Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Micky 32

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's about minimising risks. Already one idiot who was meant to self isolating and went off to his parents for dinner.

Pubs open, let's go out with the mates instead of self isolating.

You post doesn’t address the bit about “ just for one year” though.

People have to see their families one way or other.

Plumbthedepths

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The US reported over 47,000 new cases of coronavirus yesterday, a new record.

It's mind boggling how they have screwed this up so much.

Would you suggest the Americans 'strap themselves in' ?

Marty Bird

fr336 wrote: »

But their rights!

How would we feel if it was us..

Neamhshuntasach

Don't know what the status of Americans visiting here is but the Aer Lingus Boston and Chicago flights looked fairly busy early this morning. And most looked in typical American holiday mode. Like they expected the foot of some mountain to be right outside the doors of the airport with the get up they were in.

I'd be guessing, but i'd be of the the opinion that they won't be quarantining for 2 weeks. I'm all for trying opening up air travel with other countries similar to us in number of cases and having it under control without any quarantine. But not with countries where it's still running wild and when we've essentially a voluntary quarantine.

Cork Boy 53

owlbethere wrote: »

What the fcuk was the man doing a few weeks ago when he was still minister for health? Did he have any powers at all to make the population comply with the public health guidelines? He should have implemented fines for people caught breaking restrictions.

Christ almighty, Simon Harris, shut up on your Twitter and stop being disappointed in people traveling. I don't agree with people traveling and I will continue to follow the guidelines but there's nothing stopping people from going.

To be fair the Gardaí did have the power to bring people who violated the travel measures to court whereby a maximum fine of 2500 euro could have been imposed. The fact that the Gardaí didn`t enforce the regulations to the degree they should have done is hardly Simon Harris` fault.

Kermit.de.frog

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Would you suggest the Americans 'strap themselves in' ?

Yes, yes I would.

Interesting times ahead.

caveat emptor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You condoning violence?
Who has said Americans should be allowed go on holidays?
Edit
Totally agree the world does have to try and get back to normal. Life goes on. Might be time for those that feel vulnerable to cocoon and wait for a vaccine. It's selfish to expect everyone else to put their lives on hold.

Nobody should joke about violence. That we agree on.
The world is not back to normal. We all had a collective responsibility to deal with this virus. It was our collective action that stopped.
Since that looks like it's out the window I won't feel one once of collective sympathy when it all goes wrong.
This includes as and when airline industry furloughed to curtail loses. This is a capitalist society after all and we need to. play by the rules of the system.

• Airlines going under.
• Outbreaks
• Pubs going under
• People who contracted it from people who went on holidays
• Heart wrenching documentaries etc.
• check points can fvck off.

“The strong do whatever they are allowed to do and the weak accept it and forgive them.”

I'll be strongly advocating to get back to normal. Thems the breaks unfortunately. I'll support not giving handouts to those who put at risk our most vulnerable. People should be cared for on whether they took the piss or not.

fr336

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You condoning violence?
Who has said Americans should be allowed go on holidays?
Edit
Totally agree the world does have to try and get back to normal. Life goes on. Might be time for those that feel vulnerable to cocoon and wait for a vaccine. It's selfish to expect everyone else to put their lives on hold.

Why dont you wait for a holiday? After all its such a small ask. Smaller than dying, for sure.

Away With The Fairies

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Would you suggest the Americans 'strap themselves in' ?

Keep going on about that comment, will you.

Let's not forget very early on in this there was a comment "we are smashing this", with people dying.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

More research coming out about T cell immunity , levels of immunity in Sweden may be as high as 30% rather than the much lower figure found in antibody studies.

