Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

timsey tiger

Zonda999 wrote: »

high numbers of tests is a very good thing, even if the rates of positives is tiny. If that keeps up, any clusters will be quickly identified

Not necessarily, high numbers of tests on their own won't do it if they are not sensibly targeted of if people with mild symptoms don't come forward for testing.

Look how far those meat factories went before being picked up and that was at a much higher level of lock down.

Plumbthedepths

timsey tiger wrote: »

I would dispute your assertion that it is a sensible post. All it is, is nonsensical absolutes.

For example the ridiculous assertion that we can't do what New Zealand are doing is obvious because they are further away from everywhere else is patent nonsense, of course we could easily do it if we had the political will to do it, we just don't.

Your post and position falls apart when you factor in we are not one island nation , we are also part of a wider Union of countries.
Dispute all you wish, unfortunately though disputing facts is quite tough.

jojofizzio

Micky 32 wrote: »

Any healthcare worker gets regularly tested. I was talking to a maintenance man that works in a nursing home, also a nursing home worker, they now have to be tested every week.

Not all....I’m a healthcare worker working “on the frontline “ since this kicked off and have never been tested...

Micky 32

jojofizzio wrote: »

Not all....I’m a healthcare worker working “on the frontline “ since this kicked off and have never been tested...

The ones i have spoken too have, and hse workers i have been talking to aswell.

Something seriously wrong if you’re not being tested.

jojofizzio

Micky 32 wrote: »

The ones i have spoken too have, and hse workers i have been talking to aswell.

Something seriously wrong if you’re not being tested.

Nope,not the policy locally...

Zonda999

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Cases are going to rise. People need to understand this. Of course they are going to rise when restrictions are lifted and things open back up. We just need to hope that what they rise to is a low enough number and it stays hovering around that. Similar to how a lot of places in Europe have been for many weeks now.

If we start seeing big jumps week to week. Then maybe it's time to start worrying and looking at where they are coming from. And getting tougher with more targeted measures. But for now, it's pointless panicking for something that that was expected. The hospitals are virtually empty of Covid. And if more young people are getting it now, they may not require hospitalization as much as the older demographic back when it first started. Also just need a majority of people having a bit of cop on and doing their best to keep themselves and others safe.

One thing that needs to happen though is stopping tourists coming here on flights from countries where it's rampant. The wife has family over here from Flagstaff which is in a state full of Covid. Her cousin, the husband, 2 kids and 3 adults from their extended family. The wife showed me one of their Facebook things and she has anto mask videos up. And of course they're down in Glendaloch today having arrived on Wednesday and Guinness store house tomorrow. No self isolating at all. Can't be having that ****e. If the risk of someone catching it in their own country is much higher than here. Then they shouldn't be here now.

I agree, American passport holders should not be allowed into the country at the current time. However, the time to do that was weeks or months ago and I suspect the government would be very slow to do this now. Not just because of the the high level of American investment in this country but also because it would be highly conspicuous at this point.

Thats before you consider the fact that they can just come in through Belfast.

s1ippy

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your post and position falls apart when you factor in we are not one island nation , we are also part of a wider Union of countries.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually this thread refers to Ireland/ NI deaths and cases.

When it suits

timsey tiger

Micky 32 wrote: »

I wouldn’t worry, maybe not in 2020 but the “ positivity posse” will get the last say in the end ;-)

Unless of course you are dead. But, I guess you won't give a **** about it then.

spookwoman

timsey tiger wrote: »

Not necessarily, high numbers of tests on their own won't do it if they are not sensibly targeted of if people with mild symptoms don't come forward for testing.

Look how far those meat factories went before being picked up and that was at a much higher level of lock down.

The more testing the better but we also have a problem where people are not getting tested when contacted by hse on contact tracing.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0706/1151751-ireland-contact-tracing-app/

Micky 32

timsey tiger wrote: »

Unless of course you are dead. But, I guess you won't give a **** about it then.

I’m laughing at the hysteria in that post.

I better get my affairs and will in order, have you? Better hurry up.

SeaBreezes

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-second-wave-of-covid-hits-israel-like-a-tsunami?via=twitter_page

How Israel went from 'golden child' of COVID19 management to shutdowns again.

“Israel is heading to a dangerous place,” she wrote in an 8,000-word indictment of the government’s failure to prepare in any way for a resurgence of illness.

“Despite systematic and repeated warnings through various channels, and discussions in several forums, we are watching with frustration as the hourglass of opportunities runs low,” she warned.

