Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

ShineOn7

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why are Irish ppl so anti mask?

The "rebel" side of the Irish has done us absolutely no favours since March

We hate being told what to do. In this regard some people just need to grow up

cnocbui

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Who's talking years?

Have a little faith in science. They will figure it out vaccine/treatment.

The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.

cnocbui

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

True. 56000 covid cases and only 264 deaths. Something doesn't add up.

They must be using Chinese calculators.

el Fenomeno

Renjit wrote: »

Update from Baldy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clscC120ZQM

This doesn't sit well at all.

While the video was informative, by his own admission he only got an ICU bed because he had friends who were able to pull some strings with the Russian Government. So obviously ICU beds were hard to come by and at a premium.

Him getting a bed would have come at the cost of someone else getting a bed - someone who maybe didn't ignore all travel advice and social distancing advice and decided to do a travel vlog in Serbia for their YouTube channel.

Completely irresponsible and showing a lack of regard for others welfare. I hope this weighs on his conscience, yet he only seems to be concerned about his own PTSD and welfare.

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The "rebel" side of the Irish has done us absolutely no favours since March

We hate being told what to do. In this regard some people just need to grow up

Indeed, especially being told they need to grow up!

LiquidZeb

cnocbui wrote: »

The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.

It's more about t cells than antibodies. It's actually a good thing that antibodies fade as that means their job is done. The analogy I've seen is antibodies are the firemen putting the fire out and tcells are the fire department on call if they're needed.

MickeyLeari

Is it time to shut down everything - construction sites, retail, restaurants etc at once again?

6 week shut down?

tom1ie

First journalist I’ve heard ask if mandatory quarantine needs to be introduced now for tourists coming from hotspots. Good woman Sharon ní bheoláin

tom1ie

First journalist I’ve heard ask if mandatory quarantine needs to be introduced now for tourists coming from hotspots. Good woman Sharon ní bheoláin

Ae Fond Kiss

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

True. 56000 covid cases and only 264 deaths. Something doesn't add up.

Apparently they wear a vial of gypsy tears to prevent fatal infection and seems to do the trick.

is_that_so

tom1ie wrote: »

First journalist I’ve heard ask if mandatory quarantine needs to be introduced now for tourists coming from hotspots. Good woman Sharon ní bheoláin

Ryan has already said it isn't possible.

ShineOn7

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed, especially being told they need to grow up!

From what I've seen since March it is indeed the over 50s who need to grow up and cop on the most about this

Too many in this demographic are going around like they're bulletproof. It's to be expected from under 20s, but seeing it in older people really surprised me

ShineOn7

el Fenomeno wrote: »

This doesn't sit well at all.

While the video was informative, by his own admission he only got an ICU bed because he had friends who were able to pull some strings with the Russian Government. So obviously ICU beds were hard to come by and at a premium.

Him getting a bed would have come at the cost of someone else getting a bed - someone who maybe didn't ignore all travel advice and social distancing advice and decided to do a travel vlog in Serbia for their YouTube channel.

Completely irresponsible and showing a lack of regard for others welfare. I hope this weighs on his conscience, yet he only seems to be concerned about his own PTSD and welfare.

That's a rather big conclusion to jump to

Travel is his full time job. It would be like giving out about a pilot getting an ICU bed

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

From what I've seen since March it is indeed the over 50s who need to grow up and cop on the most about this

Too many in this demographic are going around like they're bulletproof. It's to be expected from under 20s, but seeing it in older people really surprised me

Not really, they owe you nothing is the attitude and it's very hard to shift them on it. They are also at the stage where they see less time ahead than is behind them so they can often care less about things like mortality.

Hector Savage

SeaBreezes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1281108572580073473
Dr. William Haseltine: "I hope Dr. Redfield ... was quoted out of context when he said it's very, very difficult for children to get sick. That is not true. Children get infected. They infect each other. They infect their parents. And when they do get sick, it is catastrophic."

He goes on to say a friends child got it and just survived but because this virus can also leave brain damage they are watching carefully.


ICU physician on long term sequelae (after recovery):
https://twitter.com/maureviv/status/1279719477454811136

Warning of serious brain issues after mild cases:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms?CMP=share_btn_tw

Children that have died from COVID19:
https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1280930511527923713

COVID19 survivors banned from joining military:
https://twitter.com/dcharrison/status/1280349482228432896

Even I can see this is scaremongering horse**** ...

