Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

pixelburp

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How do people look at a government that behaves like this and go "yeah, thats the kind of integrity we need"


I mean, I find I'm putting this in such a large percentage of posts about Trump but surely people look at the behaviour and know that if he jumped back to being a democrat and behaved exactly the same way, they'd be hammering him for pretty much everything hes done since becoming president. If you look at a politician and know thats the case but still vote for them, youre an idiot. It's beyond just voting for "any Republican/Democrat" its hero worship of a degenerate. A degenerate they know is a degenerate.


https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1282870795925159938

Utterly off topic but I've seen a few overt right wing, Trump friendly satirists (much from Scarvino) and they're nearly universally awful. If they're not "punching down" taking swipes at the compassionate or well meaning, they're borderline racist Uncle Sam polemics. Satire only works IMO if it's attacking those in power rather than mocking those facilitating the powerful.

Fauci becoming the enemy of Trump adjacent politics feels particularly obscene. Can't be so smug as to think we're not suffering from Lockdown Fatigue ourselves, but it hasn't translated into openly attacking the experts or those trying to protect and minimise the infections.

Penn

pixelburp wrote: »

Utterly off topic but I've seen a few overt right wing, Trump friendly satirists (much from Scarvino) and they're nearly universally awful. If they're not "punching down" taking swipes at the compassionate or well meaning, they're borderline racist Uncle Sam polemics. Satire only works IMO if it's attacking those in power rather than mocking those facilitating the powerful.

Fauci becoming the enemy of Trump adjacent politics feels particularly obscene. Can't be so smug as to think we're not suffering from Lockdown Fatigue ourselves, but it hasn't translated into openly attacking the experts or those trying to protect and minimise the infections.

I read on Twitter that among the leaks the Trump admin were providing to disparage Dr.Fauci was that they call him 'Dr. Gloom and Doom' because of how pessimistic his warnings etc are.

How do they not realise how sh*tty that makes THEM look rather than Dr.Fauci? They're nearing 140k deaths with cases still rising and breaking new records on an almost daily basis in some states.

Quin_Dub

Penn wrote: »

The most egregious part of it is Scavino calling himself and Fauci "colleagues" as if they're in any way equatable with regards what Fauci speaks about.

Indeed - Scavino , who got his job because he was Trumps caddy as a Teenager comparing himself to Dr Fauci, a man with 40+ years of experience running a major department in charge of immunology and Virus control..

Carfacemandog

pixelburp wrote: »

It's not like the individualism isn't riddled with its own hypocrisy: after-all, the Rand institute applied for a PPP loan:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ppp-ayn-rand/in-sign-of-the-times-ayn-rand-institute-approved-for-ppp-loan-idUSKBN248026

IIRC even Rand herself said if the government wanted to give free money, you'd be an idiot not to take it (but I don't have a source on that). Universal healthcare might be popular, but it nearly always runs afoul of said individualism, manifest either through Rand'esque ideology or other similar repugnant views like the Wealth Bible. Younger generations might be coming around to vague ideas of Social Democracy, but they're butting heads against 50+ years of cultural indoctrination that tells the fundamental core of America is you step over others to get what you want. And let's be honest here: that's also part of human nature anyway, one even Social Democracies have to fight at the best of times. The difference is that (say) Ireland or Germany doesn't have it built into their respective identities of self.

Ayn Rand relied on socialised healthcare (medicare) and social security in her old age and poor health. She, just like everyone who follows her, is a hypocrite.

Any by everyone, I do more or less mean it. Get 10,000 Rand followers and take everything from them in some catastrophic event - food, clothes, savings, all equities, jobs and careers, shelter, transport... anything and everything. Then offer them social security or other programs and you would be at most a dozen turn it down while the other 9,988+ couldn't line up quick enough.

Carfacemandog

pixelburp wrote: »

Fauci becoming the enemy of Trump adjacent politics feels particularly obscene. Can't be so smug as to think we're not suffering from Lockdown Fatigue ourselves, but it hasn't translated into openly attacking the experts or those trying to protect and minimise the infections.

Nah, it's been obvious for many, many months that this would happen (unless Fauci went full on lackey, which he just never seemed the type to be).

And it was obvious that when it did, the cult would do as told and stop telling how Trump is totally correct on his insane coronavirus statements because Fauci wasn't actively speaking out against them... to turning on Fauci almost instantly into a threat who cannot be trusted and must be discredited at all costs.

