Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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pixelburp wrote: »

It's great to see Trump deplatformed but equally the cynic in me curls his lip at how this should have been done years ago. The tech companies conveniently finding their spine mere days before Trump loses the presidency. The blowback as low as it could be. Not like he didn't give plenty ammunition in those dying days but equally my applause for Twitter isn't going to be fullsome.

I'd actually have some sympathy for Twitter in this respect. Many Trump supporters here and elsewhere are outraged that he got kicked off even now, and that's after the events of this week, his role in them and specifically as far as Twitter is concerned, the message he put out after his video where he finally conceded the election.

Throughout last year they made it very clear the attention they were paying to his tweets and were labelling them as being inconsistent with the publicly accepted views on certain stories.

FB were much more complicit in allowing various ad practices and with the likely sharing of data to facilitate micro-targeting in particular.

Brian?

Igotadose wrote: »

Remember how Trump put in a bunch of lickspittles to run the DoD recently? Well, among other things, they dragged their heels on DC National Guard readiness. Further, the lines of command were blurry, apparently the DoD got its authorizations from Pence. Where was Trump?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard/index.html

In every state the Governor is the commander in chief of the National Guard. Is Trump the CIC of the DC National Guard?

Nody

Brian? wrote: »

In every state the Governor is the commander in chief of the National Guard. Is Trump the CIC of the DC National Guard?

Yes, Manic confirmed it a few pages back (open to be corrected if I remember incorrectly).

Timberrrrrrrr

Brian? wrote: »

In every state the Governor is the commander in chief of the National Guard. Is Trump the CIC of the DC National Guard?

DC doesn't have a governor its not a state.

ThunbergsAreGo

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/officer-crushed-capitol-riot-video/index.html

New video YouTube link top of above article showing another officer being squished by Trump terrorists in a door, his gas mask ripped off while something sprayed at police (tear gas?) and fella crying in pain, truly awful

‘This is America’ says cnn presenter in disbelief

Truly shocking stuff

Yes this is America

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/1388347/police-officer-filmed-hit-head-with-trash-can-lid-minneapolis-riots/amp/

Both sides just as moronic and violent. Honestly you would swear that the summer protests /riots didn't happen given the commentary this week.

ancapailldorcha

Mod: This is a forum for serious discussion. Posts with insults, one-liners, dumps of links, etc will be removed and sanctions possibly issued.

Detritus70

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes this is America

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/1388347/police-officer-filmed-hit-head-with-trash-can-lid-minneapolis-riots/amp/

Both sides just as moronic and violent. Honestly you would swear that the summer protests /riots didn't happen given the commentary this week.

The difference is, the protests over the summer were by people who don't want to be shot because they're the "wrong" color.
These protests were by people who lost an election and staged an incompetent coup and stormed government buildings.
I suggest you read up on recent American history.
Because, had you paid attention, you may have noticed that this riot left five people dead.

prawnsambo

Brian? wrote: »

In every state the Governor is the commander in chief of the National Guard. Is Trump the CIC of the DC National Guard?

Yeah, Pence calling them out in the end was actually not according with the proper chain of command. It was de facto invoking of the 25th amendment if not in actuality. And the other surrounding states needed authorisation from the DoD.

prawnsambo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

DC doesn't have a governor its not a state.

The mayor of DC is really pushing for this to happen now. I suspect that there will e a 51st state before long. And Puerto Rico really should get the 52nd star. Long past time.

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/BCredibility/status/1347873657348100097?s=19

The nutter from the Sky interview posted yesterday. Brilliant.

Brian?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

DC doesn't have a governor its not a state.

I know, which is why I asked.

ThunbergsAreGo

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BCredibility/status/1347873657348100097?s=19

The nutter from the Sky interview posted yesterday. Brilliant.

That was hilarious, such a funny question. Touched a nerve.