KrustyUCC

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Is it time to shut down everything - construction sites, retail, restaurants etc at once again?

6 week shut down?

Why is that needed?

Jim_Hodge

is_that_so wrote: »

Not really, they owe you nothing is the attitude and it's very hard to shift them on it. They are also at the stage where they see less time ahead than is behind them so they can often care less about things.

Contrary to what you seem to believe, people over 50 don't spend their lives lamenting lost youth, counting down their remaining days, or playing fast and loose with the many years they hope they have ahead of them.

ShineOn7

is_that_so wrote: »

Not really, they owe you nothing is the attitude and it's very hard to shift them on it. They are also at the stage where they see less time ahead than is behind them so they can often care less about things like mortality.

That all may be true



But it doesn't make it right

ACitizenErased

cnocbui wrote: »

The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.

Antibodies =/= immunity.
There's way more to immunity than antibodies.

is_that_so

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Contrary to what you seem to believe, people over 50 don't spend their lives lamenting lost youth, counting down their remaining days, or playing fast and loose with the many years they hope they have ahead of them.

Fascinating, how you got all that out of my post!

Utopia Parkway

cnocbui wrote: »

The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.

Oxford have already said that their vaccine will produce a far stronger immune response than someone who contracts the virus normally would but it will still wear off over time.

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That all may be true



But it doesn't make it right

We all make our own judgement calls and I certainly haven't seen a whole lot of reckless behaviour from anyone over 30 and not a lot in the under 30s either.

Jim_Hodge

is_that_so wrote: »

Fascinating, how you got all that out of my post!

Clear enough really

They are also at the stage where they see less time ahead than is behind them so they can often care less about things.

is_that_so

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Clear enough really

That just means being over 50 you have less time ahead than behind, pretty obvious really.

ACitizenErased

Found this tweet about the stuff I said earlier about the GAA clubs in Cork.
https://twitter.com/KieranMcC_SS/status/1281281085335384071?s=20

Renjit

LiquidZeb wrote: »

It's more about t cells than antibodies. It's actually a good thing that antibodies fade as that means their job is done. The analogy I've seen is antibodies are the firemen putting the fire out and tcells are the fire department on call if they're needed.

Antibodies are not exactly firemen. They could also act as markers for phagocytes.

tom1ie

is_that_so wrote: »

Ryan has already said it isn't possible.

Really? As in just the uk? I’d love to know how it isn’t possible to stop USA tourists?what has Covent got to say about it as he is DFA?

MickeyLeari

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Why is that needed?

Melbourne did. Look at Leicester, Brazil, Texas.

MickeyLeari

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Found this tweet about the stuff I said earlier about the GAA clubs in Cork.
https://twitter.com/KieranMcC_SS/status/1281281085335384071?s=20

Was the person travelling?

Jim_Hodge

TimeLadsPlease wrote: »

Jim seems to be the only person, besides captain Mainwaring, who has lived on these covid threads since the very beginning.

Not sure if that deserves our pity or respect.

I haven't the foggiest idea what that's supposed to mean. Care to elaborate, or do you just pop in to comment on others rather than discuss anything?

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why with all these figures about internal air transmission are we seeing no big outbreaks amongst staff working within supermarkets? You would assume the virus would spread like wildfire if that was the case as they are exposed daily to customers.

On Prime Time just now a manager from Tesco said they had 34 positive cases out of 13,000 staff.

Gael23

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Oxford have already said that their vaccine will produce a far stronger immune response than someone who contracts the virus normally would but it will still wear off over time.

Would that not just mean you need a booster every year or so? Along the lines of the flu injection

AdamD

hmmm wrote: »

We're catching health care workers because we're testing them regularly. It goes to show how much undetected spread there may be. Opportunities for superspreading aren't going to be allowed anytime soon, but anyone going to a large event indoors (e.g. House party) is an idiot in my opinion.

You might not like it but people are going to start living their lives again, and for some that's socialising and house parties. It's been months, the guidelines are allowing for up to 50 people gatherings, people will have house parties. Do you expect people in their twenties to just continue working full time during the week without their social outlets on the weekend, indefinitely? For many that's just not life. Call it selfish if you want.

tom1ie

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

On Prime Time just now a manager from Tesco said they had 34 positive cases out of 13,000 staff.

