Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

According to Fox News, Hannity will be interviewing Roger Stone at 9PM tonight. Leading questions should make Stone's answers media quotable, especially if he targets US justice as he sees it practiced and if he'll be like Rudy and confirm he's still working with the Trump campaign - dissect the bones of the interview. It's worthwhile checking on it every so often to see if investigative journalists are still working there setting the record right, so to speak.

Carfacemandog

Billy Mays wrote: »

I'm gonna go with option b

And some people still try to say it's not a cult. :pac:

It has been clear for years, with the two geniuses in the image above being just the latest examples, that there is literally nothing Trump could do to lose their support now. About 38% of the US population actually, and right now he's polling on about 40.5% which shows just how badly he is doing outside of that slavishly devoted, cult like core.

Carfacemandog

Carfacemandog wrote: »

And some people still try to say it's not a cult. :pac:

It has been clear for years, with the two geniuses in the image above being just the latest examples, that there is literally nothing Trump could do to lose their support now. About 38% of the US population actually, and right now he's polling on about 40.5% which shows just how badly he is doing outside of that slavishly devoted, cult like core.

He actually could just shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and these people would find some way to justify it.

briany

There must be something Trump could do to lose support of his base. Like, if he said he was going to ban all guns for civilians, he'd probably tank fairly fast (and wouldn't make up the numbers in the gun control people, either).

Penn

Deleted User wrote: »

He actually could just shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and these people would find some way to justify it.

He could shoot one of his own supporters on Fifth Avenue and with their dying breath they'd praise him for owning the libs by actually shooting someone on Fifth Avenue like he said he could.

Still though, if it gets people to wear masks, f*ck it. He's about 4 months too late, but hopefully his followers will start seeing them as a necessity and not shout about their freedoms and rights and other such.

Quin_Dub

Penn wrote: »

He could shoot one of his own supporters on Fifth Avenue and with their dying breath they'd praise him for owning the libs by actually shooting someone on Fifth Avenue like he said he could.

Still though, if it gets people to wear masks, f*ck it. He's about 4 months too late, but hopefully his followers will start seeing them as a necessity and not shout about their freedoms and rights and other such.

But even when he did wear a mask he had to caveat it and say "only where appropriate, like visiting a Hospital"

abff

FrostyJack wrote: »

There are plenty of bootlickers like this one, just when you think they cannot any more disgusting.

https://twitter.com/KwCongressional/status/1282074636168167424

I decided to look up the guy who tweeted this. He’s a total nut case conspiracy theorist. Among other things, he claims that Beyoncé is not really black and is part of a world wide deep state conspiracy.

sliabh 1956

Oh dear I see where Trump administration officials turned their fire over the weekend on Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House’s own coronavirus task force who has been critical of the US handling of the pandemic. He hasnt spoken to Trump in a month I cant see him lasting much longer .

The Phantom Jipper

briany wrote: »

There must be something Trump could do to lose support of his base. Like, if he said he was going to ban all guns for civilians, he'd probably tank fairly fast (and wouldn't make up the numbers in the gun control people, either).

One of the saddest things for me is that Trump was uniquely placed to bring some of the nutters along with him, given how obsequious and sycophantic that wing of the party is. Common sense proposals on gun control etc that would never have passed from a Democrat may have been accepted coming from him but he opted to double and triple down on the madness.

abff

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

One of the saddest things for me is that Trump was uniquely placed to bring some of the nutters along with him, given how obsequious and sycophantic that wing of the party is. Common sense proposals on gun control etc that would never have passed from a Democrat may have been accepted coming from him but he opted to double and triple down on the madness.

While I understand where you’re coming from, I don’t think even Trump was ever going to be able to get gun lovers to accept any form of increased control. And there was never a snowball’s chance in hell of Trump attempting or even considering attempting something as sensible as that.

awec

On the Roger Stone thing, do we think Stone has something so bad on Trump that he's willing to commute him in an election year, or do we think Trump did it cause his base loves this brazen stuff that winds everyone else up?

ExMachina1000

awec wrote: »

On the Roger Stone thing, do we think Stone has something so bad on Trump that he's willing to commute him in an election year, or do we think Trump did it cause his base loves this brazen stuff that winds everyone else up?

