Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

partyguinness

briany wrote: »

I cannot believe that Trump is an idiot, although I can believe that he is a total blowhard and ignoramus. A true idiot would not have been able to build the business that Trump has done, for example, even if it's sort of built on sand, it's a most recognisable and lucrative brand. The business world has plenty of people who can take you for a ride if they feel you're slow on the uptake, and even though Trump started off with a large inheritance, a large inheritance can still be squandered. And if Trump were truly an idiot, then what does that make all the people he beat out for the presidency?

I think Trump just wants power and recognition. His ego demands it. But he just doesn't care about detail, at least where politics is concerned. I think the whole business bores him utterly. This makes him look utterly silly when asked to explain points of policy. This is what America gets when they vote in someone who is not of the political world - a rank amateur as president.

There is the "fake it until you make it" rule. It is quite important to note that Turmp is certainly not self made.

You are given a barrel load of money (inheritance) and you take this to the bank. With the foundation in place from your father, right connections and sheer brass neck you can get to where he is.

If you leverage your supposed wealth and connections enough the debt becomes the banks problem- not yours. It becomes a vicious never ending circle that allows him to keep going. There is an element of 'too big to fail.'

Igotadose

In other news, this Administration continues to not sweat the small things. Like having a sign-language interpreter for the Covid-19 briefings, like all the States have. And, they get sued for it. Details, guys, details. Small thing. Bungled.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-trump-covid-19-briefings-sign-language-interpreter_n_5f29509ac5b656e9b0a05fcb

Overheal

Already seemingly confident that DeSantis can rig the Florida vote for him

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1290693131822927875?s=20

Muahahaha

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The point he is probably trying to make is that mail-in ballots are counted so long as they arrive within a number of days after (usually 2? but longer in an emergency?) the election. So, if large numbers use mail-in ballots, the election couldn't be called on election night.

I read somewhere that States have different rules on when mail in ballots get counted. Some can count them in the week leading up to election day so they produce a result on election night and others cannot open them until election day itself. It doesnt bode well for a result on the night of Nov 4th

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I suspect that it was part of a recognition on the part of his team that he needed to reach outside of his bubble for support.

Given the abject failure of that plan thus far , they may retreat to a safe space for now.

yeah these interviews must be an attempt to reach undecideds and turn some Biden voters. Its not working anyway. Im surprised Kayleigh and Kellyanne let him do such long sit down interviews of 45 minutes plus. We already know from the Wallace interview that Kayleigh is standing there right behind the cameras so surely she realises that Trump cannot handle long scrutiny. They should be limiting the interviews to 10 minutes or less as a form of damage control because he just damages himself with long form interviews.

SimonTemplar

Muahahaha wrote: »

I read somewhere that States have different rules on when mail in ballots get counted. Some can count them in the week leading up to election day so they produce a result on election night and others cannot open them until election day itself. It doesnt bode well for a result on the night of Nov 4th






yeah these interviews must be an attempt to reach undecideds and turn some Biden voters. Its not working anyway. Im surprised Kayleigh and Kellyanne let him do such long sit down interviews of 45 minutes plus. We already know from the Wallace interview that Kayleigh is standing there right behind the cameras so surely she realises that Trump cannot handle long scrutiny. They should be limiting the interviews to 10 minutes or less as a form of damage control because he just damages himself with long form interviews.

Trump kept glancing to his right on a number of times during the Swann interview so he was probably looking at her.

8mv

Igotadose wrote: »

In other news, this Administration continues to not sweat the small things. Like having a sign-language interpreter for the Covid-19 briefings, like all the States have. And, they get sued for it. Details, guys, details. Small thing. Bungled.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-trump-covid-19-briefings-sign-language-interpreter_n_5f29509ac5b656e9b0a05fcb

Heaven help any sign languange interpreter trying to make a coherent message out of Trump's stream of consciousness

Trump saying cases are up due to excessive testing then tries to minimise deaths by comparing them to cases rather than population. Incredible

VinLieger

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trump saying cases are up due to excessive testing then tries to minimise deaths by comparing them to cases rather than population. Incredible

Not really considering he doesn't understand the hypocrisy, he sees a number that he likes therefore all other numbers are wrong.

