Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

amandstu

abff wrote: »

I said in an earlier post on this thread that Trump’s illness would be a real test of the extent to which he had brought us down to his level.

I don’t believe that Trump is worthy of a lot of respect - his behaviour over the last four years has been so deplorable that it’s not really all that surprising that a lot of people are relishing seeing him suffer.

But we should respect ourselves by behaving in a more civilised way than the man himself would. We don’t know what the outcome of Trump’s illness will be, but I think we should wait to see how things develop before speculating on what might happen if he doesn’t get re-elected.

That is true. Whilst lacking empathy for the man (and feeling any empathy should be directed to his victims) we have to try not to make ourselves any dirtier than necessary.

That said , I am sure his supporters are , as we speak trying to spin this story to their perceived benefit and it may be too late to get our retaliation in later.

Let's be clear eyed . Odd are he comes out of this with minor losses but at least hopefully his Covid strategy will be damaged and the public should be the better off for that .

Fingers crossed.

greenfield21

Why do people keep bringing up remdesevir?

Inquitus

greenfield21 wrote: »

Why do people keep bringing up remdesevir?

I guess because Trump has been treated with it as part of his Covid regimen.

Gbear

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

I really hope he doesn't die, for law and justice to prevail, he needs to rot in prison, while himself and whole family are bankrupted by their criminal carry on

Trumpism needs to be exposed for a failed cult/ideology it is. So future generations think twice before embracing charlatans.

A large part of the ability to stonewall investigations and the pushing through of unsuitable or illegal cabinet positions, security clearances, etc, is down to Trump being able to brazen out literally anything and break any law or norm with impunity.

With him out of the picture I think it would be a very different case.

His actions as President would be even easier to investigate if there was less concern about fighting a living former president in court. His children would lose most of the clout lended to them by their association with Trump and would become more exposed. I think they'd be thrown to the wolves by their erstwhile allies in the Republican party in a bid to avoid getting caught in any criminal or political aftermath.

Needless to say, a Pence win would result in it all getting swept under the rug, and things would carry on almost the same as they previously had, but with a veneer of respectability to obfusticate their criminal activity, but if Biden wins, I don't think Trump dying would cause less justice to prevail, and it might guarantee that his spawn wouldn't return at a later date to further dismantle American democracy.

It might mean that the process could take on a more "truth and reconciliation" aspect, which might not please those out for blood, but might be more beneficial in terms of shoring up the structure of American governence and democracy.

Also, more important, is that without Trump I think they will lack a figurehead to as effectively marshall their personality cult in the case where they try to steal the election. Trump doesn't even really need to die for that to be the case. As it is, I think having him less visible over the minimum two weeks of isolation, and even more if he is still absent leading up to the election, will neuter some of the belligerence of the fascist elements of the Repbulican base.

greenfield21

Inquitus wrote: »

I guess because Trump has been treated with it as part of his Covid regimen.

Sorry didn't see latest update...

That's regeneron and remdesevir now, this is getting interesting.

Quin_Dub

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Another senator Ron Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus so that’s the third republican but he’s not on the judiciary committee.

That starts to make things challenging for the SCOTUS vote.

That's 3 senators out for at least 2 weeks, assuming they don't get ill with the virus, then it could be longer.

I would not be at all surprised to see a few more test positive over the next few days, they've all been cheek by jowl in recent days.

If they are sick, they can't vote...

Itssoeasy

So there will be an update at 4pm(I assume that’s Irish time) and we will see what the state of play is.

I’ve been thinking and I suppose it was the right course of action to send him to hospital given he’s the president and I assume that it’s better for his medical team to be proactive rather than reactive to a possibly fast moving situation. But it surprised me not that he went to hospital but how fast he went to hospital even accounting for what I said about being proactive and not reactive.

Quin_Dub

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So there will be an update at 4pm(I assume that’s Irish time) and we will see what the state of play is.

I’ve been thinking and I suppose it was the right course of action to send him to hospital given he’s the president and I assume that it’s better for his medical team to be proactive rather than reactive to a possibly fast moving situation. But it surprised me not that he went to hospital but how fast he went to hospital even accounting for what I said about being proactive and not reactive.

I saw an article talking about them deciding to take him to Hospital early, while he could still get there under his own steam because the optics of him being taken from the White House on a gurney would have been incredibly damaging, not just for his re-election, but in general as well.

They were just theorising, but given what appears to be the rapid onset of symptoms there's a degree of logic to it.