They are friends

sid waddell

awec wrote: »

On the Roger Stone thing, do we think Stone has something so bad on Trump that he's willing to commute him in an election year, or do we think Trump did it cause his base loves this brazen stuff that winds everyone else up?

Stone is one of his cronies. That's why he was let off scot free by Trump. Trump and Barr will do whatever it takes to let their cronies off the hook, and flaunt impunity in the process. It's that simple.

Same with Manafort.

Stone and Manafort were never going to turn against Trump, and were never going to at least as long as Trump is of any use to them (they likely never will even if Trump somehow is voted out) and Trump was always going to pull the strings so that they got off. They're all part of the same crime.

Both Stone and Manafort will be working on Trump's campaign, have no doubt.

duploelabs

awec wrote: »

On the Roger Stone thing, do we think Stone has something so bad on Trump that he's willing to commute him in an election year, or do we think Trump did it cause his base loves this brazen stuff that winds everyone else up?

Roger Stone was in contact with wikileaks and the Trump team at the same time, he has the collusion evidence.

Quin_Dub

awec wrote: »

On the Roger Stone thing, do we think Stone has something so bad on Trump that he's willing to commute him in an election year, or do we think Trump did it cause his base loves this brazen stuff that winds everyone else up?

It's the former..same reason he "commuted" the sentence instead of pardoning him.

If he was pardoned , he could no longer take the 5th if called as a witness for another case relating to the issue for example.

This way , he gets away with it but still keeps his cover from being forced to speak up at some future time.

radia

Don't think this has got enough publicity -

From Barr's confirmation hearing:

Senator Leahy: Do you believe a President could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient's promise to not incriminate him?

General Barr: No. That would be a crime.

Senator Leahy: Thank you.

Penn

radia wrote: »

Don't think this has got enough publicity -

From Barr's confirmation hearing:

Too easy for Barr to explain away. It was a commutation of his sentence, not a pardon, and there's no proof he did it because Stone promised not to incriminate him.

Barr, as sh*tty as he is, knows what he's doing regardless of how shameless it is. If the Democrats asked Barr about that when he's next scheduled to appear before them, he'll easily bat that question away.

Itssoeasy

So Donald trump retweeted someone saying the CDC and doctors are lying about covid-19. Is it any wonder the US is where it is in relation to covid-19 ?

moon2

Penn wrote: »

Too easy for Barr to explain away. It was a commutation of his sentence, not a pardon, and there's no proof he did it because Stone promised not to incriminate him.

Maybe that's why it was commuted and not pardoned...

Carfacemandog

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So Donald trump retweeted someone saying the CDC and doctors are lying about covid-19. Is it any wonder the US is where it is in relation to covid-19 ?

He is also apparently doing campaign style opposition research in Fauci and trying to muddy his name on the matter. Kayleigh McEnany has explicitly denied this claim, which means it is true (not joking, with this bunch when they make a point of explicitly denying something without trying to make a huge deal over the denial/error itself you know they're lying and trying to move on quickly).

It's telling how quickly Trump supporters have gone from seeing Fauci as great and wonderful, and more importantly Trumps credibility shield a month or two back, to not wanting to talk about him at all or largely having disparaging things to say about him by now.

PropJoe10

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So Donald trump retweeted someone saying the CDC and doctors are lying about covid-19. Is it any wonder the US is where it is in relation to covid-19 ?

It's getting more and more disgraceful and worrying by the day. It was only a matter of time before Trump started blaming Fauci so it's not a surprise, but the whole thing is in total shambles and they're now setting daily records each day for positive cases.

As the WHO noted earlier, people need to start working together to limit this virus. Trump is the worst individual on this earth to be in charge of a library during a crisis, never mind the USA.

gmisk

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It's getting more and more disgraceful and worrying by the day. It was only a matter of time before Trump started blaming Fauci so it's not a surprise, but the whole thing is in total shambles and they're now setting daily records each day for positive cases.

As the WHO noted earlier, people need to start working together to limit this virus. Trump is the worst individual on this earth to be in charge of a library during a crisis, never mind the USA.

Given his track record in business he would probably manage to bankrupt a library

sid waddell

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It's getting more and more disgraceful and worrying by the day. It was only a matter of time before Trump started blaming Fauci so it's not a surprise, but the whole thing is in total shambles and they're now setting daily records each day for positive cases.