“I have come to the conclusion that in the newly created conditions under which my professional opinion is not accepted—I can no longer help to effectively cope with the spread of the virus.”

All this may sound familiar to Americans in the many states where the virus infections are now spiking. But … it gets worse.

During the six wasted weeks, the period singled out by Sadetzki, schools were chaotically reopened and then, as infections soared, re-shuttered. Parents were unable to foresee re-entering the workforce. The public was instructed to wear masks—but no system of enforcement was put into place. The lists of permitted and prohibited activities shifted daily, with little or no explanation. While Netanyahu actively pursued his (since scuttled) dream of annexing significant parts of the occupied West Bank, the number of people diagnosed with COVID-19 multiplied by 499 percent.

Ashdod, a city on the Mediterranean coast, emerged as a top locus of infection, but no Israeli official could explain why the breezy, fun beach town, where citizens live outdoors during the summer, gained almost 700 COVID-19 patients during the month of June.

Boggles

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

One thing that needs to happen though is stopping tourists coming here on flights from countries where it's rampant. The wife has family over here from Flagstaff which is in a state full of Covid. Her cousin, the husband, 2 kids and 3 adults from their extended family. The wife showed me one of their Facebook things and she has anto mask videos up. And of course they're down in Glendaloch today having arrived on Wednesday and Guinness store house tomorrow. No self isolating at all. Can't be having that ****e. If the risk of someone catching it in their own country is much higher than here. Then they shouldn't be here now.

But but but but they signed a pinky promise paper.

timsey tiger

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your post and position falls apart when you factor in we are not one island nation , we are also part of a wider Union of countries.
Dispute all you wish, unfortunately though disputing facts is quite tough.

How do you know what I wish?

stephenjmcd

The regulations for transport as their written, transport unions say they wont be enforcing it. NTA saying drivers or inspectors can call Gardai. Luas and Dart going to be an issue there and Gardai won't spend their day running around after buses or trains.

Anyway

"If then the person fails to cooperate with gardaí, they can face arrest and prosecution, which could lead to a €2,500 fine and/or 6 months in prison.

Children under the age of 13 will also be exempt from wearing face coverings on public transport, as per the HSE guidelines.

People with trouble breathing, people who cannot remove a face covering without help and people with special needs and who may feel upset or uncomfortable wearing a face covering will also not have to wear them on public transport."

timsey tiger

spookwoman wrote: »

The more testing the better but we also have a problem where people are not getting tested when contacted by hse on contact tracing.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0706/1151751-ireland-contact-tracing-app/

Only up to a point, testing costs money. Resources have to be sensiblely used.

timsey tiger

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m laughing at the hysteria in that post.

I better get my affairs and will in order, have you? Better hurry up.

What hysteria, I was replying to a silly post, with a silly counter point. I guess you must be part of the possie the citizen was asking about.

I thought you were joking, with the smile.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The regulations for transport as their written, transport unions say they wont be enforcing it. NTA saying drivers or inspectors can call Gardai. Luas and Dart going to be an issue there and Gardai won't spend their day running around after buses or trains.

Think this is one of many reasons why we need dedicated transport Gardai

Micky 32

timsey tiger wrote: »

What hysteria, I was replying to a silly post, with a silly counter point. I guess you must be part of the possie the citizen was asking about

No it wasn’t a silly post it’s fact pandemics come and go, . The word “go” is key. I have seen other hysteria posts from you in the past.

Jay Dee

Hi,

Sorry for the delay, I just made the connection,.. What does " hello " mean,.. !!!!!
Didn't see it at all !!!.

Anyway, can you point me, to where the figures are county based ??

Thanks

Jay

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

Think this is one of many reasons why we need dedicated transport Gardai

Yup agree. Should have been done years ago. Been on many buses where its had stones thrown and windows broken, driver asks control for Gardai and 30 mins later still sitting there. They'll send a car when one comes free

Plumbthedepths

timsey tiger wrote: »

How do you know what I wish?

Turn of phrase, but as I said your position falls asunder when you realise there is another separate state on this island who have their own government and policies. Inconvenient I know but a fact none the less.
As of today visitors from 39 countries can arrive in N.Ireland with no quarantine requirement.

Eod100

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

One thing that needs to happen though is stopping tourists coming here on flights from countries where it's rampant. The wife has family over here from Flagstaff which is in a state full of Covid. Her cousin, the husband, 2 kids and 3 adults from their extended family. The wife showed me one of their Facebook things and she has anto mask videos up. And of course they're down in Glendaloch today having arrived on Wednesday and Guinness store house tomorrow. No self isolating at all. Can't be having that ****e. If the risk of someone catching it in their own country is much higher than here. Then they shouldn't be here now.