PropJoe10

thecretinhop wrote: »

classy guys real classy the man is in a hospital bed yet ye still cant hold back.. says more about ye 2 b honest.

Those who want respect, give respect.

one armed dwarf

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Those who want respect, give respect.

Actually sounds like something Prop Joe would say lol

Muahahaha

StringerBell wrote: »

Pence will be the republican nominee and he will choose a vice president if he wins the election. It is not mandated that way, they could select someone else but in reality they won't.

I know this is getting into the twilight zone but if Pence became the nominee who would be in the running to be his VP, someone like Lindsey Graham?

Also good to see that the Pence Harris debate is still going ahead next Thursday. This debate has now taken on significant added importance given that Trump is in hospital with his outcome being uncertain and that Biden needs to test negative for another 4 days to make sure he doesnt have the virus. The NYT are reporting that Kamala and Pence are going to be placed 12 feet apart on the debate stage which is about three and a half meters. The 12 feet is up from the 7 feet distance that was previously agreed.

Kamala is going to have to walk a tightrope during this debate. She cant stick the boot into a hospitalised Trump but at the same time Covid will be one of the topics and he has ended up catching it having dismissed it as a hoax that will go away. She needs to get her point across on Covid without directly attacking a hospitalised President.

transylman

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Actually sounds like something Prop Joe would say lol

Close, same channel, wrong show. Tony Soprano

Dillonb3

Something that has gone under the radar after Trump's Corona virus diagnosis but Tom Fitton is been nominated to a position that can remove Judges. Fitton is always on Lou Dobbs spouting out nonsense about alleged crimes committed by Obama and Biden and wants them prosecuted

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1312210036253319169

PropJoe10

transylman wrote: »

Close, same channel, wrong show. Tony Soprano

We have a winner!

StringerBell

MadYaker wrote: »

The relationship between Pence and Trump isn't the normal President/VP relationship imo. Trump supporters have no interest in Pence, he's purely there to shore up the white evangelical vote and I'm not sure he'd be able to carry the flag for the Trump movement if you know what I mean. It's essentially a personality cult, it's not based on policy or anything like that so I'm not sure who would be able to pick up Trump's mantle and run with it.

If trump was performing in the polls I would give that more credibility, but the right wing Christian are the republicans bread and butter and they love Pence. I think secretly a lot of the republicans in Congress in general would actually be a lot happier with a president Pence regardless. If trump drops out for whatever reason I would bet my house on Pence being the nominee.

PropJoe10

StringerBell wrote: »

If trump was performing in the polls I would give that more credibility, but the right wing Christian are the republicans bread and butter and they love Pence. I think secretly a lot of the republicans in Congress in general would actually be a lot happier with a president Pence regardless. If trump drops out for whatever reason I would bet my house on Pence being the nominee.

It'd surely be too late to replace Trump with anyone other than Pence at this stage anyway.

StringerBell

Muahahaha wrote: »

I know this is getting into the twilight zone but if Pence became the nominee who would be in the running to be his VP, someone like Lindsey Graham?

Also good to see that the Pence Harris debate is still going ahead next Thursday. This debate has now taken on significant added importance given that Trump is in hospital with his outcome being uncertain and that Biden needs to test negative for another 4 days to make sure he doesnt have the virus. The NYT are reporting that Kamala and Pence are going to be placed 12 feet apart on the debate stage which is about three and a half meters. The 12 feet is up from the 7 feet distance that was previously agreed.

Kamala is going to have to walk a tightrope during this debate. She cant stick the boot into a hospitalised Trump but at the same time Covid will be one of the topics and he has ended up catching it having dismissed it as a hoax that will go away. She needs to get her point across on Covid without directly attacking a hospitalised President.

Probably not Graham, though I'd expect him to be named AG shortly after inauguration. I guess it would come down to the republicans strategists thoughts on how to plan out the next 10 years. Would they go with old guard or look to younger for the future.

StringerBell

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It'd surely be too late to replace Trump with anyone other than Pence at this stage anyway.

Nothing stopping them legally but it is very unlikely imo

Christy42

I note he is not being treated with any of the snake oil he was peddling early in the year and spent a load of money getting a big supply from India.

The fsctt hat he pushed snake oil that even he won't use is being swept under the rug. Or well there is just far, far too much of it to keep up with.

As for celebrating his illness. I for one am not but It is what it is. I do recall him having great fun when Hillary was sick 4 years ago. Thankfully Biden is a better man than him.

