Fairies

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There literally is a european wide ban....

A European wide ban on Americans? Except in Ireland.

Plumbthedepths

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's just one year of a person's life, that's really not too much to ask.
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Actually it's quite alot to ask and frankly people have the right to ignore the request. They only hope one can have is they follow all the hygiene and SD advice.

Away With The Fairies

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s not though. According to most on here we’ll be having at least 100 waves and the virus is never going to go. So next year will run into another year, another year , another year and so on...... unless we are lucky to get a vaccine but the experts on here claim we won’t. So travelling with precautions will have to happen sooner or later.

It's about minimising risks. Already one idiot who was meant to self isolating and went off to his parents for dinner.

Pubs open, let's go out with the mates instead of self isolating.

fr336

A part of me is delighted to see normality returning as people fly out on holiday. As someone with an interest in aviation it's great to see more and more flights going after months of seeing just the one airline. However what other description of people can you say but reckless and selfish? Of course it is. It's proof positive that probably 80% of people will always do this, whatever is happening, unless stopped from doing so by law or by airlines not offering the flights. It's also amusing that people need a holiday after months in lockdown and lazing around the house.

ACitizenErased

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

A European wide ban on Americans? Except in Ireland.

European ban doesn’t mean flights stop. The world would collapse if flights stopped. Cargo is a thing.

fr336

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Some people here seem to really resent that fact. There's a lot of stalinist Walter Mitty's hanging around here.

Should we do away with all the laws in the name of freedom?

Plumbthedepths

fr336 wrote: »

A part of me is delighted to see normality returning as people fly out on holiday. As someone with an interest in aviation it's great to see more and more flights going after months of seeing just the one airline. However what other description of people can you say but reckless and selfish? Of course it is. It's proof positive that probably 80% of people will always do this, whatever is happening, unless stopped from doing so by law or by airlines not offering the flights. It's also amusing that people need a holiday after months in lockdown and lazing around the house.

Other than weekends off I have worked continuously since this started as has many thousands of others. I didn't sit at home watching Netflix so I'm very much looking forward to my trip away seeing friends I haven't seen since May last year.

caveat emptor

s1ippy wrote: »

That is most decidedly not where the flights to Dublin are coming from. Abu Dhabi, Doha, Dubai, Newcastle, London.

There's more "air bridges" than real bridges in Venice. People are thick if you don't think you can travel and bring whatever the fvck you want back with you.
We are in this for the long haul.

Away With The Fairies

ACitizenErased wrote: »

European ban doesn’t mean flights stop. The world would collapse if flights stopped. Cargo is a thing.

Fat Americans aren't classified as cargo. So there's no European ban on Americans.

Nijmegen

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's about minimising risks. Already one idiot who was meant to self isolating and went off to his parents for dinner.

Pubs open, let's go out with the mates instead of self isolating.

I keep hearing about this story, that it was in Sligo, but can't find any reliable source about it?

LiquidZeb

fr336 wrote: »

Should we do away with all the laws in the name of freedom?

I'm not saying that at all but some people seem to want things to go the complete opposite. Surely some balance between the rule of law and personal freedom is better than some orwellian insanity.

Cork Boy 53

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's about minimising risks. Already one idiot who was meant to self isolating and went off to his parents for dinner.

Pubs open, let's go out with the mates instead of self isolating.

Similar story to the muppet working in Apple in Cork who tested positive for the virus in late Feb/early March and instead of self isolating went to the pub thereby causing a spike in new cases.

Away With The Fairies

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Similar story to the moron working in Apple in Cork who tested positive for the virus in late Feb/early March and instead of self isolating went to the pub ended up causing a spike in new cases.

Exactly

shinzon

LiquidZeb wrote: »

If you Google search the image it shows up as from Chicago O'Hare airport one of the busiest airports in the world. I'd wager the majority of flights departing there are domestic US flights. The picture and the attached post are a complete misrepresentation and a blatant attempt to mislead people.

Oh dear god righty oh fair enough fair cop guv'nor

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Shin

caveat emptor

ACitizenErased wrote: »

European ban doesn’t mean flights stop. The world would collapse if flights stopped. Cargo is a thing.

Who's scare mongering now. Nobody is saying flights have to stop. Flights full of less than careful people who may have contracted a disease should probably stop. But economy stupid.

stephenjmcd

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Fat Americans aren't classified as cargo. So there's no European ban on Americans.

A disgusting comment to start with. What has anyones body image got to do with anything? Presume this goes back to your lets not eat takeaway it makes you fat comment recently.

Secondly yes unless on essential travel Americans are not allowed into Europe.

Regular scheduled passenger services double up as cargo services.

Your being completely ignorant to the facts here. America is not on the list of nationalities allowed into the EU and if your American your not allowed into the EU unless on essential travel.

Utopia Parkway

owlbethere wrote: »

I don't believe for a minute that the virus will burn out after 20% of the population becoming infected. It's pie in the sky codswallop and that's all it is. Do 20% become infected and 80% who didn't develop an infection suddenly become immune to the virus?

