Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

amandstu

Nody wrote: »

From what I recall you can have it twice (or more theoretically) because there are mutations on the same virus meaning anti bodies against Covid19 A does not necessary protect against Covid19 B etc.

Would it be milder second time around even if it had mutated?( I didn't think there had been any significant mutations till now)

Scuid Mhór

Nody wrote: »

From what I recall you can have it twice (or more theoretically) because there are mutations on the same virus meaning anti bodies against Covid19 A does not necessary protect against Covid19 B etc.

No. Most findings of studies are finding that antibodies only protect you for 3 - 4 months, after that you can be reinfected again. It hasn't mutated into separate strains but it has mutated into something less lethal than we saw in Wuhan originally.

MadYaker

Just when you thought 2020 couldn’t get any more mental

fly_agaric

Recall reading this a while ago (from late August). Looks prophetic now.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/white-house-coronavirus-measures/615841/

The most famous address in America now feels like a coronavirus breeding ground. Later tonight, President Trump will address the nation from the White House’s South Lawn, where hundreds of chairs have been arranged with little regard for social distancing.

This afternoon, Secret Service agents checked to see if I was armed, but no one asked if I was ill. Upon reaching the entrance to the press-briefing room, I found the first indication that the nation is in the midst of a historic pandemic. A sign posted by the White House Correspondents’ Association instructed journalists to wear a mask and “spend as little time here as possible.” Beyond that, it was business as usual...

...Not everyone is participating in the fantasy that the pandemic is behind us. On my way out of the building today, I passed a pair of janitors cleaning a break room. They both wore masks.

I do not wish illness of any kind on anyone and hope Trump + others infected recover soon but it is hard, so very hard to feel any shred of sympathy for him or other republicans that have caught Covid.
The man bears alot of responsibility for the extremely poor US, and perhaps in some respects the fairly poor Western response to the virus given how key the US is to us all and the influence it has.
Growing up under the spell of Hollywood, was always (until quite recently) expecting that the US would be the engine room of humanity in a crisis like this, using science and rationality to beat back the pandemic, leading the way etc, all that good stuff. Instead we have Trump and the 2020 US Republican party.
It is very depressing.

CelticRambler

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

It hasn't mutated into separate strains but it has mutated into something less lethal than we saw in Wuhan originally.

Hard data is still scarce on this point, but the newer strain(s) seem to be less lethal but more contagious. All the time Trump has been whining on about the "China" virus, he's effectively referring to the original Wuhan strain that reached the US West Coast early on (most notably the cause of the Washington State outbreak).

What he ignored was the "new and improved" Bergamo strain that was considerably more contagious, arrived in the US from Europe about a month later and booted the Wuhan strain into insignificance.

I've seen no recent reports to back this up, but given the epidemiological soup that is the US, I'd be very surprised if a bigger, stronger, shinier, tremendously American strain hasn't evolved by now.

If that is the case, it could play havoc with vaccine development, which would leave an eventual President Biden with something of a dilemma: whether to start the testing and research programmes all over again - with yet more money poured into the Covid hole - or impose the kind of severe movement restrictions that should have been put in place right at the beginning, with an obviously negative effect on the economy.

If it can be shown they continued as normal after positive diagnoses the media need to absolutely nail them for it. Without a big turnaround in the polls I wouldn't be surprised to see Fox drop Trump and the GOP in general doing the same.

Itssoeasy

Deleted User wrote: »

If it can be shown they continued as normal after positive diagnoses the media need to absolutely nail them for it. Without a big turnaround in the polls I wouldn't be surprised to see Fox drop Trump and the GOP in general doing the same.

Well according to some of the Lincoln project top brass many of the staffers are trying to “find the off ramp” from trump and some of the campaign staff are refusing to come to work.

Blowfish

So, random thought and I'm far from an expert in the area, but does the presidential physician count as an enlisted member of the military? If it does, then they'd be bound to obey all lawful orders from their commander in chief, Trump. Hypothetically then, if Trump ordered them to downplay his symptoms to press, wouldn't they have to obey?

aloyisious

Mitch plans to go ahead with the hearing for the USSC nominee, even though he plans to curtail usual senate business. The mind boggles at the thought of the USSC nominee and infected GOP senate judiciary committee members being in the same room together, plus if she was voted in, the chance of a carrier then moving into the presence of the USSC bench.

Nody

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

No. Most findings of studies are finding that antibodies only protect you for 3 - 4 months, after that you can be reinfected again. It hasn't mutated into separate strains but it has mutated into something less lethal than we saw in Wuhan originally.

Guess that depends on your definition of different strains.

A new study shows a 33-year-old man who was treated at the hospital for a mild case in March harbored the virus again when he was tested at the Hong Kong airport after returning from Europe on 15 August, less than 5 months later. He had no symptoms this time. Researchers had sequenced the virus, SARS-CoV-2, from the first infection; they did so again after the patient’s second diagnosis and found numerous differences between the two, bolstering the case that the patient had been infected a second time.
...
“Even though [the patient] got infected with a very different strain that’s distinct from the first time around"
...
In the current case, the press release and paper excerpts say, the HKU scientists found 24 differences between the first and second viral genome, including one in the first virus that truncates a gene known as ORF8. “There’s sort of no chance that it’s the same infection twice,” Barrett says

aloyisious

Blowfish wrote: »

So, random thought and I'm far from an expert in the area, but does the presidential physician count as an enlisted member of the military? If it does, then they'd be bound to obey all lawful orders from their commander in chief, Trump. Hypothetically then, if Trump ordered them to downplay his symptoms to press, wouldn't they have to obey?

