Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

robinph

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Depends on the context of the shooting. Man lunges at police and is shot dead is much different than police shooting an unarmed man in the back. Both are reported as police shooting someone dead.

If someone lunges at the police then maybe the police could take a quick step to the side out of the way and the lungee will land on their face, rather than having the gun be the first and last line of defence?

There are other ways to deal with situations than grabbing and gun.

Quin_Dub

robinph wrote: »

If someone lunges at the police then maybe the police could take a quick step to the side out of the way and the lungee will land on their face, rather than having the gun be the first and last line of defence?

There are other ways to deal with situations than grabbing and gun.

Indeed - Do people not "Lunge at Police" in any other country on earth??

Clearly it's not as simple as "ban all guns" or whatever , but one suggestion I'd make is that the US Police forces look at how training is done for officers in other countries to understand how they all manage to not kill as many people as they do.

salmocab

It’s not really a Trump issue but this line of if they got rid of all the illegal weapons I’d give up the legal ones is moronic. The amount of weapons is just stupid and where do all the illegal ones come from? A good amount must start out as legal.
Add in the likes of school shootings done using legally held weapons and the types of weapons people can access and it’s obvious that illegally held weapons are only a part of the issue. People wanting to own guns and particularly multiple guns aren’t doing this to protect themselves from some boogeyman they have a fetish. Hiding behind the constitution is a sad excuse for pig headed selfish stupidity.

Brian?

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Indeed - Do people not "Lunge at Police" in any other country on earth??

Clearly it's not as simple as "ban all guns" or whatever , but one suggestion I'd make is that the US Police forces look at how training is done for officers in other countries to understand how they all manage to not kill as many people as they do.

Have a look at the BLM/Police shootings thread. Pages of people arguing that it's their own fault for being criminals. There is a large minority of people here and in the US that believe lethal force is an appropriate response to crimes against property.

duploelabs

Brian? wrote: »

Have a look at the BLM/Police shootings thread. Pages of people arguing that it's their own fault for being criminals. There is a large minority of people here and in the US that believe lethal force is an appropriate response to crimes against property.

Or that the police should have some judge dredd type of powers

ExMachina1000

Detritus70 wrote: »

The "I'm not a racist, but..." argument, along with some evidence, backup and statistics. Not.
Your factual arguments so far:

1:...

Do you just post stuff you're not really serious about anyway in order to get a reaction out of serious posters?

Facts and statistics are racist 2020

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

ancapailldorcha

Mod: Back to the Trump presidency please. There is already a thread about BLM and police shootings in the US on this fourm.

aloyisious

In last night's debate Senator Loeffler supported Trump's line that the Georgia election was rigged. I can see how she would do so as he and the party are linked together and she wouldn't want to go against that union where the presidential election is concerned but she's left with the situation where the truth is staring people in the face and denying it can't help her own chances of holding on to the senator's seat for the GOP [one she was not elected to in the first place but was put into when the incumbent GOP senator retired on health grounds] when her colleagues in it are split on the honesty of Trump's claims in court that the election was rigged. I'll have to wait and see how the run-off election result goes to figure out if a percentage of the GOP voters in Georgia are becoming disaffected by the actions of Trump and HIS lawyers in court.

duploelabs

aloyisious wrote: »

In last night's debate Senator Loeffler supported Trump's line that the Georgia election was rigged. I can see how she would do so as he and the party are linked together and she wouldn't want to go against that union where the presidential election is concerned but she's left with the situation where the truth is staring people in the face and denying it can't help her own chances of holding on to the senator's seat for the GOP [one she was not elected to in the first place but was put into when the incumbent GOP senator retired on health grounds] when her colleagues in it are split on the honesty of Trump's claims in court that the election was rigged. I'll have to wait and see how the run-off election result goes to figure out if a percentage of the GOP voters in Georgia are becoming disaffected by the actions of Trump and HIS lawyers in court.

At least she debated, Perdue didn't even show up to his debate leaving Ossoff arguing at an empty lectern

https://www.businessinsider.com/ossoff-calls-perdue-coward-for-skipping-debate-ahead-of-runoff-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

aloyisious

duploelabs wrote: »

At least she debated, Perdue didn't even show up to his debate leaving Ossoff arguing at an empty lectern

https://www.businessinsider.com/ossoff-calls-perdue-coward-for-skipping-debate-ahead-of-runoff-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

It's either Perdue reckon's he's a sure-fire winner or he's thrown in the towel & dumped on the GOP. There doesn't seem to be any feedback on the Perdue refusal, even after his statement on Sunday 15 Nov that he wouldn't debate Jon Ossoff as Ossoff had lied and failed to defend his "socialist agenda". I'd have supposed a win for Perdue over Ossoff cos of his socialism at a debate would have energized GOP voters to come out and vote for him, despite the "don't vote in the run-offs" nutters in the GOP. things have gotten really crazy in this U.S election-cycle.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Mod: Back to the Trump presidency please. There is already a thread about BLM and police shootings in the US on this fourm.

Posts deleted. Any more of this and bans may be issued.

Quin_Dub

aloyisious wrote: »

It's either Perdue reckon's he's a sure-fire winner or he's thrown in the towel & dumped on the GOP. There doesn't seem to be any feedback on the Perdue refusal, even after his statement on Sunday 15 Nov that he wouldn't debate Jon Ossoff as Ossoff had lied and failed to defend his "socialist agenda". I'd have supposed a win for Perdue over Ossoff cos of his socialism at a debate would have energized GOP voters to come out and vote for him, despite the "don't vote in the run-offs" nutters in the GOP. things have gotten really crazy in this U.S election-cycle.

I wonder is there a shoe about to drop in relation to all his Stock trading activity?

There have been a lot of stories in the last week or so detailing his very unusual trades - He personally accounted for something like 20% of all trades by members of congress in the last few years. Not only that but there are multiple examples of him trading stock just before/after key news linked to a stock or the industry it operates in.

aloyisious

An "ummm" here. CNN is running a story about Pompeo returning to private life, not sure at all what that might mean for his future. I see this on MSN: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pompeo-to-speak-in-georgia-as-senate-run-offs-loom/ar-BB1bI8Lg

Can the GOP switch runners for senator's office within the law, as it were, at this stage in the Georgia run-off race?
It's apparently been an open secret since June that Pompeo had his eye on Kansas Senator Pat Robert's seat.

aloyisious

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I wonder is there a shoe about to drop in relation to all his Stock trading activity?

There have been a lot of stories in the last week or so detailing his very unusual trades - He personally accounted for something like 20% of all trades by members of congress in the last few years. Not only that but there are multiple examples of him trading stock just before/after key news linked to a stock or the industry it operates in.

Similar sounding mentions have been made in respect to a married couple, happily having a seat in the upper chamber and the chair of the stock exchange in a large East Coast state with a city mayor-ship referred-to as the 2nd most important political job in the US.

Quin_Dub

aloyisious wrote: »

An "ummm" here. CNN is running a story about Pompeo returning to private life, not sure at all what that might mean for his future. I see this on MSN: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pompeo-to-speak-in-georgia-as-senate-run-offs-loom/ar-BB1bI8Lg

Can the GOP switch runners for senator's office within the law, as it were, at this stage in the Georgia run-off race?
It's apparently been an open secret since June that Pompeo had his eye on Kansas Senator Pat Robert's seat.

I would assume that there has to be some mechanism to replace a candidate in the event that they cannot go forward - Death. Illness , Incarceration etc.

Don't think they can replace a candidate "just because" though.

Pompeo will run in 2022 for a Senate seat somewhere as a build-up to running in 2024.

Brussels Sprout

I wonder when Paul Ryan will resurface. No way that guys done.

VinLieger

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

I wonder when Paul Ryan will resurface. No way that guys done.

When he and his actions have been well eclipsed and forgotten, so 2022 sounds about right.

Brussels Sprout

VinLieger wrote: »

When he and his actions have been well eclipsed and forgotten, so 2022 sounds about right.

There are both a Senate and a gubernatorial election in Wisconsin in 2022 so yeah that's not a bad shout.

duploelabs

Pfizer and Moderna say thanks but no thanks to Trump's 'vaccine summit'

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/donald-trump-vaccine-summit

Itssoeasy

I can’t believe that he walked out of a medal of freedom event yesterday in the Oval Office. That was embarrassing because the person getting the honour was left standing there.

seamus

duploelabs wrote: »

Pfizer and Moderna say thanks but no thanks to Trump's 'vaccine summit'

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/donald-trump-vaccine-summit

They rightly reckon it's either an attempt for a photo op for Trump to claim he funded the vaccines; or some kind of grift.

They may also be unwilling to attend the White House given how riddled with Covid it is.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I can’t believe that he walked out of a medal of freedom event yesterday in the Oval Office. That was embarrassing because the person getting the honour was left standing there.

