Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

BorneTobyWilde

rossie1977 wrote: »

I am baffled by how a rich New Yorker that's not religious is so popular in rural conservative areas of the US though..what's the appeal?

To answer above question just look at Texas. Beto and Biden both won the urban areas there yet didn't carry the state. Rural Florida won Trump that state, rural Pennsylvania is keeping Trump close there.

Trump was far left before he ran. He didn't even know who to run for, had he chosen Democrat he's be a Climate Activist , he'd be hard on gun control, he'd be giving ''Dreamers'' their chance.

He would have done what ever to please the leftist agenda . But he chose Republican so appealed to their agenda.

He was no gun toting, cowboy hat wearing country dancing guy before he ran. Yet now he's their hero as he claims to be just that

BorneTobyWilde

Biden leads in AZ shrinking. not extending.

seamus

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump was far left before he ran. He didn't even know who to run for, had he chosen Democrat he's be a Climate Activist , he'd be hard on gun control, he'd be giving ''Dreamers'' their chance.

He would have done what ever to please the leftist agenda . But he chose Republican so appealed to their agenda.

This is very typical "both sides"-ing.

The fact is that Trump would never have been accepted as Democratic nomination.

The core difference between liberals and authoritarians in this regard is that Authoritarians will accept anyone who gets the job done, regardless of their past or the beliefs.

Liberals will be loathe to accept anyone who has past transgressions or conservative ideas and hasn't atoned. This is known as the "purity test", and continually trips liberals up.

Trump attempting to get in on a democrat ticket would have been a non-runner. Let's imagine for a moment that his racism and sexism wasn't already known (it was). Once the "pussy" tape came out, he would have been done, rejected by the Democrat voters. Trump could pledge a trillion dollars to fight climate change but liberals would never be able to see past his history.

Republicans on the other hand will accept anything so long as they believe the job is getting done. Trump could try to pass a law of prima nocta for himself, lower the age of consent to 12, and Republicans would continue to vote for him so long as they believed he would fight a pro-life position, talk white supremacy and protect the 2nd amendment.

serfboard

seamus wrote: »

Republicans would continue to vote for him so long as they believed he would fight a pro-life position, talk white supremacy and protect the 2nd amendment.

Guns, God and Gametes.

Detritus70

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump was far left before he ran. He didn't even know who to run for, had he chosen Democrat he's be a Climate Activist , he'd be hard on gun control, he'd be giving ''Dreamers'' their chance.

He would have done what ever to please the leftist agenda . But he chose Republican so appealed to their agenda.

He was no gun toting, cowboy hat wearing country dancing guy before he ran. Yet now he's their hero as he claims to be just that

I don't think so. Trump's basic persona is greedy and driven purely by vanity and a desire to be the alpha dog.
He's an absolute authoritarian, he doesn't do negotiation or cooperation.
He sees anyone who isn't male, white, rich and nominally a member of Christianity (not for religious reasons, just that they're not Muslim or some such dreck) as second class and definitely not deserving of any kind of support.
Also, other people are just marks to be exploited for his gain.
The only people that impress him, are absolute rulers who are even more vicious than himself, he practically humps Putin's leg.
This is how he runs the country and it is not compatible with the Democrats.
I don't think Trump is like Hitler, in that he doesn't want to start a war and exterminate millions of people, but he is using Hitler's methodology of propaganda and inciting the mob.
And that's the nicest thing I can say about Trump.
The man is every worst quality of humanity turned into an orange sleazeball.
And it's sad that this appeals to so many people. It's pure hate

aloyisious

Looking at the legal route of the five instances before federal courts [incl the USSC] can hear a case, I'm assuming that the Trump campaign has done it before Trump started telling people he was going to the USSC on the basis that there has been mail-in and electoral fraud committed in two states and his son told a press conference that the democratic party was involved in the committing of the fraud otherwise it may decide NOT to hear the cases. I don't know how the court decides on whether to hear a case or not, though I recall from the Roe V Wade case the judges were involved in a lengthy discussion on the merits of taking that case on for a hearing and it seemed to be by majority decision.

The GOP lost a case today in federal court on a claim that there was mail-in vote impropriety at a vote centre in one of Georgia's counties. The two GOP witnesses stated under oath that they did not know if the challenged mailed-in votes were received at the centre in time for inclusion in the count or not, the GOP case being that the ballots arrived after the due time.

Nevada is presently in the process of handling 63,000 mail-in votes and is still obliged to accept mailed-in ballot papers up to the 10th Nov so the future of that state's vote is still in the balance. Pennsylvania has 550,000 mailed-in votes still to process with a difference of 114,000 between Don & Joe.

MadYaker

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump was far left before he ran. He didn't even know who to run for, had he chosen Democrat he's be a Climate Activist , he'd be hard on gun control, he'd be giving ''Dreamers'' their chance.

He would have done what ever to please the leftist agenda . But he chose Republican so appealed to their agenda.

