Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Santy2015

stephenjmcd wrote: »

House parties have been going on since the start. Timed to give people a scare for this weekend I would think. Seems to be a common theme to give a scare at the weekends.

If his issue is house parties I'm not sure how exactly you stop them.

Let see what next week brings but current case numbers wouldn't be justification to push it back. If its pubs, covid doesn't exactly know the difference between a €9 meal and no meal

It’s going beyond a joke though.
Pubs have got zero guidelines to go by. I know the Gastro Pubs have theirs but that’s because they’re essentially restaurants for now.
It’s getting a bit disheartening now at this stage.
They can’t stop house parties it’s impossible. We are a nanny state

lawrencesummers

Santy2015 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-phase-four-re-opening-may-be-delayed-over-fears-around-gatherings-and-house-parties-1010544.html
So that’s phase 4 gone. What a f***ing joke

If they are worried about cases rising then put some Fawking restrictions on inward travel from the US and the UK.

We have complied with the lockdown, now don’t be asking us to carry the can when the yanks and brits have free reign to come here Because they won’t stand up to Boris or Donald.

Martina1991

Deleted User wrote:

There must be a lot of other doses going round if that many are getting tested.

Patients are tested in ED before being transfered to a ward.
Patients are tested before all surgeries now, and probably other procedures in areas like ENT.
Patients are tested before being discharged to a residential facility.
They all add up.

Micky 32 wrote:

The ones i have spoken too have, and hse workers i have been talking to aswell.

Micky 32 wrote:

Something seriously wrong if you’re not being tested.

Jim_Hodge wrote:

And a relative working in a nursing home here has been tested several times. Strange.

Nursing home staff are being tested regularly due to the targeted testing in those facilities. Given a large portion of our deaths occurred there, they are practically vulnerable.

Hospital healthcare workers are not tested routinely. There are tens of thousands of staff. It would clog the system to test everyone over and over again.

Only those with symptoms or those who have been in contact with a confirmed case are tested.

JP Liz V1

Inglot not reopening their stores

stephenjmcd

ShineOn7 wrote: »

A phrase I've learn since March is "soft drop"

It's when the Government intend to do something but get the media to leak it first to soften the blow with the public

That looks like a soft drop and to be honest it mightn't be a bad thing.

For a week or two now (in some cases longer) people are behaving like we've eradicated it from the country

I'm not sure, looks more like a warning of don't let us find anywhere not following the guidelines this weekend. A kick up the arse for the weekend basically.

He did reference house parties but they've been going on throughout.

Can't see based on current numbers how phase 4 doesn't progress. Let's see how the weekend and numbers look early next week.

But when cases are travel related and clusters being identified, community transmission is low so pushing it back wouldn't add up. Not when even the health minister told people go out and enjoy the weekend but be sensible. Last weekend was the first weekend many places had opened so should be a bit calmer this weekend with any issues ironed out

iamwhoiam

First they need to stop the Americans coming in while they are giving out about parties
I had thought about booking a few days in a hotel in Ireland for a break but not if I have to share a lift etc with Americans who are waltzing in and doing what they like

fritzelly

Santy2015 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-phase-four-re-opening-may-be-delayed-over-fears-around-gatherings-and-house-parties-1010544.html
So that’s phase 4 gone. What a f***ing joke

So even tho 15 cases the other day were from travel but they won't stop people arriving without quarantine the whole country has to suffer because a few idiots had a party (not the first and not the last)

This new government is a bumbling mess

s1ippy

iamwhoiam wrote: »

First they need to stop the Americans coming in while they are giving out about parties
I had thought about booking a few days in a hotel in Ireland for a break but not if I have to share a lift etc with Americans who are waltzing in and doing what they like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al8ty3T9SWo

I posted this earlier but might as well repost for anyone who wants to listen to Americans arriving at Dublin Airport this morning.

I'd be very keen to find out who collects them from the airport. One group said that their family will bring them food etc (!) but how are the rest of them going to sort themselves out for the two week quarantine they allege they're doing? A quick stop off in Tesco before staying on holidays for two weeks by not going anywhere?

Their phones won't be able to use the contact tracing app either as they're not compatible with phones from other countries, so even if they get sick while they're here, anyone who comes into close contact with them will not be informed by the app.

