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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)
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Tell me how wrote: »Completely disagree with this statement in bold.
Trump's oratory skills extend to no more than talking loudly and using absolutely moronic statements such as the referenced 'Fake News'. When he speaks everyone in the room knows when he is lying, except possibly for him. He reminds me of that kid at school who's only retort was 'I know you are but what am I' to any put down.
Michael Healy-Rae would run circles around him when it comes to the gift of the gab.
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, you've got me there on the "gift of the gab", I'll save that Irish-ism for better use. He's a fluent speaker who influences people to do things they wouldn't, as thinking adults, normally do. 0 -
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aloyisious wrote: »OK, you've got me there on the "gift of the gab", I'll save that Irish-ism for better use. He's a fluent speaker who influences people to do things they wouldn't, as thinking adults, normally do.
I would quibble about fluent too, it implies some sort of a vocabulary and smooth presentation. He is more repetitive - to the point of being hypnotic. You always get the impression that his mouth is motoring but his brain is not in gear, or the right gear anyway.0 -
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aloyisious wrote: »OK, you've got me there on the "gift of the gab", I'll save that Irish-ism for better use. He's a fluent speaker who influences people to do things they wouldn't, as thinking adults, normally do.
Again, and not picking on you but I must challenge this statement.
It's true he can have a strange influence on people, Michael Cohen alluded to it in his book and how he was drawn to that.
But this attraction, I think, and Cohen himself suggested, is to do with the perception of power or authority he has. Understandable in Cohen's case when the man he was meeting for the first time was sitting in a lavish office high up in a building with his name on the side of it.
And you could definitely imagine people being drawn to the power of the office of the President of the United States.
But Trump is most definitely not a fluent speaker. He immediately goes off track and gets defensive through aggressive and dismissive phrasing when challenged. He visually communicates when he is thinking about something off the cuff by slowing down how he is speaking and staring at a fixed point off camera or away from the person he is speaking with until he gathers his thoughts. There is no smooth flow to his speeches but instead sentences are delivered in a kind of isolation from those that preceded it or followed it.
The reason I am pointing this out is that one of the issues I had with Trump getting power was that he was going to influence what was acceptable in terms of public discourse and mannerisms and behaviour towards others and the idea that someone would look at how he speaks and think that this is to be admired and possibly try to take some guidance from him is a bad idea in my view.
This is his response when asked by Sean Hannity what were his goals for his second term.
That, is anything but fluent.
Trump is an egotistical bully who is only comfortable when speaking positively about his own achievements who crumbles and attacks when challenged in any way. Check out his response to a journalists question at the outbreak of Covid on what to say to people who are scared right now; Trump 'I say you're a terrible reporter'.
By comparison, check out the speaking abilities of James Baldwin if you want to see what a fluent speaker is actually like.0 -
Tell me how wrote: »Again, and not picking on you but I must challenge this statement.
It's true he can have a strange influence on people, Michael Cohen alluded to it in his book and how he was drawn to that.
But this attraction, I think, and Cohen himself suggested, is to do with the perception of power or authority he has. Understandable in Cohen's case when the man he was meeting for the first time was sitting in a lavish office high up in a building with his name on the side of it.
And you could definitely imagine people being drawn to the power of the office of the President of the United States.
But Trump is most definitely not a fluent speaker. He immediately goes off track and gets defensive through aggressive and dismissive phrasing when challenged. He visually communicates when he is thinking about something off the cuff by slowing down how he is speaking and staring at a fixed point off camera or away from the person he is speaking with until he gathers his thoughts. There is no smooth flow to his speeches but instead sentences are delivered in a kind of isolation from those that preceded it or followed it.
The reason I am pointing this out is that one of the issues I had with Trump getting power was that he was going to influence what was acceptable in terms of public discourse and mannerisms and behaviour towards others and the idea that someone would look at how he speaks and think that this is to be admired and possibly try to take some guidance from him is a bad idea in my view.
This is his response when asked by Sean Hannity what were his goals for his second term.
That, is anything but fluent.
Trump is an egotistical bully who is only comfortable when speaking positively about his own achievements who crumbles and attacks when challenged in any way. Check out his response to a journalists question at the outbreak of Covid on what to say to people who are scared right now; Trump 'I say you're a terrible reporter'.
By comparison, check out the speaking abilities of James Baldwin if you want to see what a fluent speaker is actually like.
I looked up fluent as an alternative to "gift of the gab" and used it instead as amongst it's synonyms are: silver-tongued · persuasive · glib · voluble. I'd like to step away now from debating my use of words to describe how Trump manages to get people to do things they would not, as thinking adults, do normally, if you please.0 -
Tell me how wrote: »Again, and not picking on you but I must challenge this statement.
It's true he can have a strange influence on people, Michael Cohen alluded to it in his book and how he was drawn to that.
But this attraction, I think, and Cohen himself suggested, is to do with the perception of power or authority he has. Understandable in Cohen's case when the man he was meeting for the first time was sitting in a lavish office high up in a building with his name on the side of it.
And you could definitely imagine people being drawn to the power of the office of the President of the United States.
But Trump is most definitely not a fluent speaker. He immediately goes off track and gets defensive through aggressive and dismissive phrasing when challenged. He visually communicates when he is thinking about something off the cuff by slowing down how he is speaking and staring at a fixed point off camera or away from the person he is speaking with until he gathers his thoughts. There is no smooth flow to his speeches but instead sentences are delivered in a kind of isolation from those that preceded it or followed it.
The reason I am pointing this out is that one of the issues I had with Trump getting power was that he was going to influence what was acceptable in terms of public discourse and mannerisms and behaviour towards others and the idea that someone would look at how he speaks and think that this is to be admired and possibly try to take some guidance from him is a bad idea in my view.
This is his response when asked by Sean Hannity what were his goals for his second term.
That, is anything but fluent.
Trump is an egotistical bully who is only comfortable when speaking positively about his own achievements who crumbles and attacks when challenged in any way. Check out his response to a journalists question at the outbreak of Covid on what to say to people who are scared right now; Trump 'I say you're a terrible reporter'.
By comparison, check out the speaking abilities of James Baldwin if you want to see what a fluent speaker is actually like.
That's a truly unfair comparison for Trump.
Baldwin isn't even playing the same sport as Trump, let alone being in the same league as him.0 -
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