And it's not being reported on over here. It's all Biden. Trump is just phoning it in now as he becomes less relevant.

He will at some point just leave the White House and not come back. There'll be no handover, no welcome for the Bidens. Trump will basically just "stop" being President one day soon and leave the administration to figure out what to do.

dogbert27

After 3 years they fully restore DACA

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9028779/US-fully-restores-protections-young-immigrants.html

Cue Trump 2024 saying Biden is allowing immigration happen!

Tchaikovsky

duploelabs wrote: »

Pfizer and Moderna say thanks but no thanks to Trump's 'vaccine summit'

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/donald-trump-vaccine-summit

Kudos to both

aloyisious

According to CNN, Michigan's Attorney General has mentioned Rudy Giuliani and prosecution for knowingly putting other people at risk by attending public events while aware he is ill with Covid-19. The non-wearing of a mask by him in several recent court cases is public knowledge, due to observant cameras. It would sound like she's putting pressure on Rudy. If Trump hears this, his tweeted opinion should be loud.

Quin_Dub

aloyisious wrote: »

According to CNN, Michigan's Attorney General has mentioned Rudy Giuliani and prosecution for knowingly putting other people at risk by attending public events while aware he is ill with Covid-19. The non-wearing of a mask by him in several recent court cases is public knowledge, due to observant cameras. It would sound like she's putting pressure on Rudy. If Trump hears this, his tweeted opinion should be loud.

The Arizona Legislature has had to shut down as they all now have to quarantine because of him.

Is there evidence that he actually knew he was infected and still attended the public hearings?

I mean I know that he's been sweating/coughing on camera for a while , but there's a big difference between simply ignoring the signs and actually having a positive test result and continuing to go to public events anyway.

If he actually had a positive test and just went to the hearings regardless , he should absolutely be charged under whatever legislation is available.

pixelburp

If Rudy knew he had CoVid, or even suspected he wasn't well, it once again shines a light on the fundamental hypocrisies within the party of "personal responsibility"; it's almost as if in times of existential crisis, a government should be able to intervene as the individual cannot be relied on to make the right choice for the sake of society and others around them.

aloyisious

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The Arizona Legislature has had to shut down as they all now have to quarantine because of him.

Is there evidence that he actually knew he was infected and still attended the public hearings?

I mean I know that he's been sweating/coughing on camera for a while , but there's a big difference between simply ignoring the signs and actually having a positive test result and continuing to go to public events anyway.

If he actually had a positive test and just went to the hearings regardless , he should absolutely be charged under whatever legislation is available.

The Daily Mail links below ARE subscriber-locked but the 1st paragraph of the article is still on screen above the block. Script on search for details result: Rudy Giuliani's son Andrew tested positive for coronavirus Friday. He works as a public liaison assistant to the White House. Andrew attended his father's press conference on Thursday. That seems to be the conference where Rudy broke into a sweat causing his hair-dye to run, which was 2 weeks ago. Due to a bias I have against the Daily Mail, I generally decline to trust the absolute truth of its reporting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8970879/Rudy-Giulianis-son-Andrew-34-tests-positive-Covid-19.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9027555/Superspreader-Rudy-Giuliani-infected-scores-crossed-country-doctor-warns.html

aloyisious

CNN & other media sources have followed up on the Rudy/Covid report to say Jenna Ellis, the other lawyer, working with him in the campaign court actions has also tested positive for Covid-19. Given how Covid-19 doesn't care about party affiliations, it looks like it might be best for anyone involved in any of the courts hearing or events the two have attended to get tested. If either were in the presence of Trump, then the carrier-factor is bigger. There are, or were, White House [Hannukah & Christmas] party events planned by Trump's team for tomorrow & the 10th.

duploelabs

aloyisious wrote: »

CNN & other media sources have followed up on the Rudy/Covid report to say Jenna Ellis, the other lawyer, working with him in the campaign court actions has also tested positive for Covid-19. Given how Covid-19 doesn't care about party affiliations, it looks like it might be best for anyone involved in any of the courts hearing or events the two have attended to get tested. If either were in the presence of Trump, then the carrier-factor is bigger. There are, or were, White House [Hannukah & Christmas] party events planned by Trump's team for tomorrow & the 10th.

She was at the Christmas party last Friday

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/jenna-ellis-coronavirus-trump-lawyer-covid-b1768148.html

extra gravy

Elite Strike Force! The only thing they're elite at is infecting themselves and people around them. Clowns.