He was no gun toting, cowboy hat wearing country dancing guy before he ran. Yet now he's their hero as he claims to be just that

Trump is mostly motivated by jealousy and greed. I doubt they’d make room for him in the democrat party especially with his attitude towards women it just wouldn’t have worked. Once the pussy grabbing tape came out he would’ve been finished. On the other hand the party of Christianity and moral authority clearly had no issues with it all and were happy to vote for him regardless.

volchitsa

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump was far left before he ran. He didn't even know who to run for, had he chosen Democrat he's be a Climate Activist , he'd be hard on gun control, he'd be giving ''Dreamers'' their chance.

He would have done what ever to please the leftist agenda . But he chose Republican so appealed to their agenda.

He was no gun toting, cowboy hat wearing country dancing guy before he ran. Yet now he's their hero as he claims to be just that

A supposed multimillionaire who's far left? Nah, that stretches credibility so I'm going to ask for some actual evidence of that. I know he was a registered Democrat, but you said far left, which is something else altogether.

MadYaker

volchitsa wrote: »

A supposed multimillionaire who's far left? Nah, that stretches credibility so I'm going to ask for some actual evidence of that. I know he was a registered Democrat, but you said far left, which is something else altogether.

He was registered as a democrat because he’s a NY socialite and former friend of the Clintons who didn’t want to be left off the invite list for parties and dinners etc.

Water John

MadYaker wrote: »

He was registered as a democrat because he’s a NY socialite and former friend of the Clintons who didn’t want to be left off the invite list for parties and dinners etc.

Ah BTBW just mixed up socialite with socialist.

aloyisious

Whatever about he himself seeing that his star has faded, his fan base is already running the idea past peoples eyes and ears that he may run in 2024. I'm hopeful that by 2023 some young Turk will have come of age in the GOP to excise the memory of 2016/2020 and those responsible for the nightmare from history and put a stop to any shenanigans from his family. People have to get some peace of mind and spirit from his malevolence.

Professor Moriarty

aloyisious wrote: »

Whatever about he himself seeing that his star has faded, his fan base is already running the idea past peoples eyes and ears that he may run in 2024. I'm hopeful that by 2023 some young Turk will have come of age in the GOP to excise the memory of 2016/2020 and those responsible for the nightmare from history and put a stop to any shenanigans from his family. People have to get some peace of mind and spirit from his malevolence.

Very hard to run for president from jail.

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Very hard to run for president from jail.

Yeah cell doors and high fences make it hard to run full stop.

aloyisious

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Very hard to run for president from jail.

Perish the thought of him having a "Tell All" book stashed away somewhere as a last ditch defence given the record of prison safety.

fullstop

Holy **** that speech he just gave was mental (again). The man is an overgrown ****ing child who can’t accept when he doesn’t win. Nothing we didn’t know already I suppose.

thebaz

He lost the election , can't accept defeat , so lie and bully - used the same tactic to bully Scottish landowners to build his golf course years ago - except this time Democracy will win , and he is shown up to the world what he truly is.

aloyisious

It's an apparent fact that of the Pennsylvania mail-in ballot papers waiting processing in the count centres, republican voters have approx 550,000, almost 1/4 of the total number of WELL OVER 2 million sent in.

As for the USPS, I don't have any idea of how many ballot papers it has undelivered in its facilities nor what, if any, the breakdown is between those sent out to the voters and those posted back by voters to the count centres but it seems to be a substantial number. The federal court judge handling the refusal of the USPS management to comply with his orders to facilitate the voter seems to have the patience of a very experienced judge.

Headshot

Trump is only 655 vote counts ahead in Georgia, so so close

Roanmore

Headshot wrote: »

Trump is only 655 vote counts ahead in Georgia, so so close

Biden ahead now.

seamus

aloyisious wrote: »

Whatever about he himself seeing that his star has faded, his fan base is already running the idea past peoples eyes and ears that he may run in 2024.

I'm internally conflicted on this.

Trump running again in 2024 (or *a* Trump running in 2024) on an independent ticket, would split the GOP vote. The Democrats would walk away with it.

But what a sh1tshow. And the long-term potential is the Republican party would be overtaken and replaced by the "crazy fascist dynasty" party, who in the US system are guaranteed to eventually come to power.

Gbear

seamus wrote: »

I'm internally conflicted on this.

Trump running again in 2024 (or *a* Trump running in 2024) on an independent ticket, would split the GOP vote. The Democrats would walk away with it.

But what a sh1tshow. And the long-term potential is the Republican party would be overtaken and replaced by the "crazy fascist dynasty" party, who in the US system are guaranteed to eventually come to power.

Trump has almost no chance of running again.

As well as the lawsuits, federal and state criminal charges, and staring down the barrell of bankruptcy, he'll also have a further 4 years of physical and mental deterioration.

