Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

hmmm

expectationlost wrote: »

16 cases in sligo in the last 14 days https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=906366889773438&ref=watch_permalink


heard of a house party kildare

kildare had 23 cases

55 in dublin

45 were health care workers

We're catching health care workers because we're testing them regularly. It goes to show how much undetected spread there may be. Opportunities for superspreading aren't going to be allowed anytime soon, but anyone going to a large event indoors (e.g. House party) is an idiot in my opinion.

polesheep

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm getting the feeling you've a holiday booked?

That's not an answer. It's just another push for your agenda.

pjohnson

polesheep wrote: »

That's not an answer. It's just another push for your agenda.

Aaand that answer now makes your previous rubbish make so much sense :pac:

Gael23

expectationlost wrote: »

16 cases in sligo in the last 14 days https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=906366889773438&ref=watch_permalink


heard of a house party kildare

kildare had 23 cases

55 in dublin

45 were health care workers

14 of those cases in Sligo were one family from Iraq who travelled via Belfast

What Username Guidelines

Interesting that lots of counties were going days and weeks without cases and now since travel restrictions have been lifted there are more single cases cropping up about the place. Could be unrelated but it seems linked. We know the Sligo story but good few others are breaking streaks now.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1281284398931939328?s=21

spookwoman

expectationlost wrote: »

16 cases in sligo in the last 14 days https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=906366889773438&ref=watch_permalink


heard of a house party kildare

kildare had 23 cases

55 in dublin

45 were health care workers

Week gone now on the waterford house party, probably start seeings results soon enough if they do present for testing

drunkmonkey

Gael23 wrote: »

14 of those cases in Sligo were one family from Iraq who travelled via Belfast

There was 2 clusters up there, the Iraq one and the months mind one, I would have expected those numbers to be already washed through.

US2

spookwoman wrote: »

Week gone now on the waterford house party, probably start seeings results soon enough if they do present for testing

Ya the 50th wave will be here next week.

tom1ie

ZX7R wrote: »

The irony is northern Ireland and uk are more at risk from us now.
The US is not on there safe to travel list,
We have to put restrictions on high risk countries

Who is in charge on a political level with regard to allowing in the likes of the USA?
I know we take advice from NPHET but who is the politician in charge who has to present the idea of closing access to USA travellers, to Micheal martin?

polesheep

pjohnson wrote: »

Aaand that answer now makes your previous rubbish make so much sense :pac:

You should have taken the time to think before jumping in with your smart ar#e comment. Any intelligent person would ask what type of traveller is coming in and from where. Unless, of course, it suits your agenda not to know.

Assetbacked

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It is not just the elderly dying from it

It is though.

Time to bump this post.

cnocbui wrote: »

How do you know most shop workers weren't?

This thread endlessly focuses on the negatives to the point people lose sight of the fact that most people experience either very mild symptoms or none at all, particularly those in the age group in which most supermarket employees would fall.

tom1ie

Assetbacked wrote: »

It is though.

Time to bump this post.

Is that the case in the USA? Or Brazil? Or northern Italy when stuff was bad?

Renjit

Update from Baldy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clscC120ZQM

ShineOn7

Renjit wrote: »

Update from Baldy

Who's that?

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If it were me I would go out of my way to get a test. Some strange people in this country.

Likewise, if I was to be identified as a close contact I'd want the test. Why on earth you'd refuse is just unbelievable

cnocbui

tom1ie wrote: »

Is that the case in the USA? Or Brazil? Or northern Italy when stuff was bad?

Yes, believe it or not.

Plumbthedepths

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Who's that?

YouTube travel blogger.

Eod100

Good news in Italy: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1281289541140254721?s=19

ZX7R

Gael23 wrote: »

14 of those cases in Sligo were one family from Iraq who travelled via Belfast

Thank fully we won't have to worry about that anymore thanks to the UK and northern Ireland.
Iraq not on there list.
There list is not to shabby no real high risk on it bar the UK it's self

tom1ie

cnocbui wrote: »

Yes, believe it or not.

That young people aren’t dying from it or are suffering long term complications?

niallo27

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It is not just the elderly dying from it

The vast vast majority of the people dying are, i fail to understand how people can not grasp simple statistics.

tom1ie

US2 wrote: »

Ya the 50th wave will be here next week.