This is how cults work. We have been through this cycle probably a few dozen times now over the course of this administration. This shouldn't be surprising at all, and it will happen several more times to several more people between now and November. The only criteria needed is that the person doesn't offer enough support to Trump's lies and bull**** - that literally is it.

Muahahaha

duploelabs wrote: »

Well I don't think 9/11 would have motivated such a spend if it was done by white christian Americans but because it was perpetrated by people of a different faith and skin tone, well then, open up the bank

Isnt that so true. I remember Chomsky writing about the post 911 atmosphere in America at the time and saying the media and body politic was on a 24/7 infinite feedback loop of scaring the bejaysus out of the the population that they were going to be attacked by Iraq any day now. There was even the widely believed claim that Saddam could launch weapons of mass destruction in under 45 minutes.

Turned out Saddam didnt even have any WMD but that didnt stop the military industrial complex from spending trillions in case he did. If you didnt support American interventionist and hawkish foreign policy that then meant the falsie dichotomy that you didnt 'support our troops' and were therefore 'UnAmerican'. Lies and fear were ubiquitous and it allowed hawks to massively increased the military budget. They themselves created the atmosphere of fear and came up with the solution of war. It really was extraordinary times.

Igotadose

So, apparently there's some legislation in NY State that might open the door to prosecuting Roger Stone. Seems a bit of a reach to me, but he did threaten a NY state resident at one point. Still, Stone is constantly in legal crosshairs and presumably would have the resources (possibly via TrumpCo) to fend this off: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/legal-experts-have-figured-out-a-way-for-roger-stone-to-go-back-to-prison/

stinkypinky

Slightly off topic but I'd really recommend watching the Netflix documentary on Stone, very entertaining. He's a vile individual but very charismatic.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/get_me_roger_stone

Itssoeasy

A new addition to the president trump coronavirus word salad is his answer to a question about the fact that cases in the US are rising because of other reasons other than more testing. The answer he gave included the words "Biden and Obama stopped testing in the middle." What they stopped testing isn't clear because it certainly wasn't coronavirus because this particular one didn't exist during 2009-2016 so there would be no test to do.

PropJoe10

stinkypinky wrote: »

Slightly off topic but I'd really recommend watching the Netflix documentary on Stone, very entertaining. He's a vile individual but very charismatic.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/get_me_roger_stone

Seen that yeah, the man is an absolute scumbag. Fits nicely into the Trump universe. I'd love to know what sort of dirt he has on Trump. I'd say it's extremely juicy.

Carfacemandog

Itssoeasy wrote: »

A new addition to the president trump coronavirus word salad is his answer to a question about the fact that cases in the US are rising because of other reasons other than more testing. The answer he gave included the words "Biden and Obama stopped testing in the middle." What they stopped testing isn't clear because it certainly wasn't coronavirus because this particular one didn't exist during 2009-2016 so there would be no test to do.

Maybe he was referring to swine flu? You know, 5he one where Obama and Biden's leadership helped them keep deaths to between 2.5-8.5% of the world's deaths (12,500 for the US, global estimates fluctuate)

The US under Trump with (NY and NJ aside) had literally months to prepare that his predecessor never did, can today boast that the US accounts for 24% of all coronavirus deaths, even despite their somewhat miraculous achievement of getting their official death toll lower than the often mocked figures coming out of Russia.

Such a shame for him too. If only Obama had left him a perfectly well running centre of sorts for controlling these diseases or like, I don't know, a pandemic unit or something, Trump could have combined that with the economy Obama left for him and strolled to victory in November.

eire4

Muahahaha wrote: »

Isnt that so true. I remember Chomsky writing about the post 911 atmosphere in America at the time and saying the media and body politic was on a 24/7 infinite feedback loop of scaring the bejaysus out of the the population that they were going to be attacked by Iraq any day now. There was even the widely believed claim that Saddam could launch weapons of mass destruction in under 45 minutes.

Turned out Saddam didnt even have any WMD but that didnt stop the military industrial complex from spending trillions in case he did. If you didnt support American interventionist and hawkish foreign policy that then meant the falsie dichotomy that you didnt 'support our troops' and were therefore 'UnAmerican'. Lies and fear were ubiquitous and it allowed hawks to massively increased the military budget. They themselves created the atmosphere of fear and came up with the solution of war. It really was extraordinary times.