Yeah probably because they’ve kept numbers in the shops down.
If you think about a hospital where the icu’s and wards were busy that probably created a lot of viral load in the air which led to a high rate of health care workers getting it.
If numbers going into supermarkets at the same time was increased it would lead to a higher viral load leading to more infections around workers.
That’s why it’s important pubs and everywhere else limit numbers indoors.

tom1ie

AdamD wrote: »

You might not like it but people are going to start living their lives again, and for some that's socialising and house parties. It's been months, the guidelines are allowing for up to 50 people gatherings, people will have house parties. Do you expect people in their twenties to just continue working full time during the week without their social outlets on the weekend, indefinitely? For many that's just not life. Call it selfish if you want.

You do know that’s 50 people socially distanced yeah?

hotmail.com

Growing nervousness now about a second lockdown around Ireland.

tom1ie

hotmail.com wrote: »

Growing nervousness now about a second lockdown around Ireland.

How are you gauging this if I may be so bold to ask?
I would say there’s a growing indifference.

Azatadine

You can feel that the fears of a second wave are rising alright. Certainly the media are propagating that.

Atlantic Dawn

hotmail.com wrote: »

Growing nervousness now about a second lockdown around Ireland.

I'd say any new lockdown will be regionalised, not sure how that would work in say Dublin where you have the airport and people who arrive will want to go elsewhere in the country.

hotmail.com

tom1ie wrote: »

How are you gauging this if I may be so bold to ask?
I would say there’s a growing indifference.

A mixture of both perhaps I'm detecting. It was the same in early March. People were nervous but still acting as if nothing was happening.

ACitizenErased

hotmail.com wrote: »

Growing nervousness now about a second lockdown around Ireland.

A lockdown comes into place when the hospitals become overwhelmed. The hospitals are empty. Not gonna happen.

Lyle

hotmail.com wrote: »

Growing nervousness now about a second lockdown around Ireland.

I think there would have to be an absolutely catastrophic event for a full lockdown all around Ireland to happen again. We may get to a point where we have local, potentially county-wide lockdowns for any locality or county that has particular issues in keeping numbers low over time but I wouldn't lose the head yet worrying about us going back to where we were in April with the whole country locked in, the government should do everything possible to prevent that situation again.

hotmail.com

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lockdown comes into place when the hospitals become overwhelmed. The hospitals are empty. Not gonna happen.

Was this the criteria Melbourne used for their fresh lockdown?

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lockdown comes into place when the hospitals become overwhelmed. The hospitals are empty. Not gonna happen.

Hope your proved right I really do.

tom1ie

Lyle wrote: »

I think there would have to be an absolutely catastrophic event for a full lockdown all around Ireland to happen again. We may get to a point where we have local, potentially county-wide lockdowns for any locality or county that has particular issues in keeping numbers low over time but I wouldn't lose the head yet worrying about us going back to where we were in April with the whole country locked in, the government should do everything possible to prevent that situation again.

Like for example banning USA tourists?

Atlantic Dawn

The government should encourage the building of massive hand sanitizer factories and then when this all blows over in 5 years time they can be retro fitted to produce whiskey or gin.

KrustyUCC

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Melbourne did. Look at Leicester, Brazil, Texas.

That means nothing

Why is a six week lockdown needed for Ireland?

Small cases and very good hospital and ICU numbers at the moment

ACitizenErased

Irish Examiner have it now about the West Cork GAA teams. This could be a turning point for sports going ahead.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/several-west-cork-gaa-clubs-stood-down-pending-covid-contact-assessment-1010306.html

hotmail.com

Lyle wrote: »

I think there would have to be an absolutely catastrophic event for a full lockdown all around Ireland to happen again. We may get to a point where we have local, potentially county-wide lockdowns for any locality or county that has particular issues in keeping numbers low over time but I wouldn't lose the head yet worrying about us going back to where we were in April with the whole country locked in, the government should do everything possible to prevent that situation again.

Local lockdown will presumably mean Dublin. We're a small country and if Dublin locked down, it will affect the whole country.

Lyle

tom1ie wrote: »

Like for example banning USA tourists?

This is why I said "should". I don't actually trust the stupid f*ckers to get much right to be honest on their performance so far but they have to know that we can't sustain a second national lockdown.