Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

owlbethere

Drumpot wrote: »

I was just reading about this and Fauci basically saying they just don’t know yet how it effects children in terms of spreading Potential. Says on CNN that they are seeing how 2000 families with infected children are working out. Really feels like this is one of those things that’s light on science evidence but is being thrown around for societal convenience (we really do need children in school).

I’ve not seen clear evidence yet that explains why “children don’t spread disease”. Just vague statements that they don’t think they do. But if children don’t usually get bad doses or have symptoms it stands to reason they won’t be tested. Does anybody know of any credible tests done that shows and explains why this line of thinking on children is being taken by default? (That they don’t really spread).

Also, for anybody who has watched medical videos on the virus, there is still so much they don’t fully understand. If you get sick now, you have a better chance of survival now then you did 6 months ago. But the same can hopefully be said in another 6 months. That’s why it’s imperative to mitigate the chances of a second surge.

Contact tracing App and mandatory masks is an excellent start. Have to give our government thumbs up on that, but we must do more to put infrastructure in place. The more we do now, pre - emptive strategies, the better we can handle this in the long term. Monitoring visitors in and out is an obvious one. The cynic in new thinks the government may wait until end of summer to properly regulate this to help tourism while the numbers are low.

I heard Aldi or Lidl are trialing shop deliveries (can’t remember where I heard that), this is a positive. I’d hope most companies who can, will maintain workers working from home until next year at least. The contact tracing APP will hopefully help us see the true areas where the virus spread the most. Pubs in particular may be cleared or shown to be bad places for spread. Either way, this information can hopefully at least be used to get people and pub owners to be more responsible.

I think it’s all about adapting ourselves to the virus in a manner that we can still lead somewhat normal lives. I’m confident we can do it, but we need to use the summer wisely. I’m working on a new service to basically have zoom meetings. My business has been 100% face to face meetings up until COVId so I’m not finding it easy but I’ve accepted this is my best chance of maintaining a company over the coming months/years. Instead of fighting it, I would love to see our country showing innovation and ways of working around it, instead of trying to force things back to normal.

Oh my god, are they going down the route of online grocery shopping and online special buys shopping? This is the biggest news ever if they are. I've been crying out loud for years for aldi and lidl to get on board with the online grocery shopping and home deliveries. It would be great news.

timsey tiger

Renjit wrote: »

People (majority) get the government they deserve.

I doubt that would have been the consensus view in Ireland 160 years ago.

GerryFog

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

stephenjmcd

Heard from people working in Dame Lane area that yesterday was much quieter than last Friday night. Seems based on last night to be as was expected the first weekend to be the busiest and then calm down. Like we've seen in other sectors a busy week followed by a calming down.

Also spotted this on twitter

https://twitter.com/AbiePB/status/1281719851216666626?s=19

ACitizenErased

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Heard from people working in Dame Lane area that yesterday was much quieter than last Friday night. Seems based on last night to be as was expected the first weekend to be the busiest and then calm down. Like we've seen in other sectors a busy week followed by a calming down.

Also spotted this on twitter

https://twitter.com/AbiePB/status/1281719851216666626?s=19

Great to see. Irish people aren’t that stupid.

Icantthinkof1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

in the words of my 93 year old grandfather "I've not lived this long to go out with a whimper". The man goes to the shops daily for his paper, he went to the pub for a Guinness last week. That really said alot to me he doesn't want to waste away any time and he said to me live life without fear, take your precautions but you'll never get these years back. He's right too.

Sorry I know you posted this last night but wanted to say I love your grandfathers outlook! My dad is of the same mindset and I admire him for it

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Heard from people working in Dame Lane area that yesterday was much quieter than last Friday night. Seems based on last night to be as was expected the first weekend to be the busiest and then calm down. Like we've seen in other sectors a busy week followed by a calming down.

Also spotted this on twitter

https://twitter.com/AbiePB/status/1281719851216666626?s=19

Are those pubs open at all? Or even if open would have closed by then probably? Know a lot of pubs are closing at 10/11 with the food requirement

Beasty

Threads merged

Eod100

GerryFog wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

I thought the phrasing of it was odd, ''There have been claims that a person in the group had tested positive for Covid-19 but this was not revealed to others until Sunday.'' When exactly? Presumably before that weekend but when?

But yeah what an incredibly stupid, reckless and selfish thing to do. If one of my friends did that I'd be furious with them.

Gruffalux

GerryFog wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

Imagine being that absolute d1ck that went on to the gathering full well knowing they had coronavirus. Knowing people would be going home to older family. Or maybe the word knowing is inappropriate as cognition is not their strong suit.