Bush and the Republicans also used the atmosphere to massively privatize large amounts of all that military spending. The military industrial complex is utterly out of control in the power that it holds in the US and now that has spread and become massive for the private sector as well and not just in terms of companies making things for the US military but in terms of actual out sourcing.

Thargor

Lincoln Project does good ads but this is hilarious:

aloyisious

pixelburp wrote: »

Fauci becoming the enemy of Trump adjacent politics feels particularly obscene. Can't be so smug as to think we're not suffering from Lockdown Fatigue ourselves, but it hasn't translated into openly attacking the experts or those trying to protect and minimise the infections.

Re Dr Fauci, CNN ran two short video clips. In the first, the deputy surgeon general gave a media briefing to the effect that there was light at the end of the tunnel in respect of the fight against the virus and in the second Dr Redfield gave a media presentation on the virus [like there was nothing to worry about] along the lines of Trump's view of the virus.

I think Dr Redfield was clearly putting distance between himself and Dr Fauci and I reckon there's a chance that Dr Fauci will be unwillingly be leaving Govt service and will be fired by Trump or the HSS Secretary, despite CNN calling him [or maybe because of it] the presidents chief virus expert. Having said that, that's only my reading of the two briefings.

Given how the return to usual service in the way Trump has been pushing has now been turned on its head in some states due to the upsurge in the numbers of freshly infected persons, with governors and mayors, even one judge, directing a return to lockdowns at state and municipality levels, Trump will probably see them as slighting him and tweet his anger.

The way DeVos has been pushing for the re-opening of schools to safeguard the health of the nations school children is a direct copy of Trump's line on the economy and the workers, with her not caring about the adult teachers health in the classrooms and their crony in the Senate [Mitch McConnell] pushing an insurance indemnity bill forward to provide for Govt funding to cover teachers, health care workers and shop staff if they transmit the virus to others in work. The workers won't be able to refuse to return to coalface working as they would be indemnified from the effects of being sued. That's what DeVos is also pushing through the threat to defund schools which decline to re-open as Trump wants. Imagine the scene, classrooms full of kids and not a teacher around as they are infected due to DeVos and Trump. That's the mental and physical insanity of Trump-ism.

TomOnBoard

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Nah, it's been obvious for many, many months that this would happen (unless Fauci went full on lackey, which he just never seemed the type to be).

And it was obvious that when it did, the cult would do as told and stop telling how Trump is totally correct on his insane coronavirus statements because Fauci wasn't actively speaking out against them... to turning on Fauci almost instantly into a threat who cannot be trusted and must be discredited at all costs.

This is how cults work. We have been through this cycle probably a few dozen times now over the course of this administration. This shouldn't be surprising at all, and it will happen several more times to several more people between now and November. The only criteria needed is that the person doesn't offer enough support to Trump's lies and bull**** - that literally is it.

The Cult has never liked Fauci and have been nipping at his heels since very early on. He's always stayed in his own lane and refused to be deflected, even when he appeared on the same podium as Trump. You'd often see Trump making stupid statements and Fauci setting the record straight in a firm but diplomatic manner within minutes, and Trump would have had to nod away with that peculiar robotic stance of his, and you'd just know he was thinking "This little bollix"!

Fauci was never forgiven by the Cult after the face-palm incident. And he was never forgiven by Trump by being more trusted in polls than Trump was.

Now, Hermes scarf lady... A different story altogether... She lost credibility months ago!

Headshot

Imagine 136 thousand people dead and Trump going off in a tirade against Biden

Jebus he really is unhinged

Cody montana

Trump is speaking live.
He's a rambling lying mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyexhRRyi2E

aloyisious

I'm hoping that if Trump loses the election, he would be prosecuted at state and municipality level only of malfeasance and corporate manslaughter charges in respect of his mishandling of the virus outbreak, no federal charges, so that he would [if convicted] not be able to be pardoned or otherwise given an easy ride ala Roger Stone.

It's sickening that one of the mooted reasons Stone had his sentence commuted was to avoid the chance that he could be infected by the virus in prison [maybe just a bit of supposition] however the same reason was reportedly given for and during the bail application for Ghislaine Maxwell today.

Rjd2

Thargor wrote: »

Lincoln Project does good ads but this is hilarious:

Rick Wilson along with Bill Kristol is the worst Never trumper and both have been getting way to easy of a time regarding their own records and how they contributed to the political atmosphere that made Trump possible.

