Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

I'm not on twitter, just reading online papers and watching TV for news. Bloomberg HD surveillance programme covering the markets had a side-bar item reporting that Trump mused if the election should be delayed until the vote is safe. Not knowing the full content of anything Trump said on the issue today, I don't know if he means "voting being safe for the citizens" or "the vote is safe" which can be read to be two completely different things. Has anyone been looking at his quotes or tweets today?

If he did utter the said words, they could be simply another "he said/did what?" attention-grab moment on the day of the funeral.

druss

aloyisious wrote: »

I'm not on twitter, just reading online papers and watching TV for news. Bloomberg HD surveillance programme covering the markets had a side-bar item reporting that Trump mused if the election should be delayed until the vote is safe. Not knowing the full content of anything Trump said on the issue today, I don't know if he means "voting being safe for the citizens" or "the vote is safe" which can be read to be two completely different things. Has anyone been looking at his quotes or tweets today?

According to the BBC, he means the latter, again stating that the postal vote is likely to be fraudulent.

Leroy42

druss wrote: »

According to the BBC, he means the latter, again stating that the postal vote is likely to be fraudulent.

If only Trump had access to people in power that could have done something about the postal system and ensured it was working and ready.

Quin_Dub

druss wrote: »

According to the BBC, he means the latter, again stating that the postal vote is likely to be fraudulent.

Yep..

Here's the tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273

Of course , it requires a constitutional amendment and an act of congress to change the date of the Election, so there's is absolutely nothing that Trump or the GOP can do to delay the election unilaterally.

extra gravy

Overheal wrote: »

Here is the op-ed for all

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/john-lewis-civil-rights-america.html

By John Lewis
Mr. Lewis, the civil rights leader who died on July 17, wrote this essay shortly before his death, to be published upon the day of his funeral. Editorial Page Editor Kathleen Kingsbury wrote about this piece and Mr. Lewis’s legacy in Thursday’s edition of our Opinion Today newsletter.

Beautifully written. America needs more of his kind and less of Trump's

Leroy42

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Of course , it requires a constitutional amendment and an act of congress to change the date of the Election, so there's is absolutely nothing that Trump or the GOP can do to delay the election unilaterally.

And of course we know that the GOP will never even dream of changing one letter of the Constitution, or its amendments, as they have continually said about 2nd Amendment.

robinph

His tweets are all about people posting additional fraudulent ballots for someone other than him, but then to backup his claims he's now posted a link to a video that shows the US postal system loses post. Post getting lost is clearly a concern in a vote, but it is not the same thing as fraud or foreign countries somehow managing to post loads of extra votes without being spotted.

Inquitus

druss wrote: »

According to the BBC, he means the latter, again stating that the postal vote is likely to be fraudulent.

Thus it begins! Elections continued throughout the civil war and 2 world wars and it is mandated in the constitution.....

HalloweenJack

I doubt he really believes he'll get the vote moved but it all plays into him casting doubt over any result that doesn't go his way.

If he loses it now, it'll either be voter fraud or they didn't move the date because they wanted him to lose. If he wins, it'll be because it was a fair vote after he raised concerns.

His supporters will lap it up.

Coinicdentally, the US recently registered 150k Covid deaths. It's not like he is trying to bury that (or any other stories), is he?

Stallingrad

Inquitus wrote: »

the constitution.....

That old thing? If he could read he may know that it's impossible to do, but worth a try when he has nothing to lose.

extra gravy

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Coinicdentally, the US recently registered 150k Covid deaths. It's not like he is trying to bury that (or any other stories), is he?

When was the last time he even mentioned the dead? We know he doesn't give a shiit about them but surely his advisors would think it would be a good idea to show some empathy even if it is fake.

druss

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Yep..

Here's the tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273

Of course , it requires a constitutional amendment and an act of congress to change the date of the Election, so there's is absolutely nothing that Trump or the GOP can do to delay the election unilaterally.

Which presumably even he knows. It's just a continuation of the drip-feed of deligitimisation of any negative outcome. He won't have been defeated. He will have been cheated

Overheal

extra gravy wrote: »

When was the last time he even mentioned the dead? We know he doesn't give a shiit about them but surely his advisors would think it would be a good idea to show some empathy even if it is fake.

He mentions it when he's on script, off-script he only falls back to "one death is too many" etc. but there's no sense in his tone that he feels any actual sorrow for those people.

LuckyLloyd

About to find out what America is made of. There’s a large cohort of people who didn’t vote for Trump who’ve spent four years pretending this isn’t happening. It is happening and if you don’t get ready to take action your country will be gone.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

About to find out what America is made of. There’s a large cohort of people who didn’t vote for Trump who’ve spent four years pretending this isn’t happening. It is happening and if you don’t get ready to take action your country will be gone.