All this will do is lead people to a false sense of security - 'sure, the virus is dying out' they might think and it will lead to more risks and ultimately more infection spreading.

Ultimately even the experts are trying to understand this virus as there is a lot that is still unknown about how it behaves and the article reflects that. And they are two epidemiologists and I'm guessing that you are probably not one.

fr336

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s not though. According to most on here we’ll be having at least 100 waves and the virus is never going to go. So next year will run into another year, another year , another year and so on...... unless we are lucky to get a vaccine but the experts on here claim we won’t. So travelling with precautions will have to happen sooner or later.

I have not once seen a post on here saying this will go beyond 2020. Great excuse though - "I want to do something now, and people are saying it's going to go on forever anyway, so I might as well do it now". If we're going to talk about people saying things, plenty would have been quite happy to take their chances (or chances with other people's lives) back in March, April etc. They'd have just blamed the government for not locking down and patted themselves on the back. Look at the idiots who insisted on going skiing to the worst hit part of Italy when doctors there were having to decide people who would have survived any other day were going to die because they didn't have enough room for the surge of patients.

LiquidZeb

shinzon wrote: »

Oh dear god righty oh fair enough fair cop guv'nor

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Shin

So you don't think putting up a picture of O'Hare airport and then talking about Dublin airport was a bit misleading guv'nor?


Shin(t)

HildaOgdenx

Nijmegen wrote: »

I keep hearing about this story, that it was in Sligo, but can't find any reliable source about it?

Haven't been following the thread, but I presume this is the story being referred to.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/up-to-14-members-of-the-same-iraqi-family-at-centre-of-covid-cluster-in-sligo-1008362.html

caveat emptor

Fair fvcks Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/simonharristd/status/1278221198976077824?s=21

fr336

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'm not saying that at all but some people seem to want things to go the complete opposite. Surely some balance between the rule of law and personal freedom is better than some orwellian insanity.

Maybe they do. I'm not one of them. I really don't feel any of this has been orwellian. Ireland and UK had one of the most hands off lockdowns in the world. In much of mainland Europe you could only go shopping for essentials once a week, in Spain they weren't allowed for a walk for 6 weeks. This is a first world democracy doing what they thought was right for their citizens. No capitalist governments wants to shut down a country unless it's absolutely necessary. People wanted pubs and shops back open and to get back to work, now those things are happening they want to go abroad again when they feel like it and start the whole show off again. Those who don't learn from history...

s1ippy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

European ban doesn’t mean flights stop. The world would collapse if flights stopped. Cargo is a thing.

As far as I'm aware Ireland hasn't banned Americans from flying in, although Irish people can't fly into America.

There's American tourists staying in a rented house down the road from my relatives since the start of the weekend. We know they're American because we heard their accents when they called to the door this morning. We didn't answer, even though it was blatantly obvious we were inside and could hear them saying that.

Americans and any other nationality are supposed to be self isolating for two weeks on arrival, but the Gardaí have said they're not enforcing it so there's no point in calling them. There's absolutely no rule saying that they're entitled to any sort of audience with Irish people and I hope they are widely shunned in public because they should not be here. Whatever about visiting their sick relatives etc, stay the f*ck away from mine. If I see them walking around the place later on I'm not sure what I'm liable to do, it's made me pretty angry.

The way I see it, two elderly people and one at risk person had to barricade themselves into the house to protect themselves from Americans who shouldn't be in the country and certainly shouldn't be knocking on the doors of the locals. Probably a good idea to take action now in this case and send a message to any others thinking of doing the same.

I'm only joking.

fr336

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Other than weekends off I have worked continuously since this started as has many thousands of others. I didn't sit at home watching Netflix so I'm very much looking forward to my trip away seeing friends I haven't seen since May last year.

Bar 5 weeks of leave I have done the same as an essential worker. But I realise that I'll (probably) still be here in 2021 so I don't NEED to travel abroad this year. I can do other things. Like people who can't afford a trip abroad every year or when a recession hits and even those desperate for it have to admit defeat.

For al the travel that I want to do to low risk places in Europe, for the life of me I don’t get why Ireland has not followed the EU’s lead and banned Americans from visiting. There are no direct flights from the USA to Germany at all, for example.

shinzon

LiquidZeb wrote: »

So you don't think putting up a picture of O'Hare airport and then talking about Dublin airport was a bit misleading guv'nor?


Shin(t)

Absolutely not if you read what was in the brackets but yeah keep going on about the picture and not the post whose misleading who now. Far worse things have been written on these threads then posting a fecking picture of a crowded airport faux outrage is faux tbh


Shin

Plumbthedepths

s1ippy wrote: »

As far as I'm aware Ireland hasn't banned Americans from flying in, although Irish people can't fly into America.