Good news possibly. I wonder does recent exposure to another Coronavirus increase the t-cell response? Your immune system is practised in dealing with the virus type. Maybe why the impact in children is so low as they have likely had a coronavirus in the not too distant past. The possibility may then be opened to the use one of the 4 mild species of coronavirus as a means of instilling resistance, not immunity, in the same way as deliberately infecting people with cow pox was an early attempt at a vaccine for smallpox

ACitizenErased

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

To be fair the Gardaí did have the power to bring people who violated the travel measures to court whereby a maximum fine of 2500 euro could have been imposed. The fact that the Gardaí didn`t enforce the regulations to the degree they should have done is hardly Simon Harris` fault.

Because the law wouldn’t have held up in court. A mickey mouse law.

ACitizenErased

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Keep going on about that comment, will you.

Let's not forget very early on in this there was a comment "we are smashing this", with people dying.

You lost all credibility by claiming that a load of “fat americans” were coming here. What a childish statement.

Micky 32

fr336 wrote: »

I have not once seen a post on here saying this will go beyond 2020. Great excuse though - .

Get off your high horse incase you fall off and break your neck.

I can guarantee if we stil have cases in 2021, 2022, 2023 we will still have the same cohort on here blasting anyone talking about going travelling.

Btw i have no intention of flying this year so your i want it now comment is irrelevent to me.

Neamhshuntasach

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is the way I see it.
Travel within the EU is perfectly fine, but should be voluntary. What’s happening right now is the airlines are forcing people by not giving refunds - this is a failure on the government’s part.
I highly highly highly doubt there is mass amounts of American tourists arriving into the country on what are essentially cargo flights. It’s ridiculous to suggest that’s true.

See my recent comment. I was working beside arrivals from 4AM this morning. Flights from the US were busy enough with what looked like tourists. Most looked an older crowed. And i also seen a big group of older tourists from Houston out in Howth last Wednesday. They are coming here. And i don't think that's on. Open up EU for air travel and remove quarantine. But we shouldn't be letting people in from countries where it is still rampant. Once there are flights, people will travel.

Away With The Fairies

Micky 32 wrote: »

You post doesn’t address the bit about “ just for one year” though.

People have to see their families one way or other.

If you're meant to be self isolating, you're not meant to be seeing anyone. I'm sorry but is too weeks isolation too much first, but let's infect everyone first.

Cork Boy 53

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The US reported over 47,000 new cases of coronavirus yesterday, a new record.

It's mind boggling how they have screwed this up so much.

It`s not really when you consider how much the orange clown in the White House is ****ing up the country. Same as the floppy haired buffoon in Downing St did until he came to his senses.

Away With The Fairies

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You lost all credibility by claiming that a load of “fat americans” were coming here. What a childish statement.

You made excuses that it's just cargo flights. Well it's not cargo.

Micky 32

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If you're meant to be self isolating, you're not meant to be seeing anyone. I'm sorry but is too weeks isolation too much first, but let's infect everyone first.

I’m talking about from next year, the year after onwards not this year

fr336

Micky 32 wrote: »

Get off your high horse incase you fall off and break your neck.

I can guarantee if we stil have cases in 2021, 2022, 2023 we will still have the same cohort on here blasting anyone talking about going travelling.

Not me. But given its only been 4 months i dont know why youre talking about years. Are all the holiday makers just a bit soft? Cant cope with the routine being upset? Go sonewhere else, do something else!

ACitizenErased

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

See my recent comment. I was working beside arrivals from 4AM this morning. Flights from the US were busy enough with what looked like tourists. Most looked an older crowed. And i also seen a big group of older tourists from Houston out in Howth last Wednesday. They are coming here. And i don't think that's on. Open up EU for air travel and remove quarantine. But we shouldn't be letting people in from countries where it is still rampant. Once there are flights, people will travel.

That’s exactly whats happening from July 9th?????

Micky 32

fr336 wrote: »

Not me. But given its only been 4 months i dont know why youre talking about years. Are all the holiday makers just a bit soft? Cant cope with the routine being upset? Go sonewhere else, do something else!

Ah bless are you finding it hard to understand? I was replying to a poster who said can we not travel for just one year. I think i can safely assume when next year comes the said poster will be extending it for another year. That was my point.