Agreed. However even if they win I think the Democrats have a huge dilemma coming up. As much as they aren't winners and don't play the game as well as the Republicans, what the hell should they do? Do they follow the partizanship or do they try and steer things back to the norms of "checks and balances" which as we've found out are mostly optional?

LessOutragePlz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It is happening and if you don’t get ready to take action your country will be gone.

Where is the country going to go to exactly?

is_that_so

So an election delay is the latest ploy!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273

is_that_so

This makes for very grim reading indeed.

The US economy shrank by an annual rate of 32.9% between April and June, its sharpest contraction since the second world war, government figures revealed on Thursday, as more signs emerged of the coronavirus pandemic’s heavy toll on the country’s economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/30/us-gdp-economy-worst-quarter-covid-19-unemployment

Timberrrrrrrr

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Where is the country going to go to exactly?

Further down the drain?

Overheal

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. However even if they win I think the Democrats have a huge dilemma coming up. As much as they aren't winners and don't play the game as well as the Republicans, what the hell should they do? Do they follow the partizanship or do they try and steer things back to the norms of "checks and balances" which as we've found out are mostly optional?

• Use an act of Congress and signed by the POTUS to clearly define the limits of executive authority that have been deliberately challenged in this past administration, including more clarity on the scope of executive privilege, and the indictment of a sitting president - eg., allowing indictments to be filed and statutes of limitations to be suspended during their time in office, so that holding office is not a shield for running out the clock on, for instance, federal elections crimes.
  
• Rebuild the Office of Independent Counsel. The Office of Special Counsel has not proven to have the oversight power that Americans require to hold their highest offices properly accountable.
  
• Require tax filings to be made public for federal elections and perhaps a number of other documents - yes, even birth certificates, that are in the public interest for reasons of the office holders eligibility and public legitimacy as well as ensuring better that office holders do not have secreted conflicts of interest.
  
• Pass an act more clearly defining the obligation of Congress to advise and consent on judicial appointments; define the recourse for when Congress refuses to undertake this role.
  
• Restore the underlying purpose of the Voting Rights Act in accordance with Shelby County v Holder. Pass badly needed reforms and funding for election security that have collected dust on the senate majority leader's desk.
  
• Codify DACA.

Some things they should just roll with: Republicans chose to 'go nuclear' on SCOTUS appointments, but bet your bottom dollar that Republicans in the minority will virtue-signal bloody murder that Democrats should be better than they, and restore the rule requiring a 2/3rds majority for confirmations, after they enjoyed 4 years of exploiting the nuclear option and after having refused to advise and consent on the nomination of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court.

Penn

Herman Cain, former GOP Presidential Candidate has died after being hospitalised with Covid-19. He was at Trump's rally in Tulsa several weeks ago.

https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1288843301722890240

Igotadose

is_that_so wrote: »

This makes for very grim reading indeed.



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/30/us-gdp-economy-worst-quarter-covid-19-unemployment

Hey, where's Rigolo? Where's all the 'greatest economy ever' knuckleheads? Nice job, tGOP.

Overheal

He was a good sport and self-aware he was very eccentric. RIP.

#Ubekibekibekibekistanstan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvBmht9caas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWPqgHqJayc

LessOutragePlz

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Further down the drain?

In what way has it gone down the drain?

extra gravy

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

In what way has it gone down the drain?

Have you been in a coma for the last 4 years?

Penn

Goddamn.... I didn't consider this...

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1288844729195479041?s=20

Trump knows the election date isn't changing. So why fire off that tweet this morning? Grab the headlines and change the narrative.

hmmm

Cain's death, possibly due to Covid picked up at Trump's Tusla rally, and an unbelievably bad economic report - historically bad. No wonder Trump threw out the delay election Tweet, we know how he works now.

extra gravy

hmmm wrote: »

Cain's death, possibly due to Covid picked up at Trump's Tusla rally, and an unbelievably bad economic report - historically bad. No wonder Trump through out the delay election Tweet, we know how he works now.

It's so hilariously transparent though, does he really think that anyone apart from his brainwashed supporters will be fooled by this?

Timberrrrrrrr

Igotadose wrote: »

Hey, where's Rigolo? Where's all the 'greatest economy ever' knuckleheads? Nice job, tGOP.

His biggest fans have all but disappeared from all of the threads, they see the writing on the wall and know that no matter the mental gymnastics they apply there is just no defending Trump anymore.

aloyisious

extra gravy wrote: »

It's so hilariously transparent though, does he really think that anyone apart from his brainwashed supporters will be fooled by this?

No but as they are his last redoubt, he needs to keep them vigilant believers.