Hes got the logic abilities of a 5 year old.

Igotadose

Remember when the Trump supporters were all over how the FISA warrants obtained as part of the various Trump/Russia investigations were lies/fake/created by Page/Strzok blah blah. Nope. All legitimate per the DOJ. Oh well. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-assistant-attorney-general-national-security-john-c-demers-public-release

bradolf pittler

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I would actually say he is an idiot. His business was probably built with daddy's advisors and then he sunk it after falling out with them and firing them and surrounding himself with yes men. Trump is the face of the business but I very much doubt he is the one making the big decisions, or at least only the ones that ended up tanking it when he disagreed with his consultants.

I believe that before the Presidential run Trump was the Trump organisation was more or less the same as what Ronald Macdonald is to Macdonalds.
Just there to put his name over the building and to shake hands at openings.
Ivanka,Jarrod and the rest run the day to day.

Itssoeasy

Igotadose wrote: »

Remember when the Trump supporters were all over how the FISA warrants obtained as part of the various Trump/Russia investigations were lies/fake/created by Page/Strzok blah blah. Nope. All legitimate per the DOJ. Oh well. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-assistant-attorney-general-national-security-john-c-demers-public-release

Interesting that Chinese espionage was mentioned specifically because apparently the Russians are altar boys.

Lundstram

"We're last, meaning we're first"

:pac:

FrostyJack

briany wrote: »

I cannot believe that Trump is an idiot, although I can believe that he is a total blowhard and ignoramus. A true idiot would not have been able to build the business that Trump has done, for example, even if it's sort of built on sand, it's a most recognisable and lucrative brand. The business world has plenty of people who can take you for a ride if they feel you're slow on the uptake, and even though Trump started off with a large inheritance, a large inheritance can still be squandered. And if Trump were truly an idiot, then what does that make all the people he beat out for the presidency?

In Mary Trump's book and the subsequent NYT piece that came from her legal battle with her family, it outlines he was given the equivalent of 400 million to startup and prop up his stupid business expansions. He had all his father's cronies, paid politicians and mob support in New York keeping him in the lifestyle he needed. When his business imploded the banks wanted something back so they allowed him to still operate. When he went to Atlantic City to run 3 casinos in competition with each other, he had only his father illegally buying chips from his casinos to prop them up hence he was sent packing with his tail between his legs. When his immediate family went to sell his fathers business they sold it for I think 700 millon between them, when it was valued at 1 Billion, and it took in an estimated 500 million a year, so do the maths there, it was terrible business deal. He could possibly be the worst businessman in history. Every time someone wanted to film in his buildings, eg Home Alone 2, he would only allow it if he is featured in it, hence why he was seen in lots of popular media, unlike say other millionaires. He also used to ring up reporters and pretend to be someone that knows Trump and pretend he was dating Madonna and saying he was worth billions, hence he got into Forbes list. This was only clever thing, other than manipulate his supporters, he has ever done.

As said above he faked it till he made it, even though he was born a made man already, he literally threw it all away, hence he will not release his tax returns.

Muahahaha

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Trump kept glancing to his right on a number of times during the Swann interview so he was probably looking at her.

bad sign that, shows he is floundering for help, like a boxer getting pounded in the ring and looking to his coach for instructions.

Who is that (Australian?) journalist for Axios, had never seen him before. He did quite a number on Trump, he wasnt letting him spin anything

bradolf pittler

Muahahaha wrote: »

bad sign that, shows he is floundering for help, like a boxer getting pounded in the ring and looking to his coach for instructions.

Who is that (Australian?) journalist for Axios, had never seen him before. He did quite a number on Trump, he wasnt letting him spin anything

Jonathan Swan,Works for Axios and is a regular on Morning Joe for MSNBC

pixelburp

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I would actually say he is an idiot. His business was probably built with daddy's advisors and then he sunk it after falling out with them and firing them and surrounding himself with yes men. Trump is the face of the business but I very much doubt he is the one making the big decisions, or at least only the ones that ended up tanking it when he disagreed with his consultants.

