Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It says more about America than anything else that he became president. I’ve always said the good people of America have got the leader they deserve.

Do the good people you refer to mean all of the U.S citizenry, or is your "the good people" reference sarcasm to all those who voted in the 2016 election?

Water John

The Pharma Cos are going to refuse to submit a vaccine for approval until they're sure its fully tested and safe. This is a push back against Trump.

Leroy42

Water John wrote: »

The Pharma Cos are going to refuse to submit a vaccine for approval until they're sure its fully tested and safe. This is a push back against Trump.

Not sure they would be too bothered, but what they will want is protection from any potential liabilities should it turn out to cause issues.

Will Trump be prepared to effectively indemnify the Pharma companies,

strandroad

Leroy42 wrote: »

Not sure they would be too bothered, but what they will want is protection from any potential liabilities should it turn out to cause issues.

Will Trump be prepared to effectively indemnify the Pharma companies,

Why would pharma companies want that though. They know they'll sell billions of doses whether it's sooner or later, it's better for them to go through proper process than to rush it and deliver world's most famous dud when they have enough trouble with the anti-vaxxers already. It would be disastrous for the entire industry.

dalyboy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I find it worse that he slated athletes for kneeling during the anthem claiming they were being disrespectful to the military, then it turns out he has said this about dead American soldiers!

Please post a link to video or any recording that supports your assertion that Trump said anything negative about dead soldiers etc.

If you fail then you are a believer in “hear say” and also guilty of propaganda spreading.

I’ll await your link

Water John

dalyboy wrote: »

Please post a link to video or any recording that supports your assertion that Trump said anything negative about dead soldiers etc.

If you fail then you are a believer in “hear say” and also guilty of propaganda spreading.

I’ll await your link

Trusted journalists of various publications have checked this info with multiple sources and they confirm it. That is the standard and universally accepted practice. You seem to have a higher standard, perhaps you'd apply that to Trump also.

Thepoet85

Water John wrote:

The Pharma Cos are going to refuse to submit a vaccine for approval until they're sure its fully tested and safe. This is a push back against Trump.

Seems more like common sense than a push back. Can only imagine how ugly things would get if they released an unsafe vaccine.

Water John

They're making sure they are not drawn into a space where they don't want to be. The Govn't Agency buckled on Hydroxochloro and again on blood plasma. So, they won't even submit their applications.

kowloon

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’m not.
The idea of joining a military and putting your life needlessly in danger or putting yourself in a situation where you have to take someone’s else life strikes me as a pretty stupid thing to do.

Has this always been your belief or is it some mental acrobatics being performed to defend Trump?

Capt'n Midnight

TomOnBoard wrote: »

That was an interesting Trump -supporting boat parade on a Texas lake at the weekend. It appears that the actions of a few well-heeled MAGAs in big boats went fast enough in choppy waters to sink five (5) smaller boats laden with less well-heeled MAGAs by creating a large enough wake to swamp their 'fellow-travellers'.

Soooo many metaphors for Trumpist "I'm alright Jack, and **** you in your ****ty little bathtub! " attitudes that are reflected in Trumpland every day... I don't know where to start!

Hardly news , a bunch of me feiners using their god-given right to do what they want regardless of the consequences to others. It's the American dream

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/trump-boat-parade-lake-travis-texas

aloyisious

dalyboy wrote: »

Please post a link to video or any recording that supports your assertion that Trump said anything negative about dead soldiers etc.

If you fail then you are a believer in “hear say” and also guilty of propaganda spreading.

I’ll await your link

Would videos or recordings of Trump saying negative things about the service given to the U.S by former/retired soldiers during their time in the military who died after leaving the service be good enough to be believable?

TomOnBoard

There's a pathetic 'defense' being trotted out by Trumpists that multiple reports of Trump's disrespect for fallen soldiers are not believable simply because they used unidentified but confirmed sources.

They also have the gall to suggest that we should believe the word of a serial and pathological liar (20,000+ since Jan 2017) over the word of professional journalists.

I feel we should note that the last time a Republican President was turfed out of the White House in disgrace was after Nixon's Watergate cover-up and Carl Bernstein who is one of the reporters whose work led to that outcome had this to say recently:

"'Almost all 200 of our stories about Watergate were based on anonymous sourcing"

amandstu

TomOnBoard wrote: »

There's a pathetic 'defense' being trotted out by Trumpists that multiple reports of Trump's disrespect for fallen soldiers are not believable simply because they used unidentified but confirmed sources.