There's American tourists staying in a rented house down the road from my relatives since the start of the weekend. We know they're American because we heard their accents when they called to the door this morning. We didn't answer, even though it was blatantly obvious we were inside and could hear them saying that.

Americans and any other nationality are supposed to be self isolating for two weeks on arrival, but the Gardaí have said they're not enforcing it so there's no point in calling them. There's absolutely no rule saying that they're entitled to any sort of audience with Irish people and I hope they are widely shunned in public because they should not be here. Whatever about visiting their sick relatives etc, stay the f*ck away from mine. If I see them walking around the place later on I'm not sure what I'm liable to do, it's made me pretty angry.

The way I see it, two elderly people and one at risk person had to barricade themselves into the house to protect themselves from Americans who shouldn't be in the country and certainly shouldn't be knocking on the doors of the locals. Probably a good idea to take action now in this case and send a message to any others thinking of doing the same.

I'm only joking.

Christ but the head of the WHO was spot on, he said this crisis has brought out the best in people and the worst in people.

You definitely fit in the latter category ,you should try and calm down a bit. 'Take action , send a message, you're not sure what you're liable to do .'
.

ZX7R

caveat emptor wrote: »

Fair fvcks Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/simonharristd/status/1278221198976077824?s=21

Simon Harris was called on to be clear with his tweets,was it in regards to Ryanair or professor Jack Lambert.
Professor jack treated 700 covid patience in the mater hospital.

owlbethere

caveat emptor wrote: »

Fair fvcks Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/simonharristd/status/1278221198976077824?s=21

What the fcuk was the man doing a few weeks ago when he was still minister for health? Did he have any powers at all to make the population comply with the public health guidelines? He should have implemented fines for people caught breaking restrictions.

Christ almighty, Simon Harris, shut up on your Twitter and stop being disappointed in people traveling. I don't agree with people traveling and I will continue to follow the guidelines but there's nothing stopping people from going.

ACitizenErased

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Fat Americans aren't classified as cargo. So there's no European ban on Americans.

What a very mature comment

ACitizenErased

Reminder that Simon Harris is the one who refused to act on Italian fans arriving here......

Away With The Fairies

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A disgusting comment to start with. What has anyones body image got to do with anything? Presume this goes back to your lets not eat takeaway it makes you fat comment recently.

Secondly yes unless on essential travel Americans are not allowed into Europe.

Regular scheduled passenger services double up as cargo services.

Your being completely ignorant to the facts here. America is not on the list of nationalities allowed into the EU and if your American your not allowed into the EU unless on essential travel.

I don't know if it was on boards or somewhere else where I read a comment from someone who got chatting to some Americans out enjoying themselves in Killarney. Asked them were they stuck here for lockdown and they said they only came here last week.

fr336

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Reminder that Simon Harris is the one who refused to act on Italian fans arriving here......

But their rights!

fr336

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Christ but the head of the WHO was spot on, he said this crisis has brought out the best in people and the worst in people.

You definitely fit in the latter category ,you should try and calm down a bit. 'Take action , send a message, you're not sure what you're liable to do .'
.

Certainly has brought out the worst in people. Like the attitude "The Americans should be able to go on their holiday, to hell with the local vunerable residents it's their look out if they want to stay indoors the world has to get back to normal" etc....

Plumbthedepths

fr336 wrote: »

Certainly has brought out the worst in people. Like the attitude "The Americans should be able to go on their holiday, to hell with the local vunerable residents it's their look out if they want to stay indoors the world has to get back to normal" etc....

You condoning violence?
Who has said Americans should be allowed go on holidays?
Edit
Totally agree the world does have to try and get back to normal. Life goes on. Might be time for those that feel vulnerable to cocoon and wait for a vaccine. It's selfish to expect everyone else to put their lives on hold.

ACitizenErased

This is the way I see it.
Travel within the EU is perfectly fine, but should be voluntary. What’s happening right now is the airlines are forcing people by not giving refunds - this is a failure on the government’s part.
I highly highly highly doubt there is mass amounts of American tourists arriving into the country on what are essentially cargo flights. It’s ridiculous to suggest that’s true.

bb1234567

Really fantastic little 20 min documentary on Netflix called Coronavirus Explained, episode II in particular discusses the hurdles associated with vaccine manufacturing and production. Really great graphics and narrators that help explain some of the difficult terminology and concepts you always hear about in the news that I personally never really understood. Really recommend, it's quite positive in tone.

ACitizenErased

bb1234567 wrote: »

Really fantastic little 20 min documentary on Netflix called Coronavirus Explained, episode II in particular discusses the hurdles associated with vaccine manufacturing and production. Really great graphics and narrators that help explain some of the difficult terminology and concepts you always hear about in the news that I personally never really understood. Really recommend!

Second this, fascinating documentary.
Another one is “Pandemic” that was released this year before the pandemic started ironically.

Kermit.de.frog

The US reported over 47,000 new cases of coronavirus yesterday, a new record.

It's mind boggling how they have screwed this up so much.