ACitizenErased

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You made excuses that it's just cargo flights. Well it's not cargo.

Have you personally seen these “fat americans”?

Micky 32

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Have you personally seen these “fat americans”?

It’s a comment from that poster that doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.

Neamhshuntasach

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That’s exactly whats happening from July 9th?????

No idea about what will happen regarding travel restrictions as i haven't looked into it. Anything i had booked was in the past and cancelled and my work travel is knocked on the head for the rest of this year. I was commenting on what you said has happened. And that it wasn't ridiculous to suggest airplanes have only landed here from the US with basically just cargo.

I've been out in the airport working over the last few weeks. And going back into May even, i'd agree that flights coming here were essentially empty. Airport was a ghost town and arrivals were the odd person here and there. Maybe 10 at most. But today was a different ball game. And if there will be 8 more days of something similar. That could be a lot of Americans floating about that may potentially have it. Maybe they will all quarantine. But i wouldn't be putting money on it.

Cork Boy 53

fr336 wrote: »

Not me. But given its only been 4 months i dont know why youre talking about years. Are all the holiday makers just a bit soft? Cant cope with the routine being upset? Go sonewhere else, do something else!

Typical of the millennial snowflake generation which, with a few exceptions, the majority of those who want to go on sun/sea/sex/drinking holidays in the middle of a global pandemic are.

ACitizenErased

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Typical of the millennial snowflake generation which, with a few exceptions, the majority of those who want to go on sun/sea/sex/drinkingholidays in the middle of a global pandemic are.

Christ the generalisation is flying around this afternoon. You’re making us Cork people look silly.

fr336

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah bless are you finding it hard to understand? I was replying to a poster who said can we not travel for just one year. I think i can safely assume when next year comes the said poster will be extending it for another year. That was my point.

Why would you assume that? So many assumptions....

Cork Boy 53

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because the law wouldn’t have held up in court. A mickey mouse law.

Well who knows if the "Mickey Mouse" law may or may not have held up in court as no cases went that far.

[QUOTE=ACitizenErased;113904211]Christ the generalisation is flying around this afternoon. You’re making us Cork people look silly.[/QUOTE]

Really? Well here is a specific question for you. Are you going to provide a link as I requested of you re.your post last night about the situation in Massachusetts?

Away With The Fairies

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

No idea about what will happen regarding travel restrictions as i haven't looked into it. Anything i had booked was in the past and cancelled and my work travel is knocked on the head for the rest of this year. I was commenting on what you said has happened. And that it wasn't ridiculous to suggest airplanes have only landed here from the US with basically just cargo.

I've been out in the airport working over the last few weeks. And going back into May even, i'd agree that flights coming here were essentially empty. Airport was a ghost town and arrivals were the odd person here and there. Maybe 10 at most. But today was a different ball game. And if there will be 8 more days of something similar. That could be a lot of Americans floating about that may potentially have it. Maybe they will all quarantine. But i wouldn't be putting money on it.

Careful now, you'll be asked have you seen any Americans at the airport.

ZX7R

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is the way I see it.
Travel within the EU is perfectly fine, but should be voluntary. What’s happening right now is the airlines are forcing people by not giving refunds - this is a failure on the government’s part.
I highly highly highly doubt there is mass amounts of American tourists arriving into the country on what are essentially cargo flights. It’s ridiculous to suggest that’s true.

Sorry Acitizeneraised this is purely a problem caused by the stand in government .
The airline's are not forcing but practicing well within current legislations of the government.
In late April early may Simon coveney stated in the dail that they were currently working on air bridges and hoped to have in place for the time frame for air travel in Europe.
After that Simon Harris decided to go ahead with trying to get a mandatory quarantine inforced by legislation.
That didn't work out as it would require a change to our constitution and then you have our common travel area and EU law.
Middle of may decision on our external travel was to be reviewed on 26th of may then extended again till the 9th of July announced by leo that the new government would make the final decision.
The situation we have now causing the most confusion is Tony Holohans tweets telling people NOT to travel for holidays.
Since he tweeted they have been removed.
The department of travel and foreign affairs has issued 3 statements that a decision on the matter is being worked on.
A minister of the new government was quoted yesterday that the decision will be made by the government.
This situation was cased by leo and Co not making a decision.