They also have the gall to suggest that we should believe the word of a serial and pathological liar (20,000+ since Jan 2017) over the word of professional journalists.

I feel we should note that the last time a Republican President was turfed out of the White House in disgrace was after Nixon's Watergate cover-up and Carl Bernstein who is one of the reporters whose work led to that outcome had this to say recently:

"'Almost all 200 of our stories about Watergate were based on anonymous sourcing"

Was it him (or maybe Woodward?) who also said recently that Nixon could well have survived if he had held out?

TomOnBoard

amandstu wrote: »

Was it him (or maybe Woodward?) who also said recently that Nixon could well have survived if he had held out?

I think John Dean said something like that..

dalyboy

aloyisious wrote: »

Would videos or recordings of Trump saying negative things about the service given to the U.S by former/retired soldiers during their time in the military who died after leaving the service be good enough to be believable?

No. They are not related to this situation.

dalyboy

Water John wrote: »

Trusted journalists of various publications have checked this info with multiple sources and they confirm it. That is the standard and universally accepted practice. You seem to have a higher standard, perhaps you'd apply that to Trump also.

And yet there were trusted people present that are refuting this allegation too.

A lot of people are happy to swallow anything that the media feed them and then clap away like hungry seals for more.

This entire story stinks of a smear campaign (a tactic the democrats use regularly)

cantwbr1

dalyboy wrote: »

And yet there were trusted people present that are refuting this allegation too.

A lot of people are happy to swallow anything that the media feed them and then clap away like hungry seals for more.

This entire story stinks of a smear campaign (a tactic the democrats use regularly)

Who are the trusted people who are refuting the allegations?

abff

dalyboy wrote: »

And yet there were trusted people present that are refuting this allegation too.

A lot of people are happy to swallow anything that the media feed them and then clap away like hungry seals for more.

This entire story stinks of a smear campaign (a tactic the democrats use regularly)

The good old “fake news” response. I guess it seems to have worked for Trump in the past and there’s no reason to expect him or his supporters to abandon it as a tactic at this stage.

Let me ask you a question. If multiple ‘trusted’ people say that something happened and a small number of ‘trusted’ people say that it didn’t, who are you going to believe? Bearing in mind that not only has Trump continually lied since getting into office, but has had a number of people lie for him, some of whom are now serving prison sentences as a consequence of having done so.

And others have been granted presidential pardons. Do you consider it possible that the negative consequences of not backing up Trump’s lies, combined with the possibility of a presidential pardon if you’re caught doing so, might act as an incentive for people to lie on his behalf?

Leroy42

The question needs to be answered as to why, given thar we are expected to believe that he respects the troops, dix he not bother to attend the event?

Apparently it was becuase it was raining! Is that not disrespectful?

Remember, that he was there as part of h8s job, to represent the US and pay respects on behalf 9f the countty.

So even if, and its a big if given what we know of him, but even if he didn't say those words then one is still left with the fact thsg he failed to show any disrespect by his actions.

Talk is chesp, Trump can say anything, but his actions that day, and his failure to stick up for troop targeted by Russia, shows how little respect he has.

aloyisious

dalyboy wrote: »

No. They are not related to this situation.

I stand corrected. It's good to see the difference between Trump scorning the dead U.S Military who died in service as against the dead former U.S Military scorned by Trump in similar manner.

Leroy42

dalyboy wrote: »

No. They are not related to this situation.

It most certainly is. It shows that it is entirely plausible that Trump not only thinks this but openly says it.

It shows us the character of the man. It shows that he thinks service men who are captured are losers. Is it that far of a stretch to think he feels the same about those that are killed?

Character witnesses are important. To dismiss the story entirely, based only on a known liars word and the word of his supporters, one needs to also ignore this part of his character.

Itssoeasy

I don’t know if anyone watched the press conference from trump yesterday evening our time ? I only caught a bit of it and Jesus the part I watched was a giant pity party by trump. He said Obama would be treated differently to him and he lashed out at GOP members of Congress who he said weren’t doing enough to help.

Quin_Dub

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I don’t know if anyone watched the press conference from trump yesterday evening our time ? I only caught a bit of it and Jesus the part I watched was a giant pity party by trump. He said Obama would be treated differently to him and he lashed out at GOP members of Congress who he said weren’t doing enough to help.