Infini

pixelburp wrote: »

It's great to see Trump deplatformed but equally the cynic in me curls his lip at how this should have been done years ago. The tech companies conveniently finding their spine mere days before Trump loses the presidency. The blowback as low as it could be. Not like he didn't give plenty ammunition in those dying days but equally my applause for Twitter isn't going to be fullsome.

In fairness to them (maybe less so in regards to facebook), they were caught in the middle of this, on the one hand they likely wanted to shut him down entirely to be done with him but on the other because of "Freedom of Speech" being in the constitution and all they risked being sued and having to deal with the fallout from politicians who were using these same people to muster support for themselves.

The only reason they're able to make an agressive push to purge this ideological stupidity is because of the seriousness of what happened, the capitol was stormed, people have died, some of these animals were out to execute elected officials, they were terrorists plain and simple and the republicans have finally being forced to reckon with the monster they helped to created.

It's only now that the serious danger that has been posed by these idiots intoxicated by years of wilful stupidity and encouraged by republicans has been realised and that they finally have oppertunity to purge these accounts and their ideological stupid user bases from all the mainstream platforms without fear of reprisal and they certainly are going to do so after what happened.

abff

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes this is America

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/1388347/police-officer-filmed-hit-head-with-trash-can-lid-minneapolis-riots/amp/

Both sides just as moronic and violent. Honestly you would swear that the summer protests /riots didn't happen given the commentary this week.

Apart from the fact that this is an extreme example of false equivalence, why should anyone talk about what happened during the summer right now? The use of whataboutery is a classic “look over there” ploy to distract from current issues.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that the BLM protests are in some way a justification for the thuggery that took place this week? Really???

froog

jesus just saw the video of the protestors pushing against the police in the small hallway. one of the cops getting the life crushed out of him, screaming for his life, while some rabid MAGA nutter tries to grab his mask and another sprays what i can only assume is mace/pepper spray at officers faces.

rossie1977

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes this is America

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/1388347/police-officer-filmed-hit-head-with-trash-can-lid-minneapolis-riots/amp/

Both sides just as moronic and violent. Honestly you would swear that the summer protests /riots didn't happen given the commentary this week.

Both sides is just nonsense. You can see how heavy handed police got during summer attacking reporters indiscriminately

Reminder: Trump mobilised forces to clear a path from the White House for a photo opportunity holding a bible at St. John’s Church last year but wouldn't mobilise forces on Wednesday, January 6th.

aloyisious

Brian? wrote: »

In every state the Governor is the commander in chief of the National Guard. Is Trump the CIC of the DC National Guard?

Wikipedia: The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief for the District of Columbia National Guard. Command is exercised through the Secretary of Defense and the commanding general, Joint Force Headquarters (JFHQ), District of Columbia National Guard. The Secretary of Defense has delegated his command authority to the Secretary of the Army for the District of Columbia Army National Guard and the Secretary of the Air Force for the District of Columbia Air National Guard.[2] The District of Columbia National Guard is commanded by a major general with a brigadier general as his or her adjutant general. The mayor of the District of Columbia, the United States marshal for the District of Columbia, or the National Capital Service director may request the commander-in-chief to aid them in suppressing insurrection and enforcement of the law; however, there is no chain of authority from the District of Columbia to the D.C. National Guard.[3]

Interesting reading this, it looks like Pence and Sec Army may have sidestepped the CIC to get the Guard moving. It could be that while the CIC was watching the TV for his own delights, his deputy was taking steps to curb the damage, even if it was coincidentally a little late in the day. T/G General Flynn was not there to advise the CIC of what he had ready to hand.

If so much as a hair on the head of a GOP elected person had been harmed by the Trump insurgents, I suggest there would not have been any protestors in the GOP senate ranks on the resumption of the house reading by Pence, rather a deep silence.

I'm assuming the CIC role is due to the fact that DC is the seat of national government. It would be awkward if a governor decided to take things into his own hands there.