That was nice and actual satire as you assume plenty watching have been conned by these "principled" Never Trumpers.

abff

Cody montana wrote: »

Trump is speaking live.
He's a rambling lying mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyexhRRyi2E

I’ve just listened to him rant on for about five minutes. Nothing new to say, just the same old sh*te over and over again. Makes my flesh crawl.

Jack1985

Rambling mess

uncleoswald

Did he really just say that the European Union was formed to take advantage of the US?

Jack1985

uncleoswald wrote: »

Did he really just say that the European Union was formed to take advantage of the US?

I tend to lose concentration when I hear the pots ringing, would be great if every so often Dr. Birx could appear to take his temperature.

Overheal

CNN cut away when it became clearly just a case of Trump trying to Hatch Act himself some free air time.

Of course, the Hatch Act doesn't include the President, but most Presidents are a little more differentiating between execution of duties and of campaigning. These reporters were gathered to hear the US's response to the China-HK situation, not re-electioneering.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-cuts-away-from-trump-rose-garden-event-hes-clearly-deteriorating-into-a-campaign-type-speech/

Cody montana

Trump says that net-zero carbon emissions for buildings "basically means no windows."

You heard it folks, Biden wants to get rid of windows.

Cody montana

Questions!!!!!!

Gods Gift

The Bikers.
Backbone of America

Jack1985

OANN reporter now asking him questions they rehersed earlier, such bullsh*t.

Headshot

I wish reporters wouldnt even give him time tbh, it was basically a mini propaganda event

TomOnBoard

So, now that the White House attempts to gaslight the gravity of resurgent Covid-19 infection in words has failed, and everyone knows they are simply lying through their collective teeth, they've decided to shut off the flow of data upon which objective analysis can be made.

From tomorrow, Wednesday, hospitals have been told to bypass the CDC with their reporting of cases and report instead directly to the DHS in DC.

And they said that CHINA was fudging the figures??? Well, you ain't seen nothing yet!!! What DeSantis has been doing in Florida migrates onto the national stage... Appalling denial of reality and suppression of facts!

Overheal

RBG hospitalized with fever and chills

TomOnBoard

Overheal wrote: »

RBG hospitalized with fever and chills

They're saying it's a bile duct infection. .. really hope is not the Rona! !!

I've just dusted down the Rosary beads. I'll be fingering them all night... :eek

aloyisious

TomOnBoard wrote: »

So, now that the White House attempts to gaslight the gravity of resurgent Covid-19 infection in words has failed, and everyone knows they are simply lying through their collective teeth, they've decided to shut off the flow of data upon which objective analysis can be made.

From tomorrow, Wednesday, hospitals have been told to bypass the CDC with their reporting of cases and report instead directly to the DHS in DC.

And they said that CHINA was fudging the figures??? Well, you ain't seen nothing yet!!! What DeSantis has been doing in Florida migrates onto the national stage... Appalling denial of reality and suppression of facts!

Some-one in the W/House realised the truth was sinking into peoples minds again.

TomOnBoard

So, Jeff Sessions's attempt at political resurrection has fallen flat in Alabama tonight. He's been beaten by Trump favourite Tommy Tuberville who will face off against Doug Jones in November.

It as hard to see Jones retaining that seat for the Dems but Tuberville's close association with Trump may have become a liability by then...

Overheal

wasn't even close; not sure if people just hate Sessions, just really love Trump, really thought Tubs was the best man, or what. Was Trump endorsing him before he had a chance of winning?

Leroy42

Overheal wrote: »

wasn't even close; not sure if people just hate Sessions, just really love Trump, really thought Tubs was the best man, or what. Was Trump endorsing him before he had a chance of winning?

Does it matter why? People had the choice to go with a clear Trump lacky or someone who actually stood up for the law.

They overwhelmingly choose Trump and have effectively given their endorsement to Trump to continue as is. A big win for Sessions would have sent a shock wave through the Trump team. Instead this gives Trump a massive boost.

one can only conclude that GOPers are .ore than happy with Trump, and thus how he is performing.

Timberrrrrrrr

Overheal wrote: »

CNN cut away when it became clearly just a case of Trump trying to Hatch Act himself some free air time.

Of course, the Hatch Act doesn't include the President, but most Presidents are a little more differentiating between execution of duties and of campaigning. These reporters were gathered to hear the US's response to the China-HK situation, not re-electioneering.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-cuts-away-from-trump-rose-garden-event-hes-clearly-deteriorating-into-a-campaign-type-speech/

Has this ever happened with another president?