Silly comment.

Renjit

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm getting the feeling you've a holiday booked?

Or the job may be travel related.

Plumbthedepths

tom1ie wrote: »

That young people aren’t dying from it or are suffering long term complications?

Very few, but I doubt you needed to be told.

stephenjmcd

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

And a push notification to boot, without context.

The media went into a frenzy a few weeks back when Germany went above one due to large meat factory clusters. The next day or so it was down to 0.6 again after they traced it very well. Very little reporting on the drop though.



Didn’t catch the press conference, did they allude to clusters or mention specifics?

I'd agree. Mentioned that here that very week, there was little reporting on the German R value after that 1 days reporting. A cluster has the effect of inflating R dramatically as we've seen in Germany. That happens when you've a low base of numbers

Similar while we're on the German topic the R value there today is estimated on a 4 day average as 0.66 and 7 day average is 0.86

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

14 of those cases in Sligo were one family from Iraq who travelled via Belfast

They didn't travel through Belfast that was a rumour. Picked up at Dublin Airport by a family member and went home to the rest of the family where is where the cluster was caught within the family.

stephenjmcd

tom1ie wrote: »

Who is in charge on a political level with regard to allowing in the likes of the USA?
I know we take advice from NPHET but who is the politician in charge who has to present the idea of closing access to USA travellers, to Micheal martin?

Dept of Foreign affairs and the Dept of transport. So Covney and Ryan

Zonda999

I did up a comparison of the cases by county month on month (June 7th to July 7th)



I consider the country very much opened up in all of that time, so I think we've done pretty well.

cnocbui

tom1ie wrote: »

That young people aren’t dying from it or are suffering long term complications?

Yes, that the vast majority of young people who have been infected and who don't have other serious health problems wont be suffering long term complications.

Bergamo is a good example of a full-on, near worst case scenario. It was a tragedy, the number of people who died amounted to 0.39% of the population and most were over 65.

Even given today's spike, people are calling for travel bans, quarantines and so forth, rather than wake up to the reality you can't stamp this virus out. A ban on travel might have to be forever. It's ridiculous. No government can afford it. Such a 'cure' is worse then the consequences of facing up to the reality that the virus can outlast our resources and just accepting the consequences, while taking practical and affordable steps to mitigate - such as pervasive mask wearing in enclosed spaces.

tom1ie

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Very few, but I doubt you needed to be told.

So young people are dying and getting long term complications albeit in small numbers.
I suppose the thing with small percentages of a larger number is as the larger number increases, the smaller percentage numbers also increases.

tom1ie

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dept of Foreign affairs and the Dept of transport. So Covney and Ryan

Has there been any direction from either of these two on stopping American tourists from entering Ireland? Have the media even asked this question?

tom1ie

cnocbui wrote: »

Yes, that the vast majority of young people who have been infected and who don't have other serious health problems wont be suffering long term complications.

Bergamo is a good example of a full-on, near worst case scenario. It was a tragedy, the number of people who died amounted to 0.39% of the population and most were over 65.

Even given today's spike, people are calling for travel bans, quarantines and so forth, rather than wake up to the reality you can't stamp this virus out. A ban on travel might have to be forever. It's ridiculous. No government can afford it. Such a 'cure' is worse then the consequences of facing up to the reality that the virus can outlast our resources and just accepting the consequences, while taking practical and affordable steps to mitigate - such as pervasive mask wearing in enclosed spaces.

A ban on allowing USA tourists into Ireland is absolutely needed whatever about other forms of travel.

ACitizenErased

Hearing of two possible clusters because of house parties involving two GAA clubs in West Cork.

Plumbthedepths

tom1ie wrote: »

So young people are dying and getting long term complications albeit in small numbers.
I suppose the thing with small percentages of a larger number is as the larger number increases, the smaller percentage numbers also increases.

Tom the evidence from across Europe including here is not hidden. You can get emotive and throw in a few what ifs and the odd outlier but it doesn't change the facts to-date.

Plumbthedepths

tom1ie wrote: »

Has there been any direction from either of these two on stopping American tourists from entering Ireland? Have the media even asked this question?

No they are too busy getting people living here to wag the finger at other people who live here that plan on going on holidays.