Not just built with daddy's advisors, but Trump's series of business disasters (like Trump Air, Magazine, his attempt at a breakaway American football league) were probably offset by an inherited Manhattan property portfolio. His CV is littered with disaster and if 2008 was when the well ran dry, it begs the question how he ever kept liquid at all.

Always worth remembering though that Donald Trump, apparent business genius, couldn't make money from a casino in Atlantic City. That's píss up in brewery levels of inept. His success is the most vulgar, yet successful form of Emperor's New Clothes in modern life; one bolstered by the superficial showiness of a reality TV show.

Itssoeasy

Having the whole axios interview its worse than you'd imagine.

- So we have the already released Russia rambling.
- We have the horrible John Lewis part where trump is still pissed the late congressman didn't attend his inauguration.
- The graph rubbish
- and now apparently Ghislane maxwell wasn't arrested and when told yes she was he responded by saying good luck proving guilt. I mean what the hell was that about ? What happened to wishing her well ?

StringerBell

Dempo1 wrote: »

https://www.axios.com/full-axios-hbo-interview-donald-trump-cd5a67e1-6ba1-46c8-bb3d-8717ab9f3cc5.html

Just in case anyone has any doubt how incompetent trump is, take a look at his latest and by far his worst interview to date "it is was it is" was his response to over 150,000 deaths in the US as a result of Covid, but that's not all. Its a truly shocking and staggering interview and on a platform that's historically supportive of him. This the leader of the free world? Truly disturbing

Platform thats historically supportive of him?

Anyway, **** me what an absolute dumpster fire of an interview. It was almost a parody for large parts, an SNL skit could not do any better.

His answer on the John Lewis question is everything you need to know about Donald John Trump.

The rest, jeez what an absolute cluster**** of an interview. Surely they have to stop him doing these? I know he will of course think the interview went incredibly well, that he did a great job because in his mind he is not capable of doing any less than a great job, but is there nobody can stop him embarrassing himself and his party, and his supporters?

Timberrrrrrrr

StringerBell wrote: »

Platform thats historically supportive of him?

Anyway, **** me what an absolute dumpster fire of an interview. It was almost a parody for large parts, an SNL skit could not do any better.

His answer on the John Lewis question is everything you need to know about Donald John Trump.

The rest, jeez what an absolute cluster**** of an interview. Surely they have to stop him doing these? I know he will of course think the interview went incredibly well, that he did a great job because in his mind he is not capable of doing any less than a great job, but is there nobody can stop him embarrassing himself and his party, and his supporters?

I really hope not, I hope he does at least one of these a week right up to the election. The more he does the more people will see how utterly vile he is and turn away from him. If the election is tight he will cause trouble all over, if it's a total rout and he loses on a massive scale then hopefully it will be a smoother transition of power.

gmisk

pixelburp wrote: »

Not just built with daddy's advisors, but Trump's series of business disasters (like Trump Air, Magazine, his attempt at a breakaway American football league) were probably offset by an inherited Manhattan property portfolio. His CV is littered with disaster and if 2008 was when the well ran dry, it begs the question how he ever kept liquid at all.

Always worth remembering though that Donald Trump, apparent business genius, couldn't make money from a casino in Atlantic City. That's píss up in brewery levels of inept. His success is the most vulgar, yet successful form of Emperor's New Clothes in modern life; one bolstered by the superficial showiness of a reality TV show.

That is only the tip of the iceberg for failed businesses.
Trump university
Trump beverages
Trump the game
Trump's travel site
Trump steaks
Trump casinos
Trump mortgages
Trump vodka etc etc

Leroy42

Would I be right in thinking that Trump wasn't that well known prior to the apprentice, certainly not in the way he was afterwards?

That he was known because he had money and was a society celebrity more than any titan of business?

And that it is generally thought that, at least initially, the bid for POTUS was more about getting the Trump brand increased than any real desire to win?

I'm not saying he was not a businessman, but he hadn't done anything noteworthy or particularly different

pixelburp

gmisk wrote: »

That is only the tip of the iceberg for failed businesses.
Trump university
Trump beverages
Trump the game
Trump's travel site
Trump steaks
Trump casinos
Trump mortgages
Trump vodka etc etc

Oh, 100%. Trump's business record is abysmal and I don't believe there are many (if any) unqualified success stories with his various ventures. Even his own property ventures have been questionable in places - such as his loss making Irish & Scottish golf clubs. The man just seems to have no eye for making money. His attacks on Jeff Bezos have the stench of the desperately jealous.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Would I be right in thinking that Trump wasn't that well known prior to the apprentice, certainly not in the way he was afterwards?