I'm not sure there'll be a whole lot left of him or his "empire" in 4 years.

ancapailldorcha

Gbear wrote: »

Trump has almost no chance of running again.

As well as the lawsuits, federal and state criminal charges, and staring down the barrell of bankruptcy, he'll also have a further 4 years of physical and mental deterioration.

I'm not sure there'll be a whole lot left of him or his "empire" in 4 years.

I'm inclined to agree. I've seen videos of him which are fairly old but show him as clearly lucid and well spoken. Since 2016, he seems a lot less articulate and speaks in short, broken sentences using very simple words.

I'd say with the legal problems he's about to have, he'll be lucky to be a free man with a roof over his head come 2024.

aloyisious

seamus wrote: »

I'm internally conflicted on this.

Trump running again in 2024 (or *a* Trump running in 2024) on an independent ticket, would split the GOP vote. The Democrats would walk away with it.

But what a sh1tshow. And the long-term potential is the Republican party would be overtaken and replaced by the "crazy fascist dynasty" party, who in the US system are guaranteed to eventually come to power.

He, and Washingtonian members of the GOP, along with persons who were and and are on his campaign over the past 5 years can carry the can for any damage the GOP has sustained over the past year. The way the GOP management split itself away quietly from Trump to save what it could of the GOP campaign is the secret behind the success it seems to have had in winning Senate and House seats, even if some of the strange belief people are now elected members of that party. I can't see McConnell genuinely saying hello to Trump at any GOP event with goodwill in his heart.

Unless I missed it, the lack of senior GOP members at Trump's campaign rallies and the same for him NOT showing up in kind at it's GOP campaign events, marked a visible sign of how the GOP handled it's campaigns. I'm not a GOP person but it's obvious that party needs a root and branch reworking of it's membership entry system to make it a sound political party.

LuckyLloyd

We don't need to spend too much time on Trump's future electoral prospects tbh. He has power and influence until the day Biden takes over. Then - while he has a right to a staff, and an allowance and security service details - he's just a private citizen. He can maybe setup his own TV station and use the proceeds to run as a Ross Perot type in four year's time so long as he stays solvent and out of jail. But all the power and the influence of the WH drains away very quickly.

The Republican Party are going to disown him.

Additionally, the constituency of a defeated candidate drains away too. Gore and Kerry lost close elections but never had any serious prospects of winning the nomination again four years later. Four years is a long time. And a loser is a loser.

pixelburp

What are former presidents entitled to anyway? I know they remain "Mr President" in nomenclature, and IIRC will retain a security detail - what else, if anything that has value (legal or financial)? Am curious what Trump can expect to have when leaving the oval office - bar the inevitable invitations to appear on Fox / OANN

LuckyLloyd

pixelburp wrote: »

What are former presidents entitled to anyway? I know they remain "Mr President" in nomenclature, and IIRC will retain a security detail - what else, if anything that has value (legal or financial)? Am curious what Trump can expect to have when leaving the oval office - bar the inevitable invitations to appear on Fox / OANN

They receive a salary equivalent to the most senior civil service rank pay grade.
They get an expense allocation to fund a staff
They get a security service detail
They also get access to a house in Washington

It's enough that if he went bankrupt he could still maintain a political / pundit type career at the expense of the tax payer I suppose.

pixelburp

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They receive a salary equivalent to the most senior civil service rank pay grade.
They get an expense allocation to fund a staff
They get a security service detail
They also get access to a house in Washington

It's enough that if he went bankrupt he could still maintain a political / pundit type career at the expense of the tax payer I suppose.

Comfortable enough then. Can't imagine any libraries or buildings being named for him mind you; and I daresay his inability to grow political capital across the last 4 years will see him frozen out of the various Washington cliques and demographics that might have otherwise been useful avenues. He'll remain loved in parts of the flyover states, if Trump could hold his nose.

L1011

pixelburp wrote: »

Comfortable enough then. Can't imagine any libraries or buildings being named for him mind you; and I daresay his inability to grow political capital across the last 4 years will see him frozen out of the various Washington cliques and demographics that might have otherwise been useful avenues. He'll remain loved in parts of the flyover states, if Trump could hold his nose.

He'll get his Presidential Library/Center, they all do by law (since the 30s)

laugh

I think:

The Trumps are going to start their own party. - "The republicans don't have the backbone to fight this Democratic fraud"
The Trumps are going to start their own media organisation - Tucker Carlson like output with a twist of Qanon 24/7

Main reason will be to extract cash from their supporters.

Donald might run out of steam, but if they do owe as much as is reported and banks are going to start calling in that debt etc they will want a platform to say they are being victimised by the Left etc.

pixelburp

L1011 wrote: »

He'll get his Presidential Library/Center, they all do by law (since the 30s)

Ah. There's something quite distasteful about a person as aggressively incurious and pridefully ignorant as Trump getting a library. Like naming a coal mine after Margaret Thatcher,