A huge proportion of people down in Crosshaven were wearing masks today, happy to report. Message seems to be sinking in more and more with the general public.

spookwoman

fritzelly wrote: »

So even tho 15 cases the other day were from travel but they won't stop people arriving without quarantine the whole country has to suffer because a few idiots had a party (not the first and not the last)

This new government is a bumbling mess

5 cases today in waterford, we have one of the lowest rates. Last week there was a house party with 60+ people broken up and this may the result of it.

timsey tiger

spookwoman wrote: »

Tests cost about €200 each https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-tests-cost-the-state-200-each-says-taoiseach-1.4264130

If people avail of testing it means a better handle on who is infected and who may be spreading, at least this way it can help nip it in the bud before it gets worse. If left unchecked it would cost the state more in hospital bills with more people infected and needing medical care. More people infected also means more chance of another lockdown.

So €20m a week for the 100k target and that's probably. just the marginal cost.

I'm not disputing your point that more testing would pick up more cases and that this would be a good thing.

I think that it would be preferable to target our testing and reorganise our testing system on a more sustainable manner than was put in place in a rush at the outset, than push for the max number of tests now when in all likelihood all this would do is increase the proportion of negatives given the current low levels of the virus.

polesheep

Boggles wrote: »

Non medical workers wouldn't get tested unless they requested it.

My wife's a nurse in a major hospital and she's never been tested.

KrustyUCC

Santy2015 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-phase-four-re-opening-may-be-delayed-over-fears-around-gatherings-and-house-parties-1010544.html
So that’s phase 4 gone. What a f***ing joke

Martin better had grow a pair before next week

Such alarmist BS

There is no justification for not going to phase 4 with current numbers, hospital cases and ICU numbers

Not to mind the economic damage of keeping thousands out of work for longer and on COVID payments

timsey tiger

spookwoman wrote: »

5 cases today in waterford, we have one of the lowest rates. Last week there was a house party with 60+ people broken up and this may the result of it.

Or it could be a health care worker returning home to her family for the first time since February. It's not a good idea to get ahead of the facts.

Plumbthedepths

fritzelly wrote: »

So even tho 15 cases the other day were from travel but they won't stop people arriving without quarantine the whole country has to suffer because a few idiots had a party (not the first and not the last)

This new government is a bumbling mess

Do you remember the stories in the media coming up to each bank holiday weekend and after. I think I counted at least 3 second waves because people went 100 metres outside of the 2km zone, at the time.
The bs harks back to our school days the threat of detention due to the behaviour of a few. It's actually pathetic and insulting.

Jim_Hodge

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's not what's been said at all

That's how you're conceiving what's been said

In fairness, it's comes across as more than perception it's how it read.

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Martin better had grow a pair before next week

Such alarmist BS

There is no justification for not going to phase 4 with current numbers, hospital cases and ICU numbers

Not to mind the economic damage of keeping thousands out of work for longer and on COVID payments

Dangling the carrot infront of businesses and the general public, behave this weekend or else

Santy2015

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Martin better had grow a pair before next week

Such alarmist BS

There is no justification for not going to phase 4 with current numbers, hospital cases and ICU numbers

Not to mind the economic damage of keeping thousands out of work for longer and on COVID payments

Exactly, it’s a shocking mess. Small Family owned businesses which world usually be the corner stone to many towns are going to the wall!!! There’s 11 people in hospital.. downward trend every week for the past 8/9 weeks.
It’s the hospitals they need to look at. Over 1.2m downloaded the app. We’re testing more then ever. Contact tracing looks like it’s doing well.
Absolutely no reason not to move into phase 4

Boggles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Martin better had grow a pair before next week

Such alarmist BS

There is no justification for not going to phase 4 with current numbers, hospital cases and ICU numbers

Not to mind the economic damage of keeping thousands out of work for longer and on COVID payments

They are looking at the schools.

If they open the pubs, allow 100 to gather indoors and 500 outdoors in 10 days and 6-8 weeks later it surges and they have to back track on full reopening of schools.

Then you will see massive economic damage.

If we see a doubling of the trend or more in the next 10 days, NPHET will not recommend going ahead with phase 4, up to the government then on what to do.

