Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

EltonJohn69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The thing is if he tries something like that, his supporters don't get to decided he's the victor.....:rolleyes:

If you have ever tried to wrestle another man for a chair, it’s better to be seated in the chair then not seated in the chair.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

The danger is a certain subset of his supporters don't realise that or don't care.

Oh them actually engaging in violence is my big concern tbh.

StringerBell

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

If you have ever tried to wrestle another man for a chair, it’s better to be seated in the chair then not seated in the chair.

But it's not a chair, it's a presidential election. He can say what he likes, his supporters can do what they like. The machine has a perpetual motion to it once it's started, if the election goes Bidens way which it absolutely will then trump clinging onto power by his finger nails will result in him losing his grip and falling from that cliff inevitably. How many of his lemmings follow him over the edge is up to themselves.

abff

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Reports are saying Trump is going to declare victory on Tuesday very early and take to the podium. If he does that his supporters aren’t going to allow for him to be removed.

I certainly wouldn’t put it past him to try something like that. And no doubt Fox News would jump on the bandwagon.

I think it’s going to be a very challenging 24/48/72 hours next week.

martingriff

You will hope that the Republican Party will see the big picture as in we have another election in 2 years and do everything possible to reign this in

Water John

martingriff wrote: »

You will hope that the Republican Party will see the big picture as in we have another election in 2 years and do everything possible to reign this in

Is there any real leaders left in the GOP?

pixelburp

martingriff wrote: »

You will hope that the Republican Party will see the big picture as in we have another election in 2 years and do everything possible to reign this in

But that's the problem: to the GOP, the obstructionist, partisan politics seen from McConnell's tenure IS the Big Picture. Everything is working as intended, albeit headed by a vulgar Dunning-Kruger example. To them, that's simply how Washington works; not consensus or working for the good of the nation, but power for its own sake, and damn those who get in the way. Indeed, McConnell himself snarked that he'd be the "Grim reaper" during Obama's terms, and would kill any legislation that came his way, regardless of merit. Chatter about fiscal conservativism is merely window dressing, the facade of democracy over a push-pull for absolute power.

martingriff

Water John wrote: »

Is there any real leaders left in the GOP?

True. If McCain was still alive maybe

Water John

pixelburp wrote: »

But that's the problem: to the GOP, the obstructionist, partisan politics seen from McConnell's tenure IS the Big Picture. Everything is working as intended. To them, that's simply how Washington works; not consensus or working for the good of the nation, but power for its own sake, and damn those who get in the way. Indeed, McConnell himself snarked that he'd be the "Grim reaper" during Obama's terms, and would kill any legislation that came his way, regardless of merit. Chatter about fiscal conservativism is merely window dressing, the facade of democracy over a push-pull for absolute power.

It goes back to Newt Gingrich v Clinton.

gmisk

Water John wrote: »

Is there any real leaders left in the GOP?

Not when the two favourites for the 2024 republican nom are
Donald trump jr and Nikki Haley...

StringerBell

Water John wrote: »

Is there any real leaders left in the GOP?

Mitch McConnell, he doesn't give a flying **** about trump. He controls the senate republicans and there are plenty in the house who will throw trump under the bus as soon as his usefulness is over.

I don't like McConnell, I don't like anything about him but as master of the political dark arts he is almost unparalleled in recent memory for sure and a leader in the GOP.

Capt'n Midnight

Water John wrote: »

Is there any real leaders left in the GOP?

Look at FF or SF or the Tories.

There's a lot of people there who didn't speak up when bad things were done. They aren't new blood. Until they are purged or proven different there is no reason to trust those parties.

New Labour didn't win in the UK. The Conservatives made themselves unelectable.

gmisk

martingriff wrote: »

True. If McCain was still alive maybe

A decent man with principals
Loved this moment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/27/iconic-thumbs-down-vote-that-summed-up-john-mccains-career/

pixelburp

Water John wrote: »

It goes back to Newt Gingrich v Clinton.

Fair enough, which makes it all the more engrained within the foundations of partisan politics. And with someone as outsized as Trump, if and when the axe falls there's a convenient scapegoat to sidestep any need for party self reflection. No problem will exist that couldn't be shovelled into Trump's corner. Bar a root and branch change in approach - starting with McConnell being ousted - I would fully expect the GOP to operate as disingenuously partisan as it always does in opposition the last few decades. Screams of socialism, liberal politicians killing babies and all the usual hits.

aloyisious

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Reports are saying Trump is going to declare victory on Tuesday very early and take to the podium. If he does that his supporters aren’t going to allow for him to be removed.