EltonJohn69

Would Trump have enough time to Jusitice Ginsberg ??? All hell would break loose after what sessions did with Obama’s nominations

StringerBell

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Would Trump have enough time to Jusitice Ginsberg ??? All hell would break loose after what sessions did with Obama’s nominations

McConnell

And nope, all hell wouldn't break loose, McConnell has already confirmed he would fill the seat. He would do it with a big smile on his face because his voters don't give a **** and he don't give a **** either.

eldamo

TomOnBoard wrote: »

So, now that the White House attempts to gaslight the gravity of resurgent Covid-19 infection in words has failed, and everyone knows they are simply lying through their collective teeth, they've decided to shut off the flow of data upon which objective analysis can be made.

From tomorrow, Wednesday, hospitals have been told to bypass the CDC with their reporting of cases and report instead directly to the DHS in DC.

And they said that CHINA was fudging the figures??? Well, you ain't seen nothing yet!!! What DeSantis has been doing in Florida migrates onto the national stage... Appalling denial of reality and suppression of facts!

I predict a sharp downturn in both cases and deaths, pew pew pew! Go trump.

StringerBell

I would hope that at this point people realise that it isn't just Trump is the big problem here. He could not do the things he does without having so many complicit partners.

eldamo

StringerBell wrote: »

I would hope that at this point people realise that it isn't just Trump is the big problem here. He could not do the things he does without having so many complicit partners.

Absolutely, but those partners are loving having him be the front of the operation, all previous presidents had to at least pretend they gave a **** (god dubya looks like a saint at this stage).


Can you imagine the shenanigans they will get up to if he gets reelected, i can't even imagine a trump who doesn't have to worry about reelection.

aloyisious

eldamo wrote: »

I predict a sharp downturn in both cases and deaths, pew pew pew! Go trump.

Unfortunately for those aboard the USS Nation, the iceberg under the water will still sink the ship.

eldamo

aloyisious wrote: »

Unfortunately for those aboard the USS Nation, the iceberg under the water will still sink the ship.

I have no idea why the hospitals are full, must be the radical left....


i can imagine him ignoring any and all questions that involve the word covid and or corona from now on


na na na. i can't hear you, gotta say kung flu

Quin_Dub

Overheal wrote: »

CNN cut away when it became clearly just a case of Trump trying to Hatch Act himself some free air time.

Of course, the Hatch Act doesn't include the President, but most Presidents are a little more differentiating between execution of duties and of campaigning. These reporters were gathered to hear the US's response to the China-HK situation, not re-electioneering.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-cuts-away-from-trump-rose-garden-event-hes-clearly-deteriorating-into-a-campaign-type-speech/

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Has this ever happened with another president?

Even Fox News thought is was mental..


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1283180368594718721

I know Baier is one of the actual journalists on Fox , but still having them say it out loud on Prime Time is something

Overheal

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Has this ever happened with another president?

Where they used a White House address to just bash their opponent for the better part of an hour? No I really don’t think so, not in modern history. Even right wing pundits panned the performance

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bret-baier-republicans-would-have-been-up-in-arms-if-obama-gave-the-campaign-style-speech-trump-just-did/

Edit: quin beat me there

Quin_Dub

And Ivanka breaking the Hatch act (again) closed out the day..

Ivanka Trump is facing backlash after tweeting a photo of herself holding up a can of Goya beans. The tweet from the president's daughter includes Goya's slogan, "If it's Goya, it has to be good," in both English and in Spanish. She also posted the image to her Facebook and Instagram pages.

aloyisious

The White House is backing away from Peter Navarro's Op-Ed piece slamming Dr Fauci, as it was not approved for publication by the Administration Publicity people there.

aloyisious

eldamo wrote: »

I have no idea why the hospitals are full, must be the radical left....


i can imagine him ignoring any and all questions that involve the word covid and or corona from now on


na na na. i can't hear you, gotta say kung flu

You certainly can mimic his mindset off to a T. He probably would not appreciate your sarcasm at his expense.

Leroy42

aloyisious wrote: »

The White House is backing away from Peter Navarro's Op-Ed piece slamming Dr Fauci, as it was not approved for publication by the Administration Publicity people there.

Yeah, I believe that as much as I believe the numbers being reported!