Eod100

ShineOn7 wrote: »

A phrase I've learn since March is "soft drop"

It's when the Government intend to do something but get the media to leak it first to soften the blow with the public

That looks like a soft drop and to be honest it mightn't be a bad thing.

For a week or two now (in some cases longer) people are behaving like we've eradicated it from the country

Or trying to scare people ahead of the weekend. In fairness wasn't the people who brought forward pubs opening by 3 weeks an reduced social distancing from 2m to 1m there so seems a bit rich

Doctor Jimbob

A lot of complaining on here about Americans and British people. Does anyone actually know how many are here on holiday rather than just living here? My partner is American, lives here now, has been here since before the lockdown. We've been travelling around the country over the past week doing plenty of shopping and dining out, and if anyone overheard us speaking they could quite easily assume she's here on holiday. I'm sure there are plenty more in a similar situation.

Even for the ones that are on holiday, I'm sure the majority of them are being careful. We need every bit of money into the economy we can get at the moment. I'm all for sensible restrictions like social distancing, masks, and even discouraging travel. But the idea of closing down the borders altogether as some seem to want is completely unrealistic with our current number of cases.

stephenjmcd

Boggles wrote: »

They are looking at the schools.

If they open the pubs, allow 100 to gather indoors and 500 outdoors in 10 days and 6-8 weeks later it surges and they have to back track on full reopening of schools.

Then you will see massive economic damage.

If we see a doubling of the trend or more in the next 10 days, NPHET will not recommend going ahead with phase 4, up to the government then on what to do.

I get where your coming from but come Monday it'll be 2 weeks since pubs, restaurants whatever they want to call themselves opened some with much more than 100 people as they are allowed to do. No clusters linked to them at the moment. House parties seem to be the concern.

We'll know come Monday / Tuesday the overall impact of phase 3 but so far minimal when cases are being linked to travel clusters in the majority.

And I know you say its trump sounding but it is true the more you test the more you find. If we had kept testing at the levels of 2 weeks ago and not gone into nursing homes again we wouldn't be finding the cases. 5 asymptomatic healthcare staff in 1 nursing home. Another with 1 case found that hadn't had a case since April.

All would have been missed without more targeted testing

Eod100

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

A lot of complaining on here about Americans and British people. Does anyone actually know how many are here on holiday rather than just living here? My partner is American, lives here now, has been here since before the lockdown. We've been travelling around the country over the past week doing plenty of shopping and dining out, and if anyone overheard us speaking they could quite easily assume she's here on holiday. I'm sure there are plenty more in a similar situation.

Even for the ones that are on holiday, I'm sure the majority of them are being careful. We need every bit of money into the economy we can get at the moment. I'm all for sensible restrictions like social distancing, masks, and even discouraging travel. But the idea of closing down the borders altogether as some seem to want is completely unrealistic with our current number of cases.

Newatalk had a reporter at Dublin airport recently and estimated 70 or 80 people per flight . Most interviewed said they would self-isolate but they were on national radio. Get the economic argument but public health has to come first. They're more than welcome to come once this is all behind us.

polesheep

Easy to see why bus drivers don't want to have to enforce a mask rule.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367432

fritzelly

Eod100 wrote: »

Newatalk had a reporter at Dublin airport recently and estimated 70 or 80 people per flight . Most interviewed said they would self-isolate but they were on national radio. Get the economic argument but public health has to come first. They're more than welcome to come once this is all behind us.

And that was just in one morning

One saying he was coming to Ireland because it was so bad in Florida - hello Mr Virus
And BS to isolating while here - they will be out and about, one couple are only here for a week FFS

timsey tiger

Boggles wrote: »

They are looking at the schools.

If they open the pubs, allow 100 to gather indoors and 500 outdoors in 10 days and 6-8 weeks later it surges and they have to back track on full reopening of schools.

Then you will see massive economic damage.

If we see a doubling of the trend or more in the next 10 days, NPHET will not recommend going ahead with phase 4, up to the government then on what to do.

Well of course when it is put like that it seems reasonable.

But but but Martin needs to grow a pair

ShineOn7

Boggles wrote: »

Really? If you told me the post below was a tweet from the great man himself I would believe you.