KrustyUCC

They wouldn't be a friend after that

ACitizenErased

GerryFog wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

The article says initial reports said they went to pubs but it was then confirmed they did very little movement. One person travelled via public transport. Should be relatively easy to trace.

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The article says initial reports said they went to pubs but it was then confirmed they did very little movement. One person travelled via public transport. Should be relatively easy to trace.

Yeah very fortunate it wasn't worse. But if it only happened last weekend could still take another week for people to have symptoms too.

cnocbui

Chinese virologist claims Beijing DID cover up coronavirus outbreak and says she has had to flee Hong Kong because 'I know how they treat whistleblowers'

Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a former researcher at the University of Hong Kong, has claimed that she was one of the first to study the virus that became known as Covid-19, but that early research was covered up. When she went to her supervisor at the World Health Organization reference laboratory specialising in influenza viruses and pandemics, she was told to keep working on her research she explained in an interview with Fox News. She believes that her sources were soon silenced too, but she was told of human-to-human transmissions well before the WHO said that it was possible for the virus to spread between people. She has since fled China and Hong Kong, and fears for her life should she ever return.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8510747/Chinese-virologist-claims-Beijing-DID-cover-coronavirus-outbreak.html

The Chinese really covering themselves with glory this year. Persecuting whistle-blowers, making others disappear, lying, obfuscating, threatening foreign countries, particularly Australia, for wanting an investigation into the origins of the virus, killing foreign health workers by organising a massive state effort to buy up PPE gear in foreign countries before they were aware of how serious it was and that they would soon need the equipment. Having their soldiers weld nails to iron bars to beat Indian soldiers to death with, and of course their efforts to sterilise and wipe out the Uyghurs with a slow genocide.

You certainly can't accuse them of lack of effort in being as obnoxious as possible.

If that person went knowing they had it, they should be charged. You'd get done for manslaughter where i live if anyone died as a result.

GerryFog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The article says initial reports said they went to pubs but it was then confirmed they did very little movement. One person travelled via public transport. Should be relatively easy to trace.

It's 30+ people.

Did they go into shops? Go to petrol stations? Did they go to a pub? I mean those ****ers are obviously covering up because they have literally put the country at risk.

30+ people are now potentially infected and were going to bars, shops all over Kerry before returning home.

Why the **** is that little **** who knew he/she had covid 19 not being prosecuted?

ACitizenErased

GerryFog wrote: »

It's 30+ people.

Did they go into shops? Go to petrol stations? Did they go to a pub? I mean those ****ers are obviously covering up because they have literally put the country at risk.

30+ people are now potentially infected and were going to bars, shops all over Kerry before returning home.

Why the **** is that little **** who knew he/she had covid 19 not being prosecuted?

You’re jumping the gun a little bit, calm down. Let the health authorities do their work before throwing a hissy.

owlbethere

GerryFog wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cluster-of-covid-19-infections-at-kerry-house-party-investigated-1.4302486

One person KNEW they had Covid and didn't tell anyone until Sunday. By that time the group of 30+ had been going to pubs and bars together and partying all weekend.

The initial infected person should be charged. The rest are absolute goons for even having such a big gathering with people from all parts of the country.

So far to date our government and the majority of the population has relied on other peoples good will to do the right thing during all this and some people are incapable of thinking beyond themselves and this article shows it. The authorities have to come down heavy on this person to set an exam otherwise there's nothing stopping other people from behaving the same way endangering others when they feel unwell.

Eod100

Dr. Cillian De Gascun on RTE Radio 1 now for anyone who's interested

ACitizenErased

Whoever this Robert fella on Radio 1 is will defend this new legislation to the end. A joke of a law, no enforcement, no details.

eigrod

I opened the Tracking App On my iphone this morning and had to go through all the registration steps again (had downloaded it earlier in the week and was working fine for a few days). No iphone or app updates in the meantime. Strange, I probably count as 2 new registrations now.

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Whoever this Robert fella on Radio 1 is will defend this new legislation to the end. A joke of a law, no enforcement, no details.

Robert Troy, FF Minister for State for Trade. Unclear who and how it will be enforced but hopefully that law exists people will comply anyway.

hmmm

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

All these reports of long term effects. It hasn't been around long term. So they've no idea if there will be people in 20 or 30 years with problems due to catching Covid 19 on 2020. Any damage seen now in certain organs has no guarantee of being permanent and could heal naturally. It's important to highlight potential risks considering its a novel virus. But a lot of these articles come off as one trying to out do the other in how bad this is.

"Your lung/kidney/heart/brain damage may be temporary. Cheer up."

ACitizenErased

Eod100 wrote: »

Robert Troy, FF Minister for State for Trade. Unclear who and how it will be enforced but hopefully that law exists people will comply anyway.

This is a disaster. Government having a shocker.

Eod100

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is a disaster. Government having a shocker.

It's like the guidance on pubs, reports that Gardai didn't know what they were enforcing.

Great at bringing out laws but no detail about how or who will enforce. Law on face coverings isn't even published.

And guidance for pubs that are opening on the 20th for first time still not out when it's 9 days away.

Doctor Jimbob

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is a disaster. Government having a shocker.

At least the last Government had a coherent plan even if not everyone agreed with it.

This crowd don't seem to know what they're at.

Eod100

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

At least the last Government had a coherent plan even if not everyone agreed with it.

This crowd don't seem to know what they're at.

I dunno, lot of same players from FG still involved. Maybe change in government didn't help think some of the decisions made by previous government were delayed and unclear too at times. But agree this is worse

castletownman

Eod100 wrote: »

It's like the guidance on pubs, reports that Gardai didn't know what they were enforcing.

Great at bringing out laws but no detail about how or who will enforce. Law on face coverings isn't even published.

And guidance for pubs that are opening on the 20th for first time still not out when it's 9 days away.

Unless they are essentially going to operate the same way as the gastropubs and restaurants are now minus the requirement for a substantial meal, it does seem that they are being treated with disdain.

Any guidelines should have been published in the middle of the week just gone at the latest.

Although I have seen two pubs in my town getting some prep-work done indoors this week (including a full renovation for one of them) so they must have some idea what's in the pipeline.

Doctor Jimbob

Eod100 wrote: »

I dunno, lot of same players from FG still involved. Maybe change in government didn't help think some of the decisions made by previous government were delayed and unclear too at times. But agree this is worse

The fact so many of the same people are involved makes it all the more baffling. The last government weren't perfect but seemed a lot better than what we have at the moment.

The cynic in me wonders if FF are too caught up in internal conflict/the drink driving thing.

Eod100

castletownman wrote: »

Unless they are essentially going to operate the same way as the gastropubs and restaurants are now minus the requirement for a substantial meal, it does seem that they are being treated with disdain.

Any guidelines should have been published in the middle of the week just gone at the latest.

Although I have seen two pubs in my town getting some prep-work done indoors this week (including a full renovation for one of them) so they must have some idea what's in the pipeline.

It could be that, make people sit down at set tables say. But would think a lot of places that don't serve seats wouldn't have tables (unless they've bought them in since) Still have contact tracing but the time thing would be very hard to enforce I think.

As in government have had weeks now to have these published, if they want them open from 20th it seems very last minute.

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

Dr. Cillian De Gascun on RTE Radio 1 now for anyone who's interested

Anything interesting come up?

Plumbthedepths

Eod100 wrote: »

It could be that, make people sit down at set tables say. But would think a lot of places that don't serve seats wouldn't have tables (unless they've bought them in since) Still have contact tracing but the time thing would be very hard to enforce I think.

As in government have had weeks now to have these published, if they want them open from 20th it seems very last minute.

Not sure how the time thing operates in cities but where I live it's completely ignored.

stephenjmcd

castletownman wrote: »

Unless they are essentially going to operate the same way as the gastropubs and restaurants are now minus the requirement for a substantial meal, it does seem that they are being treated with disdain.

Any guidelines should have been published in the middle of the week just gone at the latest.

Although I have seen two pubs in my town getting some prep-work done indoors this week (including a full renovation for one of them) so they must have some idea what's in the pipeline.

Anywhere I know are basically looking at the guidelines from a few weeks ago and adopting them to suit their own pubs minus the food requirement. Best they can do until told otherwise.

Martina1991

bb1234567 wrote:

Is there any way of testing this T cell immunity theory or what?

ACitizenErased wrote:

Yet the governments push on with antibody tests. It is impossible to measure full seroprevalence without also testing t-cells.

ACitizenErased wrote:

Still means they shouldn’t be doing seroprevalence tests because they’re not accurate.

Looking for changes in T cells at a molecular level requires very specialised technology and equipment.

There will always be great advances and discoveries made by researchers in small studies who have these available to them.

To apply that kind of testing to routine labs at a national level is a hop, skip, jump, few years and 10s of millions of euro away.

Renjit

hmmm wrote: »

"Your lung/kidney/heart/brain damage may be temporary. Cheer up."