And he doesn't get to decide when the counting stops, so any stage-managing he tries is gaslighting.

aloyisious

Nice for "cough" an apology to come from the White House. Dr Atlas tweeted an apology for appearing on RT speaking his mind about Covid-19 precautions [lockdowns] and his fellow U.S medical doctors, saying he didn't realise that RT was registered foreign agent and apologise, especially to the national security community, for allowing myself to be taken advantage of.

Carfacemandog

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

The industrial prison complex could do with more recruits.

If trumpets kick up into violence the police would not be able to stand back neither will Trump able to claim "antifa bad" when it's his own supporters causing trouble...

Don't be too optimistic. Where were the police yesterday as Trump supporters literally tried to ram the bus of a Presidential candidate off the road?

Police have been escorting Trump supporters to intimidate voters in El Paso and shouting out 'Trump 2020' on loudspeakers in NY. From what we have seen this year from the American police, you may as well be a nationalist looking for the support of the blacks and tans and metropolitan police in Dublin a century back.

My worry is less to do with the police standing back, and more to do with them taking a more Belarussian approach.

looksee

aloyisious wrote: »

Nice for "cough" an apology to come from the White House. Dr Atlas tweeted an apology for appearing on RT speaking his mind about Covid-19 precautions [lockdowns] and his fellow U.S medical doctors, saying he didn't realise that RT was registered foreign agent and apologise, especially to the national security community, for allowing myself to be taken advantage of.

You'd think the best people would check who it was they were doing interviews with.

aloyisious

looksee wrote: »

You'd think the best people would check who it was they were doing interviews with.

You'd probably be right if the best people were on the staff.

Water John

Did they just ring up the WH and ask to speak to Atlas? How stupid do they think people are?

prinzeugen

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Don't be too optimistic. Where were the police yesterday as Trump supporters literally tried to ram the bus of a Presidential candidate off the road?

Police have been escorting Trump supporters to intimidate voters in El Paso and shouting out 'Trump 2020' on loudspeakers in NY. From what we have seen this year from the American police, you may as well be a nationalist looking for the support of the blacks and tans and metropolitan police in Dublin a century back.

My worry is less to do with the police standing back, and more to do with them taking a more Belarussian approach.

There is a clip on twitter of a police officer joining the "train" and laughing about how great it was shortly before they tried to run the bus off the road.

https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1323025512080572417?s=19

Brussels Sprout

If and when Trump loses I think we're going to be in store for a lot more first-hand anecdotes about crazy things that have happened over the last 4 years. It'll be hard to top some of the things that we've heard already but I'm sure there'll be some interesting nuggets to come.

Faugheen

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

If and when Trump loses I think we're going to be in store for a lot more first-hand anecdotes about crazy things that have happened over the last 4 years. It'll be hard to top some of the things that we've heard already but I'm sure there'll be some interesting nuggets to come.

I’m waiting for Kellyanne Conway’s book

Overheal

Faugheen wrote: »

I’m waiting for Kellyanne Conway’s book

Why? I will tell you lies for free.

I don't know how that household functions.

Tell me how

Faugheen wrote: »

I’m waiting for Kellyanne Conway’s book

Overheal wrote: »

Why? I will tell you lies for free.

I don't know how that household functions.

If she ever gets divorced, George's book is the one to read then.

Carfacemandog

Tell me how wrote: »

If she ever gets divorced, George's book is the one to read then.

The one to illegally download. Those two horrible fcukers deserve exactly nothing positive.

Phoebas

aloyisious wrote: »

Nice for "cough" an apology to come from the White House. Dr Atlas tweeted an apology for appearing on RT speaking his mind about Covid-19 precautions [lockdowns] and his fellow U.S medical doctors, saying he didn't realise that RT was registered foreign agent and apologise, especially to the national security community, for allowing myself to be taken advantage of.

The hell he didn't.
The Whitehouse have been controling Fauci's access to American networks for months now, but allowed Atlas to go on RT.

Overheal

Tell me how wrote: »

If she ever gets divorced, George's book is the one to read then.

To hell with that I want the daughter's real take.

Tell me how

Overheal wrote: »

To hell with that I want the daughter's real take.

Maybe in 20 years time. Anything in the next ten and it'll just be written for dramatic effect.

I want the cool, calm, collected reveal not the OMG version. No offence to her, she's a young girl.

dogbert27

Is there any way Fauci can sue Trump for recklessly endangering his and his family's lives?

Fauci had to hire security a few weeks ago for protection after Trump publicly attacked him and now he riles up a crowd with "Fire Fauci" the new "lock her up".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8904289/Trump-hints-FIRE-Dr-Fauci-election-Florida-crowd-chant-Fire-Fauci.html

With the way America is right now it only takes one nut job to use this as his excuse to harm Fauci, a man who has dedicated decades of service to the United States and is having his reputation smeared by a narcissistic president.