Probably not. As commissioned officers they would have obligations beyond those to Trump. Resignation would be the clear way out for them.

StringerBell

aloyisious wrote: »

Mitch plans to go ahead with the hearing for the USSC nominee, even though he plans to curtail usual senate business. The mind boggles at the thought of the USSC nominee and infected GOP senate judiciary committee members being in the same room together, plus if she was voted in, the chance of a carrier then moving into the presence of the USSC bench.

Would assume they will do it remotely or have vote by proxy? Is that possible?

Of course it's just more evidence of what is really important to McConnell and the senate republicans

looksee

Blowfish wrote: »

So, random thought and I'm far from an expert in the area, but does the presidential physician count as an enlisted member of the military? If it does, then they'd be bound to obey all lawful orders from their commander in chief, Trump. Hypothetically then, if Trump ordered them to downplay his symptoms to press, wouldn't they have to obey?

I do think you might be on to something in relation to the experimental drugs though. Of course its more likely he would be asking for hydroxichloroquine, but maybe they had to talk him out of it and offer miraculous alternatives.

StringerBell

Blowfish wrote: »

So, random thought and I'm far from an expert in the area, but does the presidential physician count as an enlisted member of the military? If it does, then they'd be bound to obey all lawful orders from their commander in chief, Trump. Hypothetically then, if Trump ordered them to downplay his symptoms to press, wouldn't they have to obey?

All lawful orders yes, or resign of course, but their oath is to the constitution not the president. I do think however that there are circumstances where it is understandable, preferable even to keep certain facts out of the public domain at times.

CelticRambler

looksee wrote: »

Of course its more likely he would be asking for hydroxichloroquine, but maybe they had to talk him out of it and offer miraculous alternatives.

Supposedly he'd already taken a course of HCQ, under the supervision of Dr. Conely, so maybe he's accepted that it's useless.

Water John

Well the WH Chief of Staff, off the record, briefed the press as to probably the real state of Trump's health. Why?
Did he feel it correct that the people should know?

looksee

One article I was just reading (not sure where, I was just browsing) was suggesting that WH staff were trying to distance themselves from the WH, and that some were even refusing to come to work.

Timberrrrrrrr

looksee wrote: »

One article I was just reading (not sure where, I was just browsing) was suggesting that WH staff were trying to distance themselves from the WH, and that some were even refusing to come to work.

The term "rats deserting the sinking ship" springs to mind.

Jack1985

His breathing isn't that great.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312525833505058816

Jack1985

Further to the above;

Remdesivir which POTUS has begun a 5-day course of prescribed by his medical team is only usually prescribed when blood-oxygen levels are below 94% it forms part of a criteria in the US to target drugs to those who need it.

martingriff

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The term "rats deserting the sinking ship" springs to mind.

Ah now staff could mean anyone not just his close confidants

Timberrrrrrrr

martingriff wrote: »

Ah now staff could mean anyone not just his close confidants

In some places the lower paid "unskilled" workers are more important than the management.

martingriff

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

In some places the lower paid "unskilled" workers are more important than the management.

Yes and that is why rams escaping is not a good term. That was my point

FrostyJack

Jack1985 wrote: »

His breathing isn't that great.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312525833505058816

He does look a bit shook, but that is the most positive I have seen him in a briefing in a while, if ever. No jabs or hyperbole. Imagine he was like that all the time.

listermint

The video is completely at odds to how is own CoS indicated yesterday which leads me to actually believe it was recorded at landing. They learnt from Boris radio silence and have something ready to send out.

StringerBell

Jack1985 wrote: »

His breathing isn't that great.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312525833505058816

Sounds alright to me tbh, stuck to the script well enough.

StringerBell

Jack1985 wrote: »

His breathing isn't that great.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312525833505058816

Sounds alright to me tbh, stuck to the script well enough.

Field east

StringerBell wrote: »

Sounds alright to me tbh, stuck to the script well enough.

Based on that 4 min + presentation and his comments re did not want to be locked up, being out in front, etc, etc, I would expect him to give us a daily update on his progress, do a bit of canvassing re upcoming election, update on national/ international matters, etc etc, and knowing Pres Trumps form one would expect him to milk the media for all its worth.
SO WHY IS HE NOT DOING IT?

At a more basic level why has the tweeting stopped - if even only to keep in contact with his base?

timsey tiger

Field east wrote: »

Based on that 4 min + presentation and his comments re did not want to be locked up, being out in front, etc, etc, I would expect him to give us a daily update on his progress, do a bit of canvassing re upcoming election, update on national/ international matters, etc etc, and knowing Pres Trumps form one would expect him to milk the media for all its worth.
SO WHY IS HE NOT DOING IT?

At a more basic level why has the tweeting stopped - if even only to keep in contact with his base?

The tweeting is a worry. I would definately expect that to increase, the other stuff, not so much sounds like work.

Quin_Dub

What would he tweet about though?

He can't go after "Sleepy Joe" for housing in his basement, He can't bang on about "Open up the country" and the like.

What's he going to do, Tweet about Policy??


Without the attacks, he has absolutely nothing to say