Carfacemandog

Police have announced that a pickup truck with guns and bombs has been found nearby

https://nbc-2.com/news/national-world/2021/01/08/police-found-a-pickup-truck-full-of-bombs-and-guns-near-capitol-feds-say/

WASHINGTON — An Alabama man allegedly parked a pickup truck packed with 11 homemade bombs, an assault rifle and a handgun just two blocks form the United States Capitol Building, according to federal prosecutors.

amandstu

So is it fair to deduce that Trump was doing more than egging this crowd on but was transparently manoevering them cynically to stop the count ?(whatever about his veiled physical threats against the individual politicians in the Capitol)

They said he was too stupid to organize an authoritarian state....he came very close even after the Courts hit him into the stands.

Will the far right find a replacement so easily?

Oh and who was using who ? The far right Trump or Trump the far right?

beggars_bush

In 4 years time, the slogan for Trump Jnr will be "Remember the Steal"

Assuming he's not in jail

ToddDameron

rossie1977 wrote: »

Both sides is just nonsense. You can see how heavy handed police got during summer attacking reporters indiscriminately

6 months of protests against police brutality and now people are unhappy that there wasn't enough police brutality. Makes sense. People just want to see the other side crushed with force, it's very much a tale of two sides and America is permanently split. Can't see a way back from the last 4 years.

rosser44

ToddDameron wrote: »

6 months of protests against police brutality and now people are unhappy that there wasn't enough police brutality. Makes sense.

It says a lot about the right wing mentality that they equate journalists getting attacked as being the same as defending the seat of American democracy from violent insurrectionists

banie01

Ronna McDaniel re-elected as RNC chair and Tommy Hicks as co-chair.
Doesn't seem to be much appetite for change in the RNC as yet.
His enablers still manage the party.
There needs to be a political and judicial reckoning.

The Dems need to ditch the rhetoric of bi-partisanship and seek to govern.
Make lives better for Americans and let the cards fall where they will for their opponents.
Immediate changes such as Healthcare for All, increased minimum wage and the new voter rights act.
Then organise, take Stacey Abrams as an example and get out the vote, and ensure that vote is on issues rather than blue v red.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-rnc-amelia/2021/01/08/6cd0c730-51e6-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html%3foutputType=amp

ToddDameron

ToddDameron wrote: »

6 months of protests against police brutality and now people are unhappy that there wasn't enough police brutality. Makes sense.

Not really, it's the completely different handling of the situations. And storming the Capitol is incredibly bloody serious.

StringerBell

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I didnt think they would try to impeach him but if they do he cant run again in 4 years so I think they will

That would only apply if he was convicted, which he won't be. McConnell pretty much confirmed it won't be happening on his watch anyway and I really can't see how they have the numbers regardless.

He won't be running anyway though.

breezy1985

ToddDameron wrote: »

6 months of protests against police brutality and now people are unhappy that there wasn't enough police brutality. Makes sense.

Attacking unarmed reporters is police brutality. Attacking people trying to storm parliament with the intention of taking hostages is not

moon2

ToddDameron wrote: »

6 months of protests against police brutality and now people are unhappy that there wasn't enough police brutality. Makes sense.
.

6 months protesting the two tier policing system where your chances of getting killed are determined primarily by the darkness of your skin rather than the actions undertaken. Once again this two tier system has been irrefutubly proven to exist, and proven to be exactly as described.

ToddDameron

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not really, it's the completely different handling of the situations. And storming the Capitol is incredibly bloody serious.

So serious that someone got shot in the neck and killed, justifiably so. Not buying the police bias on this one, the issue in the beginning was that police were outnumbered, and you know why that was. Yet the narrative is that they willingly let them in, not sure how a handful of police are expected to stop thousands of people.

ToddDameron

rosser44 wrote: »

It says a lot about the right wing mentality that they equate journalists getting attacked as being the same as defending the seat of American democracy from violent insurrectionists

It says a lot about your view of the world when someone questioning whether there is police bias is automatically right wing.