As the WHO noted earlier, people need to start working together to limit this virus. Trump is the worst individual on this earth to be in charge of a library during a crisis, never mind the USA.

Covid has exposed how totally intellectually bankrupt American right-wing ideology is. They genuinely do think being asked to wear a mask, a very minor inconvenience, for the benefit of your fellow humans, amounts to "tyranny".

And this is by far the dominant ideology in the Republican party. This is the Charles Koch/James Buchanan/John C. Calhoun ideology. They believe there is no such thing thing as any sort of duty to your fellow humans. They believe that the richest being taxed even a modest amount is "tyranny". The rich are "the oppressed", the poor and the sick are "exploiters" and "agents of tyranny".

This ideology is a sickness of the mind and every bit as dangerous as Nazi ideology was, because taken to its logical conclusion, it really is the road to serfdom, which, ironically is the title of a book by Friedrich A. Hayek that Koch, Buchanan and all the rest of the "government evil" merchants were heavily influenced by.

Part of the aim of Trump and Republicans in general has been to get into government in order to destroy it. In fact Buchanan himself noted that his idea of "economic liberty" was incompatible with democracy. On that he was right. It is. And the Republicans know it, hence why they are trying to destroy democracy.

There is no reasonable analysis that can defend this ideology as anything other than what it has demonstrably proved to be - total lunacy.

valoren

Said it before but firing Fauci will be a gift for Biden’s election campaign.

A few words along the lines of this should suffice. “Our administration will not only respect and champion our experts in all fields of endeavor but we, as representatives of the American people, will also do what we must do. We will listen. Dr Fauci’s role will be immediately re-instated upon our administration taking office. We await his hopeful re-acceptance of his civil role which he had admirably performed with class and dignity in the face of egotistical cowardice and a collective tone deaf stupidity at the cost of countless American lives. Dr Fauci. We will not only listen to you, we will act”.

blackwave

valoren wrote: »

Said it before but firing Fauci will be a gift for Biden’s election campaign.

A few words along the lines of this should suffice. “Our administration will not only respect and champion our experts in all fields of endeavor but we, as representatives of the American people, will also do what we must do. We will listen. Dr Fauci’s role will be immediately re-instated upon our administration taking office. We await his hopeful re-acceptance of his civil role which he had admirably performed with class and dignity in the face of egotistical cowardice and a collective tone deaf stupidity at the cost of countless American lives. Dr Fauci. We will not only listen to you, we will act”.

Can you imagine what the Lincoln project will do for their video on it. Trump reminds me more and more of a wounded animal lately just lashing out at anything without any thought at all. Previously I could mostly see some method to his what he was doing but not in the last few weeks in particular.

spacecoyote

Don't have the full content of the speech, but if the context is right here, in essence it's like something from some 70s mob movie...

If you talk, I've got the dirt on you

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1282778261471158272

accensi0n

spacecoyote wrote: »

Don't have the full content of the speech, but if the context is right here, in essence it's like something from some 70s mob movie...

If you talk, I've got the dirt on you

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1282778261471158272

Kushner tried to death stare him into shutting up.

sid waddell

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Iv read some ridiculous stuff on here but that is right up there. Even managed to get the nazis a mention.

That's grand but you didn't make an attempt to explain why, oh, and you've ignored the frequent dog whistle references to the Nazis and fascism by the Trump regime itself. Experience has taught me there's only one reason anybody does that.

sid waddell

Remember when Ron Paul was asked at a debate whether a person with no health insurance should be left to die in an emergency and his supporters in the crowd yelped out "yeaaaaah!"? That's the ideology of the Republican party in a nutshell. And that's not even an extreme example.

What the likes of Paul class as "freedom" is indeed tyranny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9fk7NpgIU

pixelburp

That's not specific to Republicans to be fair; they're just the party more inclined towards continued mythologising of the core tenet of America's key ideological identity; that emphasis on aggressive individualism over "the state" having some kind of compassionate responsibility for its citizens. Or even smaller communities looking out for itself. This is a country of Every Man For Himself and Trump is its Kaiju TBH. The ideology arguably became horribly mutated in response to the 1950s and the height of anti-communist hysteria; couldn't see something as ostensibly socialist as FDR's New Deal being born in an American post 1950. Libertarianism is a further pox, but part of the same broader illness of selfishness as a learned virtue.