ACitizenErased

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Well who knows if the "Mickey Mouse" law may or may not have held up in court as no cases went that far.



Really? Well here is a specific question for you. Are you going to provide a link as I requested of you re.your post last night about the situation in Massachusetts?

I’m not a liar.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/30/nation/mass-reports-zero-new-coronavirus-deaths-first-time-months/

ACitizenErased

ZX7R wrote: »

Sorry Acitizeneraised this is purely a problem caused by the stand in government .
The airline's are not forcing but practicing well within current legislations of the government.
In late April early may Simon coveney stated in the dail that they were currently working on air bridges and hoped to have in place for the time frame for air travel in Europe.
After that Simon Harris decided to go ahead with trying to get a mandatory quarantine inforced by legislation.
That didn't work out as it would require a change to our constitution and then you have our common travel area and EU law.
Middle of may decision on our external travel was to be reviewed on 26th of may then extended again till the 9th of July announced by leo that the new government would make the final decision.
The situation we have now causing the most confusion is Tony Holohans tweets telling people NOT to travel for holidays.
Since he tweeted they have been removed.
The department of travel and foreign affairs has issued 3 statements that a decision on the matter is being worked on.
A minister of the new government was quoted yesterday that the decision will be made by the government.
This situation was cased by leo and Co not making a decision.

With all due respect the post of mine you quoted literally said it was a failure by the government

giveitholly

My friends wife has a chest infection,she rang the doctor who gave her a prescription over the phone and told her she has to get a covid test.Her appointment is not until tomorrow week,how come there is such a backlog on testing?

fr336

Just booked myself a few weeks in Texas. Should be good.

ACitizenErased

giveitholly wrote: »

My friends wife has a chest infection,she rang the doctor who gave her a prescription over the phone and told her she has to get a covid test.Her appointment is not until tomorrow week,how come there is such a backlog on testing?

They’re testing everybody, testing increased two fold last week

stephenjmcd

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Typical of the millennial snowflake generation which, with a few exceptions, the majority of those who want to go on sun/sea/sex/drinking holidays in the middle of a global pandemic are.

ah we're back to let's blame young people. A sweeping generalisation to show how out of touch you really are.

Interview in the Independent with an older couple at the airport today travelling to the south of France on holiday. They don't fit into the snowflake generation now do they ?? They gave their reasons as to why they felt happy to travel

s1ippy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They’re testing everybody, testing increased two fold last week

Tomorrow week? How is that possible??

fr336

The blame the young thing is unfair. In my experience the young will socially distance in supermarkets etc whereas older middle aged types dont care as they think they know it all.

ACitizenErased

fr336 wrote: »

The blame the young thing is unfair. In my experience the young will socially distance in supermarkets etc whereas older middle aged types dont care as they think they know it all.

It’s an easy group to target for some people on here. Ignorance at its finest.

owlbethere

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

To be fair the Gardaí did have the power to bring people who violated the travel measures to court whereby a maximum fine of 2500 euro could have been imposed. The fact that the Gardaí didn`t enforce the regulations to the degree they should have done is hardly Simon Harris` fault.

There was a reason why they didn't enforce the restriction measures. I'm not a fan of Gemma o Doherty. She made a holy show of herself. She could have been right when she maintained the measures were unconstitutional. Why didn't the cops enforce them otherwise? The cops went after the easy work of breaking up beach goers and a small protest outside Debenhams where people were socially distancing but they never broke up large protests.

Something isn't right.