Not trying to be funny but did ye try to warn them off coming here? Know it shouldn't be your responsibility but think people need to let any people planning to come here know the lay of the land. Without self-isolating they really aren't welcome here. Sounds harsh but have to put health of country first.

timsey tiger

jojofizzio wrote: »

Not all....I’m a healthcare worker working “on the frontline “ since this kicked off and have never been tested...

That seems remiss given the numbers of health care workers infected. Have you queried it with your line manager, maybe there is an administrative error? Have your colleagues been tested?

jojofizzio

timsey tiger wrote: »

That seems remiss given the numbers of health care workers infected. Have you queried it with your line manager, maybe there is an administrative error? Have your colleagues been tested?

It’s come from the line manager,whose line manager it’s come from etc.....none of my colleagues (who work in the sector I do) have been tested..
And my colleagues working on wards in one of the biggest hospitals in the country haven’t been tested either....(different line manager/reporting line)

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can you name who these people are rather than referring to this mystery cult

No I won’t make it personal tbh. You know who I allude to.
Your safe enough citizen your fairly informative and fair with your observations.

ShineOn7

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So before the testing of nursing homes etc kicked off again, on June 26th so 2 weeks ago we took roughly 3,000 swabs that day, on the 26th we had 3 deaths and 11 cases.

In the last 24hrs,
Tests conducted last 24 hours = 9329
Positive test results last 24 hours = 21

An additional 10 cases for an over an additional 6,000 tests. We've increased testing and finding roughly an additional 10 cases per day from when we were doing a third of the tests we are now.

More you test more you find, can only be a good thing.

Thanks for doing the Maths on that

Then today's numbers are actually better than they were at the end of June

Anyone who can't see that needs to go back to School

Boggles

Thread is gone full Trump.

We only have cases because we are testing.

Stop testing = no cases.

Instances of the virus is on the rise, it's pretty simple.

Plumbthedepths

Boggles wrote: »

Thread is gone full Trump.

We only have cases because we are testing.

Stop testing = no cases.

Instances of the virus is on the rise, it's pretty simple.

It's also gone from discussing Covid to discussing 'cults' and other posters.

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

No I won’t make it personal tbh. You know who I allude to.
Your safe enough citizen your fairly informative and fair with your observations.

Thank god I thought I’d be culled!!!

ACitizenErased

Jay Dee wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry for the delay, I just made the connection,.. What does " hello " mean,.. !!!!!
Didn't see it at all !!!.

Anyway, can you point me, to where the figures are county based ??

Thanks

Jay

All county data is available here Jay.
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

tom1ie

jojofizzio wrote: »

It’s come from the line manager,whose line manager it’s come from etc.....none of my colleagues (who work in the sector I do) have been tested..
And my colleagues working on wards in one of the biggest hospitals in the country haven’t been tested either....(different line manager/reporting line)

This is crazy.

ACitizenErased

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's also gone from discussing Covid to discussing 'cults' and other posters.

All we’re trying to do is #MakeIrelandGreatAgain #MIGA

#Plumb2020

Zonda999

Boggles wrote: »

Thread is gone full Trump.

We only have cases because we are testing.

Stop testing = no cases.

Instances of the virus is on the rise, it's pretty simple.

Our rate of positives was very low anyway though and has clearly gone lower as the poster has outlined. In the likes of Texas they were never that low

s1ippy

jojofizzio wrote: »

It’s come from the line manager,whose line manager it’s come from etc.....none of my colleagues (who work in the sector I do) have been tested..
And my colleagues working on wards in one of the biggest hospitals in the country haven’t been tested either....(different line manager/reporting line)

I work with an NGO, disability services. We work closely with HSE home help. None of our or their staff or users have ever been tested as a matter of routine. Also a nursing home employee I spoke with yesterday told me that they haven't had a test in weeks and there's no routine testing scheduled for them in coming weeks.

timsey tiger

Micky 32 wrote: »

No it wasn’t a silly post it’s fact pandemics come and go, . The word “go” is key. I have seen other hysteria posts from you in the past.

I thought you were joking with the smile.

They come and go for sure, how many lives they take and how much economic hardship they cause are not so certain. I'm sure that if this thing gets beyond control and further recks the economy there won't be anybody admitting to laughing.

Hysterical, well thats just your opinion and is sexist BTW. I can't say that I recall you having anything you have ever posted.

spookwoman

timsey tiger wrote: »

Only up to a point, testing costs money. Resources have to be sensiblely used.