PCeeeee

cnocbui wrote: »

Even given today's spike, people are calling for travel bans, quarantines and so forth, rather than wake up to the reality you can't stamp this virus out. A ban on travel might have to be forever. It's ridiculous. No government can afford it. Such a 'cure' is worse then the consequences of facing up to the reality that the virus can outlast our resources and just accepting the consequences, while taking practical and affordable steps to mitigate - such as pervasive mask wearing in enclosed spaces.

Just accepting the consequences will not be acceptable to some people just as more restrictive measures to mitigate the effects of the virus are not acceptable to you.

Part of the facing up to the reality is that accepting that while this virus persists that there will be consequences you don't agree with. Some of these will be restrictions on your previous freedoms that you will not like.

ShineOn7

Eod100 wrote: »

Good news in Italy: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1281289541140254721?s=19

Thanks

I needed that today

I think if we can get our airports under better control we can have a safe as a country can be until/if we get a vaccine or (more likely) very effective treatments

tom1ie

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Tom the evidence from across Europe including here is not hidden. You can get emotive and throw in a few what ifs and the odd outlier but it doesn't change the facts to-date.

Not getting emotive at all plumb. The fact is we are allowing USA tourists and uk Tourist (although I’m not sure what we can do about this) into the country at a time when we have kept numbers low and at a time where we have relaxed restrictions.
It’s bananas to be honest.
Travelling within the Eu imo isn’t a great idea but allowing hotspot tourists in is crazy.

tom1ie

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No they are too busy getting people living here to wag the finger at other people who live here that plan on going on holidays.

Has the question even been asked by our toothless media?

ZX7R

So we will have a list of countries that the associated travel cases came from on Monday.
About time.
It might give an indication of what our green list may be

Spanish Eyes

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Who's that?

He's a You Tube vlogger the channel is called Bald and Bankrupt. It's quite interesting, he spends a lot of time in Russia with Vodkaholics in remote areas, can speak the lingo and I enjoyed it during lock down anyway.

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Hearing of two possible clusters because of house parties involving two GAA clubs in West Cork.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own stupid actions, complete bellends

Plumbthedepths

tom1ie wrote: »

Has the question even been asked by our toothless media?

No because they are engaged in the same practice.

Merry_Hell

Are hits from the SCOPI serological research project being classified as confirmed covid cases? I see the project is concentrating on sligo and dublin.

PCeeeee

PCeeeee wrote: »

Just accepting the consequences will not be acceptable to some people just as more restrictive measures to mitigate the effects of the virus are not acceptable to you.

Part of the facing up to the reality is that accepting that while this virus persists that there will be consequences you don't agree with. Some of these will be restrictions on your previous freedoms that you will not like.

It’s not freedoms that are the issue. It’s economic survival

JP Liz V1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dept of Foreign affairs and the Dept of transport. So Covney and Ryan

Coveney in the media about his perks i.e. driver, car, Gardai protection etc., and Ryan got a haircut

This "new" government off to an awful start

igCorcaigh

I was waiting for someone reputable (Helen Branswell is) to report on this.

May be covid, maybe not.

One to watch anyway.

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1281300761327132675?s=19

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1281229113290825728?s=19

JP Liz V1

tom1ie wrote: »

Not getting emotive at all plumb. The fact is we are allowing USA tourists and uk Tourist (although I’m not sure what we can do about this) into the country at a time when we have kept numbers low and at a time where we have relaxed restrictions.
It’s bananas to be honest.
Travelling within the Eu imo isn’t a great idea but allowing hotspot tourists in is crazy.

I'd be wary of Spanish, German and Italian coming in also and now we have many Irish heading off abroad

cnocbui

PCeeeee wrote: »

Just accepting the consequences will not be acceptable to some people just as more restrictive measures to mitigate the effects of the virus are not acceptable to you.

Part of the facing up to the reality is that accepting that while this virus persists that there will be consequences you don't agree with. Some of these will be restrictions on your previous freedoms that you will not like.

Where have I said explicitly, or implied, that my stance has anything whatsoever to do with my personal circumstances or a resentment of impinged personal freedoms?

Renjit

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Hearing of two possible clusters because of house parties involving two GAA clubs in West Cork.

There goes my plan for Covid rave next week :pac: