Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Tell me how

18 Days before he is kicked out of office.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1345374846742646784

Delusional.

The use of that phrase after 4 years in office was such an amateurish mistake. It looked like he had failed in his first term or that he had merch left over and wanted to use that rather than paying for new branding.
Should have dropped the phrase the day he won the election in 2016

robinph

looksee wrote: »

There is a world of difference between socialist tendencies and buying votes/popularity/supporters.

The $2000 cheques is just another way for him to scam some money out of the government coffers. He doesn't give a damn if they are short of cash when Biden takes over, but if a few people who receive the cheques then spend some of it on a subscription to his new TV channel or to buy some new version of MAGA hat then he's fine with it.

duploelabs

robinph wrote: »

The $2000 cheques is just another way for him to scam some money out of the government coffers. He doesn't give a damn if they are short of cash when Biden takes over, but if a few people who receive the cheques then spend some of it on a subscription to his new TV channel or to buy some new version of MAGA hat then he's fine with it.

All this depends on Trump pardoning himself, otherwise he's doing time

robinph

duploelabs wrote: »

All this depends on Trump pardoning himself, otherwise he's doing time

Then the money will just go towards a fundraiser for his lawyers.

Jizique

Manic Moran wrote: »

That will only take them so far. As the national demographics continue to shift, even a 'united' and 'energized' GOP vote is going to be inadequate to counter a split, not-so-energised Democrat vote. They need to not alienate the swingable voters. They won't have a chance otherwise.

Bit like the Tories, it is all about power rather than principle, and when they didn’t split over Brexit, they never will - remember both countries are effectively winner-take-all FPTP, so no room for a third party.
Not sure the national demographics are necessarily so important - again, with the system, the result of the presidential election will continue to be driven by a handful of marginal counties in 3/4 states

Capt'n Midnight

duploelabs wrote: »

All this depends on Trump pardoning himself, otherwise he's doing time

Meanwhile 11 days ago in Russia...

Putin signs bill granting lifetime immunity to former Russian presidents

The bill, which was published online on Tuesday, gives former presidents and their families immunity from prosecution for crimes committed during their lifetime.

They will also be exempt from questioning by police or investigators, as well as searches or arrests.

At times I wonder if Trump is too narcissistic to consider this because it would give Clintons and Obamas a get out of jail card ?

duploelabs

robinph wrote: »

Then the money will just go towards a fundraiser for his lawyers.

Given the stellar cast of his strike force team, who do you think would represent him?
Trump is over leveraged and will be broke when those debts are called in, he won't be wanting to spend any spare cash on the type of lawyers who are high-on-fees/low-on-morals

aloyisious

Twelve GOP senators plan to oppose certification of the election result in the senate, including Ted Cruz. demanding another audit be done of the voting in the states. How much has he being given to do this by the man who accused his father of complicity in the assassination of JFK?

Giving then enough rope seems be the only way for the GOP to cure the canker at it's heart.

StringerBell

I think it's 11 senators going from the report I read?

But yeah, they are all a disgrace to their office but I expect no better anymore. I just hope it's remembered, especially for the likes of Cruz and Hawley who want to run for the big job in 24.

These people do not give a flying **** about their country, their people of anything else beyond their own political ambitions.

Theres an old adage about those who seek power and it is apt for these clowns

Water John

These names deserve to be engraved on a special plaque and be remembered as enemies of democracy.;
'Cruz and Johnson were joined in issuing a statement on Saturday by Senators James Lankford (Oklahoma), Steve Daines (Montana), John Kennedy (Louisiana), Marsha Blackburn (Tennessee) and Mike Braun (Indiana).

Senators-elect Cynthia Lummis (Wyoming), Roger Marshall (Kansas), Bill Hagerty (Tennessee) and Tommy Tuberville (Alabama)' Guardian

Rjd2

Manic Moran wrote: »

That will only take them so far. As the national demographics continue to shift, even a 'united' and 'energized' GOP vote is going to be inadequate to counter a split, not-so-energised Democrat vote. They need to not alienate the swingable voters. They won't have a chance otherwise.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/man-in-the-arena

A decent article from the normally crap washington examiner about the issue the GOP face.

The problem for the GOP is the party's donor base and its stalwarts are Zombie Reganism cultists and have not evolved over the years.

The old school GOP need to realise their obsession with "free markets" and "forever war" are not winning positions with the base anymore.

Listening to the likes of Nikki Haley and Dan Crenshaw recently the supposed stalwarts of this conservatism and its laughable how outdated they are.

That's why the likes of Tucker and Hawley are on the rise.

Water John

Rjd2 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/man-in-the-arena

A decent article from the normally crap washington examiner about the issue the GOP face.

The problem for the GOP is the party's donor base and its stalwarts are Zombie Reganism cultists and have not evolved over the years.

The old school GOP need to realise their obsession with "free markets" and "forever war" are not winning positions with the base anymore.

Listening to the likes of Nikki Haley and Dan Crenshaw recently the supposed stalwarts of this conservatism and its laughable how outdated they are.

That's why the likes of Tucker and Hawley are on the rise.

Yes, the GOP at this point is an empty structure looking for a reason to exist.

Tell me how

Rjd2 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/man-in-the-arena

A decent article from the normally crap washington examiner about the issue the GOP face.

The problem for the GOP is the party's donor base and its stalwarts are Zombie Reganism cultists and have not evolved over the years.

The old school GOP need to realise their obsession with "free markets" and "forever war" are not winning positions with the base anymore.

Listening to the likes of Nikki Haley and Dan Crenshaw recently the supposed stalwarts of this conservatism and its laughable how outdated they are.

That's why the likes of Tucker and Hawley are on the rise.

Water John wrote: »

Yes, the GOP at this point is an empty structure looking for a reason to exist.

74M people voted for Trump and his brand of hyper nationalism and division.
Big GOP hitters at looking at capturing this ready made fan base and will seek to do so by adapting their philosophies to appeal to them rather than getting these people to come around to a new way of thinking. Cruz, Halley and others already gone down this route.

Rjd2

Water John wrote: »

Yes, the GOP at this point is an empty structure looking for a reason to exist.

Yep looking at Perdue and Loeffer its the same old same old.

"Vote for us, socialism is coming!!!"

All the GOP have to offer is culture wars on steroids, maybe it will be enough short term, but surely not long term especially looking at demographics which don't favor them.

Itssoeasy

I see that Kelly loeffler is getting desperate because she now saying that her democratic opponent is linked to child abuse. I hope the people of Georgia vote her out of office. What a vile thing to claim without any evidence(I’m shocked) about someone.

Christy42

aloyisious wrote: »

Twelve GOP senators plan to oppose certification of the election result in the senate, including Ted Cruz. demanding another audit be done of the voting in the states. How much has he being given to do this by the man who accused his father of complicity in the assassination of JFK?

Giving then enough rope seems be the only way for the GOP to cure the canker at it's heart.

It's a handy show for their base without actually having a real effect. Biden will get elected. They can say they fought the good fight. I reckon none of them believe it but are happy to show off for voters.

Like Obamacare. They voted to get rid of it while Obama was in office. A nice show for their base while they knew Obama would obviously veto it.

Then they had complete power and a president who would not veto an attempt to remove Obamacare. Suddenly they grew terrified their actions may have actual consequences and no longer believed in their previous votes.

aloyisious

Water John wrote: »

These names deserve to be engraved on a special plaque and be remembered as enemies of democracy.;
'Cruz and Johnson were joined in issuing a statement on Saturday by Senators James Lankford (Oklahoma), Steve Daines (Montana), John Kennedy (Louisiana), Marsha Blackburn (Tennessee) and Mike Braun (Indiana).

Senators-elect Cynthia Lummis (Wyoming), Roger Marshall (Kansas), Bill Hagerty (Tennessee) and Tommy Tuberville (Alabama)' Guardian

If you add Hawley, Perdue and Loeffler, the number gets higher. As Christy says above: they may be sayers and not doers when the push comes to a shove.

rossie1977

The latest stunt by Cruz and Co is only to to be seen as remaining loyal to Trump and his followers when next elections come around, nothing more. They know they can do nothing to stop Biden being confirmed.

Tucker Carlson is an entertainer. Nothing he says on TV is real or would he make a good politician. First debate he would fold like a pack of cards. Nothing he says on tv/radio he actually believes

Detritus70

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I see that Kelly loeffler is getting desperate because she now saying that her democratic opponent is linked to child abuse. I hope the people of Georgia vote her out of office. What a vile thing to claim without any evidence(I’m shocked) about someone.

I wonder if Trump can be compared to a belligerent drunk who has been getting progressively more aggressive and has just been approached by security to be thrown out and he's just completely lost it.
He has the personality profile for it.

Detritus70

duploelabs wrote: »

Given the stellar cast of his strike force team, who do you think would represent him?
Trump is over leveraged and will be broke when those debts are called in, he won't be wanting to spend any spare cash on the type of lawyers who are high-on-fees/low-on-morals

Trump doesn't care if he can afford something, he wants it, he gets it.
He can always burn them financially later on, it's not like he hasn't got a history of it.

duploelabs

Detritus70 wrote: »

Trump doesn't care if he can afford something, he wants it, he gets it.
He can always burn them financially later on, it's not like he hasn't got a history of it.