He also tried a new angle on the "Respect the Military" piece.

Said that the soldiers love him (Polls say different) because he's bringing them home but that the Generals and the Pentagon hate him because all they are interested in is starting wars to keep the Military Industrial Complex happy.

Interesting angle from the man who has increased Military spending to record levels and who hired all those leaders in the Pentagon .

Really not sure what group of people he's trying to win over with that one.

Leroy42

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Really not sure what group of people he's trying to win over with that one.

He isn't trying to win over anyone, not directly. It is all about changing the narrative. Getting the conversation turned to talking about military leaders, spending etc rather than the stories of him insulting dead service men and women.

For example, is Covid even a talking point anymore? Sure the military story is damaging, but he can brazen that out and stick to his story that it is a fake, pretty safe in the knowledge that there will never be enough evidence.

But Covid is something that is a terrible, and constant weight around his neck. But, tbf, he has successfully managed to pivot the conversation away from his chaotic performance to talking about isolated protests and even less rioters.

To listen to Trump=, you would imagine that the biggest issue in the US right now was BLM and protestors. Which, I don't have a specific tally, but the death toll is way less than 100 and economic damage is probably a few million

IN contrast, Covid is 190k dead, 6m positive cases and literally billions in lost economic activity and costs.

duploelabs

dalyboy wrote: »

Please post a link to video or any recording that supports your assertion that Trump said anything negative about dead soldiers etc.

If you fail then you are a believer in “hear say” and also guilty of propaganda spreading.

I’ll await your link

The military traditionally don't get involved in political matters, secondly look at what happen to Alexander Vindman (and his twin brother bizarrely) when he did speak up

StringerBell

The slant was that he has lost most support from the officer class in the military so he is still trying to say the common soldiers (the real men of the military) still love him, of course, and it's just those elites that have agendas that are against him. The usual ****e.

Quin_Dub

Leroy42 wrote: »

He isn't trying to win over anyone, not directly. It is all about changing the narrative. Getting the conversation turned to talking about military leaders, spending etc rather than the stories of him insulting dead service men and women.

For example, is Covid even a talking point anymore? Sure the military story is damaging, but he can brazen that out and stick to his story that it is a fake, pretty safe in the knowledge that there will never be enough evidence.

But Covid is something that is a terrible, and constant weight around his neck. But, tbf, he has successfully managed to pivot the conversation away from his chaotic performance to talking about isolated protests and even less rioters.

To listen to Trump=, you would imagine that the biggest issue in the US right now was BLM and protestors. Which, I don't have a specific tally, but the death toll is way less than 100 and economic damage is probably a few million

IN contrast, Covid is 190k dead, 6m positive cases and literally billions in lost economic activity and costs.

I get that to an extent , although you are right about Covid - He is getting a remarkably easy ride on that at present. Although I expect Biden to be pretty relentless about it in the debates.

I saw an article last night discussing all of the books/articles that are either out there or about to be released.

The Cohen book is out today I think , then there is the Bob Woodward book due in a few weeks as well.

The point of the article was not that the books would necessarily change many voters minds although they could have some small effect.

It was more that because of Trumps nature they will distract him , he'll be compelled to rail against the stories from the books and call people liars and "fake news" etc. etc. - All the while eating up time that he doesn't have to shift the narrative toward Biden etc.

dalyboy

cantwbr1 wrote: »

Who are the trusted people who are refuting the allegations?

Former national security adviser John Bolton has agreed that the allegations are MADE UP .

Have you noticed where the Made Up reports are coming from ?
They are from “anonymous” sources.
Hilarious dog and pony show , I can’t understand how anyone can possibly be sucked in with this BS

Stallingrad

Itssoeasy wrote: »

He said Obama would be treated differently to him

I lol'd at that part, I wonder why? A compulsive lying, divisive, ignorant pornstar f*cking huckster versus as credible, dignified, intelligent, master statesman. Why indeed.

Timberrrrrrrr

dalyboy wrote: »

Former national security adviser John Bolton has agreed that the allegations are MADE UP .

Have you noticed where the Made Up reports are coming from ?
They are from “anonymous” sources.
Hilarious dog and pony show , I can’t understand how anyone can possibly be sucked in with this BS

Bolton also said

""I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things," Bolton told host Martha MacCallum. "The president has a habit of disparaging people. He ends up denigrating almost everybody that he comes in contact with whose last name is not Trump."