Tests cost about €200 each https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-tests-cost-the-state-200-each-says-taoiseach-1.4264130

If people avail of testing it means a better handle on who is infected and who may be spreading, at least this way it can help nip it in the bud before it gets worse. If left unchecked it would cost the state more in hospital bills with more people infected and needing medical care. More people infected also means more chance of another lockdown.

Jim_Hodge

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Thanks for doing the Maths on that

Then today's numbers are actually better than they were at the end of June

Anyone who can't see that needs to go back to School

I get your point but it's not that simple. The bottom line remains that cases have increased and the virus still has the potential to spread further.
"We have more cases because we test more" reminds me of a very unreliable source across the pond.

Jim_Hodge

s1ippy wrote: »

I work with an NGO, disability services. We work closely with HSE home help. None of our or their staff or users have ever been tested as a matter of routine. Also a nursing home employee I spoke with yesterday told me that they haven't had a test in weeks and there's no routine testing scheduled for them in coming weeks.

And a relative working in a nursing home here has been tested several times. Strange.

ACitizenErased

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And a relative working in a nursing home here has been tested several times. Strange.

Likewise here. Friend of ours is tested regularly in a local nursing home.
My father is a healthcare worker in a large hospital and has never been tested.

tom1ie

Jesus. The frontline testing sounds all over the place (albeit I’m judging that on a small sample ie a few posters on this thread)

ShineOn7

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I get your point but it's not that simple. The bottom line remains that cases have increased and the virus still has the potential to spread further.
"We have more cases because we test more" reminds me of a very unreliable source across the pond.

Don't compare us to that clown show Jim, you know better

There's so many asymptomatic cases that you could test 50,000 Irish people tomorrow and the positivity rate will probably still be in or around 0.2%

Santy2015

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-phase-four-re-opening-may-be-delayed-over-fears-around-gatherings-and-house-parties-1010544.html
So that’s phase 4 gone. What a f***ing joke

Boggles

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My father is a healthcare worker in a large hospital and has never been tested.

Non medical workers wouldn't get tested unless they requested it.

ShineOn7

Boggles wrote: »

Thread is gone full Trump.

We only have cases because we are testing.

Stop testing = no cases.

That's not what's been said at all

That's how you're conceiving what's been said

stephenjmcd

Santy2015 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-phase-four-re-opening-may-be-delayed-over-fears-around-gatherings-and-house-parties-1010544.html
So that’s phase 4 gone. What a f***ing joke

House parties have been going on since the start. Timed to give people a scare for this weekend I would think. Seems to be a common theme to give a scare at the weekends.

If his issue is house parties I'm not sure how exactly you stop them.

Let see what next week brings but current case numbers wouldn't be justification to push it back. If its pubs, covid doesn't exactly know the difference between a €9 meal and no meal, anywhere not following the guidelines has been given their scare

timsey tiger

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And a relative working in a nursing home here has been tested several times. Strange.

Maybe, there were cases or suspected cases in that home or in someway associated with it.

I guess if there is a need to be tested once, then it needs to be repeated a few times at regular times, until two full cycles of the virus has passed or something along those lines.

Boggles

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's not what's been said at all

That's how you're conceiving what's been said

Really? If you told me the post below was a tweet from the great man himself I would believe you.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Then today's numbers are actually better than they were at the end of June

Anyone who can't see that needs to go back to School

s1ippy

Glad to hear it about the nursing home testing going on. The employee I spoke to worked in a facility where there were never any cases of covid detected. They were one of the first homes tested back in April. Staff at the facility have reportedly been crying out to their manager to retest in the past few weeks.

I've also regularly emailed the group I worked for throughout this noting the urgency for testing of staff and users of our agency. We go from house to house so huge risks of spreading. I wrote to the Irish Times about it as well when they had a public appeal but I don't believe it was published.

ShineOn7

Santy2015 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-phase-four-re-opening-may-be-delayed-over-fears-around-gatherings-and-house-parties-1010544.html
So that’s phase 4 gone. What a f***ing joke

A phrase I've learnt since March is "soft drop"

It's when the Government intend to do something but get the media to leak it first to soften the blow with the public

That looks like a soft drop and to be honest it mightn't be a bad thing.

For a week or two now (in some cases longer) people are behaving like we've eradicated it from the country

timsey tiger

tom1ie wrote: »

Jesus. The frontline testing sounds all over the place (albeit I’m judging that on a small sample ie a few posters on this thread)

And unreliable data in that small survey too.