Jack1985

POTUS Physician dodging whether or not he was on oxygen at any point denying he was Thursday or today Saturday and that he wasn't at Walter Reed on admission - NYT reporting at the WH on Friday that POTUS oxygen levels dropped and he required Oxygen prior to decision to transfer him to Walter Reed.

Timeline now seems to have holes too, Physician states he is 72hrs into his diagnosis which would mean positive result on Wednesday however he contradicted himself and then stated it was Thursday afternoon he was tested and result was early Friday AM.

How does it take multiple hours for a PCR result for the POTUS?

Itssoeasy

Add Chris Christie to the list of confirmed cases.

That 72 hours gaffe by the presidents doctors was enlightening and shows that they may not be telling the public the full truth.

Jack1985

If it's 72hrs Trump attended a rally in Duluth, MN as well as travelling to NJ the following day.

That is criminal conduct. We may not only be dealing with a massive super spreader event that now involves multiple jurisdictions but a scandal not seen before in the White House.

Igotadose

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Add Chris Christie to the list of confirmed cases.

That 72 hours gaffe by the presidents doctors was enlightening and shows that they may not be telling the public the full truth.

Even the #IMPOTUS doctor comes across slimy. Had "Physician to the President" embroidered on his uniform. Tacky. Name is sufficient for any other doctor, some slack as he can put his military rank on it if he wants.

Oh. Sen. Ron Johnson testing positive. WH and the attendees at the Barrett party (lucky her and husband they already had Covid this year) are coming down with it like crazy. The pictures of Kellywise yakking with Barr, who'd be a poster child for worst-shape-to-be-in-when-you-contract-covid, seems to show lots of others at risk.

Kellywise's daughter now is isolating, claims Mum lied to her about her diagnosis.

CelticRambler

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That 72 hours gaffe by the presidents doctors was enlightening and shows that they may not be telling the public the full truth.

:pac:

In the land of the Ambulance Chasing Lawyer, you'd have to wonder if there's a mad scramble to find Trump supporters who went to that rally and are now positive. It's one thing to sign a waiver when you're told "nobody knows ... we'll see what happens"; totally different if the person asking you to sign the waiver already knows that they're contagious. :mad:

CelticRambler

Igotadose wrote: »

Even the #IMPOTUS doctor comes across slimy. Had "Physician to the President" embroidered on his uniform. Tacky. Name is sufficient for any other doctor, some slack as he can put his military rank on it if he wants.

And now someone slipping a note to the reporters saying "don't believe everything you hear on the telly, he's actually in a bad way ..."

amandstu

From the RTE

"Itt is painful for me as a Trump supporter," he said.

"I know there is a lot of division in our country but this is heartbreaking for everyone. I hope, at this point. If we don't unite over this situation there will be no unity in this country ever again," Steve said.


Such ignorance.That people can unite in sympathy towards Trump in this present situation. ???

Not that I actively wish him harm

Jack1985

I have zero sympathy for this man or those in his circle who are positive, I reserve my sympathy for those exposed to Coronavirus by this reckless maniac and his cult following.

duploelabs

Igotadose wrote: »

Even the #IMPOTUS doctor comes across slimy. Had "Physician to the President" embroidered on his uniform. Tacky. Name is sufficient for any other doctor, some slack as he can put his military rank on it if he wants.

He's also just a osteopath, not to degrade such a profession, but he's hardly a specialist in treatment of infectious infectious diseases.

PropJoe10

amandstu wrote: »

From the RTE

"Itt is painful for me as a Trump supporter," he said.

"I know there is a lot of division in our country but this is heartbreaking for everyone. I hope, at this point. If we don't unite over this situation there will be no unity in this country ever again," Steve said.


Such ignorance.That people can unite in sympathy towards Trump in this present situation. ???

Not that I actively wish him harm

Delusion is a key ingredient to being a Trump supporter. Everything bar what Trump says and does is wrong. One rule for the Great Leader and one for everyone else.

I don't think its unfair to say that if the roles were reversed, Trump's supporters (or at least a fair % of them) would be out celebrating and shouting from the rooftops about how idiotic Biden is for wearing a mask. And Trump would be declaring on Twitter that a man of such mask-wearing weakness should not be in the race and that he should win by default.

Jack1985

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Add Chris Christie.

That virus is going to run wild inside him.

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1312422797445132289?s=20