Cheers

What Username Guidelines

Martina1991 wrote: »

Looking for changes in T cells at a molecular level requires very specialised technology and equipment.

There will always be great advances and discoveries made by researchers in small studies who have these available to them.

To apply that kind of testing to routine labs at a national level is a hop, skip, jump, few years and 10s of millions of euro away.

My daughter has had t-cell specific analysis and it had to be sent to a lab abroad (UK or Italy I think) and it took about 6-8 weeks to get results.

Icantthinkof1

eigrod wrote: »

I opened the Tracking App On my iphone this morning and had to go through all the registration steps again (had downloaded it earlier in the week and was working fine for a few days). No iphone or app updates in the meantime. Strange, I probably count as 2 new registrations now.

This happened to me as well 2 days ago I had to log back in. Strange- I have an iPhone as well

Hego Damask

Are the orangemen bonfires happening tonight in the north ?

Martina1991

What Username Guidelines wrote:

My daughter has had t-cell specific analysis and it had to be sent to a lab abroad (UK or Italy I think) and it took about 6-8 weeks to get results.

I'm not going to ask of speculate why your daughter had that testing but for example T cells can be counted and classified by certain "markers" on the cells.
T helper cells have CD4 markers
Cytotoxic T cells have CD8 markers
B cells have CD19 markers etc.

Certain markers have been established to be changed or effected by certain diseases e.g. HIV targets CD4 markers on T cells.

-We would have to definitively find out what markers SARS CoV 2 attacks.
-Is it one marker, is it more.
-Do these changes occur in the presence of other Coronaviruses or are they specific to this strain.
-How long do these changes last.
-Will they still be detectable long after the patient has recovered.

It is encouraging that T cells have been found to fight off the virus in the absence of antibodies. It suggests some form of immunity, but we still don't know for sure. So right now its not worth trying to provide that kind of testing.

bb1234567

Updated estimates of level of infection put rate of infection at 6.7%in France - about 4.48 million people.
Would put the IFR at 0.67% in France, strikingly similar to the esimtated IFR in New York of 0.69%.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/07/france-estimates-that-6-7-of-population-had-coronavirus/

Neamhshuntasach

hmmm wrote: »

"Your lung/kidney/heart/brain damage may be temporary. Cheer up."

Had a bad dose of malaria after travelling in Africa. Kidney and liver damage. Perfect now.

JJayoo

A few months ago 200,000 deaths was predicted as the worst possible outcome for deaths in America from this Virus.... I think they are gonna hit this by the end of September the way the cases are accelerating.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Anything interesting come up?

Not really tbh. Find they let politicians argue and only ask experts the odd question which is fairly useless.

Eod100

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not sure how the time thing operates in cities but where I live it's completely ignored.

I think it varies per pub. Lot seem to be enforcing it, some don't.

Eod100

Hego Damask wrote: »

Are the orangemen bonfires happening tonight in the north ?

Think it would be tomorrow. Think some are marching at home on virtually, no joke. Probably that bonfires are discouraged but guess there will inevitably be a few

bb1234567

JJayoo wrote: »

A few months ago 200,000 deaths was predicted as the worst possible outcome for deaths in America from this Virus.... I think they are gonna hit this by the end of September the way the cases are accelerating.

https://covid19-projections.com/#view-projections

200,000 deaths sometime in early Autumn looks likely for the US. This is only just the official figure, excess mortality implies there is significant undercounting of deaths occurring in several US states along with this. Who knows how high it would be before a vaccine is distributed.

Eod100

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Had a bad dose of malaria after travelling in Africa. Kidney and liver damage. Perfect now.

Yeah but I guess the main concern about coronavirus is it's so new that long-terms effects won't be known for years.

quartz1

69,000 New Cases announced in one day in the US and we are allowing them fly in here .....the mind boggles . Not even an attempt to legislate for mandatory quarantine for them ..Texan guy interviewed yesterday arriving into Dublin on Newstalk offering his view that Covid is overblown .......

is_that_so

Assetbacked wrote: »

This is an incredible testing regime. Could Ireland learn from it?

Did you have something in mind?

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Another protest let go ahead in Dublin this time its antifa and the so called patriots. But sure blame everyone else. How on earth is this allowed to go ahead and then everyone else gets threatened with not moving onto phase 4

https://twitter.com/eire_saoirse/status/1281942432154779649?s=19

Presume that's the far-right one? Is there a counter-protest? Haven't heard of any. These guys are like the Qanon stuff in US, spreading vile and unhinged stuff about politicians.