Which is why no proper firm would touch him which his election fraud 'suits' and we got the 'slap suit' geniuses with strategies like 'the kraken' and who booked the wrong four seasons

Detritus70

duploelabs wrote: »

Which is why no proper firm would touch him which his election fraud 'suits' and we got the 'slap suit' geniuses with strategies like 'the kraken' and who booked the wrong four seasons

The real genius of Donald Trump is that he is an extremely bad liar and conman. His schemes and grifts are so clumsy and obvious that only a mentally challenged potato could possibly fall for them.
And yet there is a queue of people several thousand miles long who are willing to vote for him, work for him, commit crimes for him, give him money, get stiffed and thrown under the next convenient bus for absolutely no reward whatsoever. They don't even care if they or their friends and family lose their jobs, their house, their health and even their lives.
The practically worship him, even if it means their own destruction.
His one amazing trick is that he can continue to con them even if the con is obvious and has been uncovered.
He really gets treated like some kind of Messiah of Doom.
I'll never understand it.

pixelburp

Detritus70 wrote: »

The real genius of Donald Trump is that he is an extremely bad liar and conman. His schemes and grifts are so clumsy and obvious that only a mentally challenged potato could possibly fall for them.
And yet there is a queue of people several thousand miles long who are willing to vote for him, work for him, commit crimes for him, give him money, get stiffed and thrown under the next convenient bus for absolutely no reward whatsoever. They don't even care if they or their friends and family lose their jobs, their house, their health and even their lives.
The practically worship him, even if it means their own destruction.
His one amazing trick is that he can continue to con them even if the con is obvious and has been uncovered.
He really gets treated like some kind of Messiah of Doom.
I'll never understand it.

It's baffling really, but to be reductive and condescending, Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man. His is the image of vulgar wealth those furthest from ever attaining it might dream of. Yes, he is transparently destructive but then I could see even those in his crosshairs arguing that that's capitalism working as designed. Besides, his victims would think of themselves too smart to fall for cons anyway (don't we all really?).

Carfacemandog

Detritus70 wrote: »

I'll never understand it.

It's a cult. That is all there is to it. I don't mean this as a joke, sarcastic comment, etc either.

It literally is a cult, no different to Jim Jones or David Koresh.

CrabRevolution

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It's a cult. That is all there is to it. I don't mean this as a joke, sarcastic comment, etc either.

It literally is a cult, no different to Jim Jones or David Koresh.

That's what confused me most about his approach to Covid. Had he taken it in any way seriously, his followers would have fallen into line and supported him anyway. It's not like there's preset scriptural rules that he as Pope of Trumpism has to uphold; he is a God to these people so whatever he says would become acceptable to them.

In the eyes of 45% of Americans he can do no wrong, and in the eyes of 45% he can do no right. He only needed to try and appeal to that last 10% and he'd have won the election, but still (in terms of the pandemic anyway) didn't bother.

duploelabs

CrabRevolution wrote: »

That's what confused me most about his approach to Covid. Had he taken it in any way seriously, his followers would have fallen into line and supported him anyway. It's not like there's preset scriptural rules that he as Pope of Trumpism has to uphold; he is a God to these people so whatever he says would become acceptable to them.

In the eyes of 45% of Americans he can do no wrong, and in the eyes of 45% he can do no right. He only needed to try and appeal to that last 10% and he'd have won the election, but still (in terms of the pandemic anyway) didn't bother.

Because trump thinks he's smarter than anyone, so when someone comes along like Fauci and demonstrates that he's not, then his ego takes hold and he'll do whatever the opposite of what he's told to say/do

Headshot

He's so ****ing insane, this man is bonkers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

Overheal

GA SoS clearly released this phone call audio, to Washington Post.

https://twitter.com/GaSecofState/status/1345753643593687040?s=20

Bigger smoking gun than the Zelensky Call. By wide margin.

'you're a republican'

'this is risky for you and your lawyer'

'I just to find 11,780 votes, that's 1 more vote than I have'


https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1345810434138529792?s=20

duploelabs

So what happens if trump doesn't find the legal footing to pardon himself, is there any point on impeaching him now? Or do they wait and charge him with that 'Induce and procure = crimes under 18 USC 2.' crime?

Timberrrrrrrr

Overheal wrote: »

GA SoS clearly released this phone call audio, to Washington Post.

https://twitter.com/GaSecofState/status/1345753643593687040?s=20

Bigger smoking gun than the Zelensky Call. By wide margin.

'you're a republican'

'this is risky for you and your lawyer'

'I just to find 11,780 votes, that's 1 more vote than I have'


https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1345810434138529792?s=20

Have listened to it several times and I'm absolutely aghast at his blatant attempt to cajole and even threatened the SOS into fraudulently changing the outcome of the election.