Than maybe you need to re-learn simple Maths

Today's numbers are better than they were in late June. This has been outlined with facts and figures

I'm not sure what more you're looking for

Eod100

fritzelly wrote: »

And that was just in one morning

One saying he was coming to Ireland because it was so bad in Florida - hello Mr Virus
And BS to isolating while here - they will be out and about, one couple are only here for a week FFS

Exactly. One guy basically saying it was flu, very mild all that crap. Immigration need to turn around anyone with a return flight in less than 2 weeks for starters and even then is it realistic that people travel all this say to self isolate for 2 weeks unless they're here for at least a month?

timsey tiger

Eod100 wrote: »

Newatalk had a reporter at Dublin airport recently and estimated 70 or 80 people per flight . Most interviewed said they would self-isolate but they were on national radio. Get the economic argument but public health has to come first. They're more than welcome to come once this is all behind us.

Did they ask how long the proposed stay was? America is not known for generous holidays, who'd go on holidays to self isolate for two weeks?

Sorry just saw above post now.

Doctor Jimbob

Eod100 wrote: »

Newatalk had a reporter at Dublin airport recently and estimated 70 or 80 people per flight . Most interviewed said they would self-isolate but they were on national radio. Get the economic argument but public health has to come first. They're more than welcome to come once this is all behind us.

How many of those were Irish? How many of those were travelling for something work related? How many of those were of Irish descent coming back for important family visits? Were the flights coming from areas with high numbers of the virus?

I'm not saying it's not something to be looked at, but it's a bit of a leap to assume anyone coming here is on holiday.

sideswipe

To me our situation now has the potential to be a classic case of boy who cried wolf. People have become numb to Threat of Bulgarians/Packed beaches/BLM/House parties etc etc. Personally I’m weary of being wary. But ultimately looking at the rest of the world We are far from out of the woods unfortunately:(

ShineOn7

Eod100 wrote: »

Newatalk had a reporter at Dublin airport recently and estimated 70 or 80 people per flight.

Wait, what? 70 to 80 Americans/British on many flights?

That can't be right surely

Boggles

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And I know you say its trump sounding but it is true the more you test the more you find. If we had kept testing at the levels of 2 weeks ago and not gone into nursing homes again we wouldn't be finding the cases. 5 asymptomatic healthcare staff in 1 nursing home. Another with 1 case found that hadn't had a case since April.

So 6 cases?

Instances of the virus are on the rise, it's that simple.

You pretty much said it yourself earlier.

KrustyUCC

Boggles wrote: »

They are looking at the schools.

If they open the pubs, allow 100 to gather indoors and 500 outdoors in 10 days and 6-8 weeks later it surges and they have to back track on full reopening of schools.

Then you will see massive economic damage.

If we see a doubling of the trend or more in the next 10 days, NPHET will not recommend going ahead with phase 4, up to the government then on what to do.

That's an argument fine

Denmark have schools and pubs etc opened

No real second wave

They had 76 cases 29 June and 47 on 6th of July

Cases will go up and down

If they want the schools open here all they need do is say the schools open on time

No ifs no buts no maybes and its time teachers get back to work

Storm 10

Tonight in Northern Ireland all bars and restaurants are open and you can fly to Spain Italy and Germany were on the same Island for ffs

stephenjmcd

Boggles wrote: »

So 6 cases?

Instances of the virus are on the rise, it's that simple.

You pretty much said it yourself earlier.

6 cases that we've been given data of I use as an example of cases that 2 weeks ago wouldn't have been found. The rest aren't being given.

Of course there's more cases they've said themselves this was expected.

Surely though you understand that when you do two thirds more tests this week than 2 weeks ago you find more cases. Today for example 10 more than 2 weeks ago but 6000 more tests

fritzelly

Storm 10 wrote: »

Tonight in Northern Ireland all bars and restaurants are open and you can fly to Spain Italy and Germany were on the same Island for ffs

That's next weekend planned

Eod100

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

How many of those were Irish? How many of those were travelling for something work related? How many of those were of Irish descent coming back for important family visits? Were the flights coming from areas with high numbers of the virus?