Hurrache

fr336 wrote: »

The blame the young thing is unfair. In my experience the young will socially distance in supermarkets etc whereas older middle aged types dont care as they think they know it all.

Like ****e they do. (yes, I realise it's a generalisation, but the age range of the new cases imply they're not that good at their social distancing.)

https://twitter.com/Sd04406345/status/1278008121068314624

shinzon

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0701/1150751-coronavirus-ireland/?fbclid=IwAR1LLAEsnLe6kMk0ZGsOAJw6-0hP63hvNfX-Hdk4sZ_Hewlb2gEIsaLgTW8

At least six cases of Covid-19 associated with international travel were identified in Ireland this week.

At this morning's Government briefing on the pandemic, the Assistant Secretary at the Department of the Taoiseach said now is not the time for complacency.

Liz Canavan said the advice to avoid all non-essential travel abroad remains.

Senior public health officials, including Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan, have strongly urged those considering undertaking non-essential overseas travel not to do so.

Ms Canavan added that it is important to remember that early cases of the virus were associated with international travel and the risk now is a new imported case spreading in the community.

Shin

Micky 32

fr336 wrote: »

Why would you assume that? So many assumptions....

One can make some accurate assumptions when you are following a thread longterm ;-)

giveitholly

s1ippy wrote: »

Tomorrow week? How is that possible??

That is what I am wondering,it is a chest infection she has but those symptoms are the same as for covid so surely she should be getting a test done quicker,seems strange to me

ACitizenErased

shinzon wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0701/1150751-coronavirus-ireland/?fbclid=IwAR1LLAEsnLe6kMk0ZGsOAJw6-0hP63hvNfX-Hdk4sZ_Hewlb2gEIsaLgTW8





Shin

We know this, it’s a family from Iraq in Sligo. It’s a confined cluster.

D.Q

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Christ the generalisation is flying around this afternoon. You’re making us Cork people look silly.

Can't take anything they say on here seriously when it's all clearly driven by preexisting issues with young people.

Posters like him really show their true agenda with that sort of comment.

They post extremely negative, fear-mongering comments, day in, day out, and purport to be the last bastion of reality but really its projection.

If there wasn't a pandemic, they'd be in other threads, projecting those same biases onto different issues.

Genuinely pathetic, feel sorry for them.

ACitizenErased

Boards Espana and Boards.fr must be in complete meltdown if this is how our people are reacting

owlbethere

giveitholly wrote: »

My friends wife has a chest infection,she rang the doctor who gave her a prescription over the phone and told her she has to get a covid test.Her appointment is not until tomorrow week,how come there is such a backlog on testing?

That doesn't bode well for the contact tracing element of this. Really it doesn't. How can we have faith in the system if it's taking over a week for a test?

I thought the idea of testing early, quick results turnaround, contact tracing was all part of the process to take people with a possible infection out from circulation.

The economy is being opened up, people are moving about more, there's people itching to get away out abroad and travelling would be considered risky.

Then this. We are smacked in the face with the possibility of the system failing us.

It's was reported to open the economy, we need several different things:

We need testing - test, test, test
We need quick results
We need contact tracing

ACitizenErased

Latest testing data.
Average time from referral to appointment is 0.8 days.
Average time from swab to result is 1.1 days.

Referrals at the same level as last week.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-1-july-2020.pdf

giveitholly

owlbethere wrote: »

That doesn't bode well for the contact tracing element of this. Really it doesn't. How can we have faith in the system if it's taking over a week for a test?

I thought the idea of testing early, quick results turnaround, contact tracing was all part of the process to take people with a possible infection out from circulation.

The economy is being opened up, people are moving about more, there's people itching to get away out abroad and travelling would be considered risky.

Then this. We are smacked in the face with the possibility of the system failing us.

It's was reported to open the economy, we need several different things:

We need testing - test, test, test
We need quick results
We need contact tracing

She has been told to isolate from today but was out grocery shopping yesterday and felt it coming on her yesterday evening and rang the doctor this morning