I'm not saying it's not something to be looked at, but it's a bit of a leap to assume anyone coming here is on holiday.

They didn't or couldn't interview everyone obviously but the people they did were American, from Florida and Texas some of worst affected areas and not there for any urgent family reasons according to themselves. I think it's fair to think anyone is not everyone but it's still a valid concern when travel is non essential and people are meant to self isolate. If neither of those criteria aren't being met they shouldn't travel according to the guidance.

Eod100

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Wait, what? 70 to 80 Americans/British on many flights?

That can't be right surely

That was figure Newstalk reporter gave for the few American flights they were in airport for. Wouldn't imagine all are American and no way of knowing how representative it is. Would think airlines could provide passenger manifest to airports to know how many to expect though

Doctor Jimbob

Eod100 wrote: »

They didn't or couldn't interview everyone obviously but the people they did were American, from Florida and Texas some of worst affected areas and not there for any urgent family reasons according to themselves. I think it's fair to think anyone is not everyone but it's still a valid concern when travel is non essential and people are meant to self isolate. If neither of those criteria aren't being met they shouldn't travel according to the guidance.

Yeah, in fairness I agree it's a valid concern and should be looked at more. My first post was more aimed at the "heard from a whatsapp there were Americans in Tramore/there was an English reg car driving about" kind of thing.

JP Liz V1

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

A lot of complaining on here about Americans and British people. Does anyone actually know how many are here on holiday rather than just living here? My partner is American, lives here now, has been here since before the lockdown. We've been travelling around the country over the past week doing plenty of shopping and dining out, and if anyone overheard us speaking they could quite easily assume she's here on holiday. I'm sure there are plenty more in a similar situation.

Even for the ones that are on holiday, I'm sure the majority of them are being careful. We need every bit of money into the economy we can get at the moment. I'm all for sensible restrictions like social distancing, masks, and even discouraging travel. But the idea of closing down the borders altogether as some seem to want is completely unrealistic with our current number of cases.

theboss80 wrote: »

Killarney is mobbed again with tourists. My wife works in retail in town and she said talking to some American customers they are flying to UK and getting ferry or driving down from north in rental cars. It was announced yesterday that people coming from abroad to NI wont have to quarantine anymore, they obviously weren't anyway.

What we are doing is all for nothing if that's the case. The countries borders should have been shut long ago and stayed shut until this passes.

An American couple's two-week vacation in Ireland has turned in to a four-month stay due to the United States COVID-19 travel restrictions.

Pujah Shah, a native of Australia, and Tyler Hoggatt, a US citizen, arrived in West Cork and have been stranded there since March 14, following the lockdown restrictions introduced in Ireland

The couple who live in Seattle, Washington, spoke to, local radio station, C103, and explained that Donald Trump's administration's move to implement a ban on certain work visas means that Shah is now unable to return to the United States. In late June, President Donald Trump extended the 60-day ban on employment visas, including H-1B visas, H-2B visas, H-4 visas, L-1 visas, and certain J-1 visas.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/trump-covid-visa-ban-us-couple-west-cork

Eod100

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yeah, in fairness I agree it's a valid concern and should be looked at more. My first post was more aimed at the "heard from a whatsapp there were Americans in Tramore/there was an English reg car driving about" kind of thing.

Yeah I think some of those cases have been exaggerated because same rumours get repeated so seem like different cases. But not sure why media hadn't sent reporters to airport before now to clarify, fairly easy to do. Also when US doesn't let in people who aren't citizens or residents, then why do we let in people who aren't citizens or residents?

fritzelly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/trump-covid-visa-ban-us-couple-west-cork

I maybe mistaken but that ban only extended to new visas and not existing ones so why didn't they go back?

timsey tiger

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah I think some of those cases have been exaggerated because same rumours get repeated so seem like different cases. But not sure why media hadn't sent reporters to airport before now to clarify, fairly easy to do. Also when US doesn't let in people who aren't citizens or residents, then why do we let in people who aren't citizens or residents?

Or at least insist on a test at their expense along with the pretend quarantine.

Arghus

Boggles wrote: »

Thread is gone full Trump.

We only have cases because we are testing.

Stop testing = no cases.

Instances of the virus is on the rise, it's pretty simple.

I have a sinking feeling that in a few weeks we'll be reading things in this thread along the lines of "cases are still under fifty a day, nothing to be worried about, we're doing great". Then followed by "cases are still under a hundred, nothing to worry about"...

What Username Guidelines

Hse report out for the day, no change, 11 in hospital + 9 in ICU.

No cases detected in hospitals in last 24 hrs.

Neamhshuntasach

Eod100 wrote: »

Not trying to be funny but did ye try to warn them off coming here? Know it shouldn't be your responsibility but think people need to let any people planning to come here know the lay of the land. Without self-isolating they really aren't welcome here. Sounds harsh but have to put health of country first.

We didn't know they were coming here at this time. We knew last year that they had said they were planning on coming next summer. Like they weren't coming to visit us or nothing and wouldn't be too close. We've met up with them before when here but won't be this time. Well maybe at the end of their month stay if no one is sick. The wife told her on one of the messaging things that they shouldn't be just going out and doing things here and that they are supposed to isolate for 2 weeks. But her cousin said they would be careful. Like as if it's something just as simple as looking left and right when crossing the road. Their pictures from the Celt the other day and Glendaloch today didn't show much social distancing with random strangers. Now they could be grand and none of them have it. But there is a greater risk that they have it than most people in Ireland at this stage.

Voltairey

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al8ty3T9SWo

As if they're going to live on air admit that they're going to the Hill of Tara and Newgrange.

Except that one lad who says it's a hoax

Neamhshuntasach

The best way to stop house parties is to open up the pubs. Release clear guidelines now and allow pubs put them in place where they follow them to the letter. Make laws with harsh penalties if warned and still not addressed. At least they are controlled environments and people entering have details collected for contact tracing. House parties have zero control on them and there would probably be people waking up the next day and not even having a clue where they **** they were the night before.

What Username Guidelines

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

We didn't know they were coming here at this time. We knew last year that they had said they were planning on coming next summer. Like they weren't coming to visit us or nothing and wouldn't be too close. We've met up with them before when here but won't be this time. Well maybe at the end of their month stay if no one is sick. The wife told her on one of the messaging things that they shouldn't be just going out and doing things here and that they are supposed to isolate for 2 weeks. But her cousin said they would be careful. Like as if it's something just as simple as looking left and right when crossing the road. Their pictures from the Celt the other day and Glendaloch today didn't show much social distancing with random strangers. Now they could be grand and none of them have it. But there is a greater risk that they have it than most people in Ireland at this stage.

I think it’s a bit like rules of the road. People will pick and choose what suits them and stick to that, convincing themselves they’re acting perfectly responsibly. Often while looking on in disgust at other flaunting either the same stuff or other rules that they’re comfortable with.for example, ask people if they speed, most will say no. Then you tell them that 97% of drivers break the limit in 30km/h zones in Ireland. They’ll likely then argue that 30km zones are too stringent/stupid/etc.

So in this scenario people may attempt to isolate for a fortnight, but sure you “have to get food, so nipping to the shops should be ok, right?”. Or those who don’t apply common sense, and look upon them as rules “the government can’t tell me I can’t buy food” or “they can’t police people getting food”. Even if they don’t fully believe these things, they’ll convince themselves of it to justify it.

Having said all that, the likelihood of people carrying it is low, so most that do the above will be fine and not effect anyone. But the rules are there to catch the one or two or more that might not be fine, and that’s what makes this all so hard.

stephenjmcd

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

The best way to stop house parties is to open up the pubs. Release clear guidelines now and allow pubs put them in place where they follow them to the letter. Make laws with harsh penalties if warned and still not addressed. At least they are controlled environments and people entering have details collected for contact tracing. House parties have zero control on them and there would probably be people waking up the next day and not even having a clue where they **** they were the night before.

Exactly, contact tracing logs to hand in pubs, measures in place.
At the moment I'd rather be in the controlled environment at my own table than a house party with some people I dont know.

Make clear cut legislation that if you dont follow the guidelines you risk being closed, 3 strikes, a warning first, closure for period of time next and third refusal of licence in September.

The issue in Dame Lane last week was born out of a lack of pubs. If everywhere had of been open there wouldn't have been bags of cans