That he was known because he had money and was a society celebrity more than any titan of business?

And that it is generally thought that, at least initially, the bid for POTUS was more about getting the Trump brand increased than any real desire to win?

I'm not saying he was not a businessman, but he hadn't done anything noteworthy or particularly different

I think what Apprentice did was basically give Trump free, national advertisement for his "brand", giving him the platform he always craved. Donald Trump was definitely famous but in that resting sense of a recognisable name, but not necessarily a celebrity. He appeared in pop culture cameos in the 90s such as Home Alone 2 or The Fresh Prince of Bel Air (and was apparently a nightmare to deal with), but Apprentice was a TV hit, and Trump's historic posturing as "the tycoon" struck a chord with the nostalgic and easily swayed. The poor man's idea of a rich man, as I once sarcastically read.

There's huge parallels with Boris Johnson yet again IMO: I still maintain "Have I Got News For You" launched Johnson's national political career, the show thinking it was in control, poking fun at this self-deprecating, affable upper-class buffoon. When in fact all it did was make Johnson seem appealing to the nostalgic, easily swayed demographics of UK. Both it and Apprentice acted as promotional tools for both future leaders' brands.

gmisk

pixelburp wrote: »

Oh, 100%. Trump's business record is abysmal and I don't believe there are many (if any) unqualified success stories with his various ventures. Even his own property ventures have been questionable in places - such as his loss making Irish & Scottish golf clubs. The man just seems to have no eye for making money. His attacks on Jeff Bezos have the stench of the desperately jealous.




I think what Apprentice did was basically give Trump free, national advertisement for his "brand", giving him the platform he always craved. Donald Trump was definitely famous but in that resting sense of a recognisable name, but not necessarily a celebrity. He appeared in pop culture cameos in the 90s such as Home Alone 2 or The Fresh Prince of Bel Air (and was apparently a nightmare to deal with), but Apprentice was a TV hit, and Trump's historic posturing as "the tycoon" struck a chord with the nostalgic and easily swayed. The poor man's idea of a rich man, as I once sarcastically read.

There's huge parallels with Boris Johnson yet again IMO: I still maintain "Have I Got News For You" launched Johnson's national political career, the show thinking it was in control, poking fun at this self-deprecating, affable upper-class buffoon. When in fact all it did was make Johnson seem appealing to the nostalgic, easily swayed demographics of UK. Both it and Apprentice acted as promotional tools for both future leaders' brands.

Totally agree and spot on about Boris Johnson it did something pretty similar for Jacob Rees-Mogg. They boosted his profile massively and made him seem like a quaint harmless throwback to posho characters from the past.
It also definitely helped boost Nigel farages platform as well he is never off the fecking tv.

Penn

pixelburp wrote: »

I think what Apprentice did was basically give Trump free, national advertisement for his "brand", giving him the platform he always craved. Donald Trump was definitely famous but in that resting sense of a recognisable name, but not necessarily a celebrity. He appeared in pop culture cameos in the 90s such as Home Alone 2 or The Fresh Prince of Bel Air (and was apparently a nightmare to deal with), but Apprentice was a TV hit, and Trump's historic posturing as "the tycoon" struck a chord with the nostalgic and easily swayed. The poor man's idea of a rich man, as I once sarcastically read.

There's huge parallels with Boris Johnson yet again IMO: I still maintain "Have I Got News For You" launched Johnson's national political career, the show thinking it was in control, poking fun at this self-deprecating, affable upper-class buffoon. When in fact all it did was make Johnson seem appealing to the nostalgic, easily swayed demographics of UK. Both it and Apprentice acted as promotional tools for both future leaders' brands.

Agreed. Look at Bloomberg. Decided to throw his war chest at getting him a shot at the Presidency and was resoundly told to f*ck off. Whereas Trump succeeded by putting himself forward as the antithesis of how he actually built his businesses; lying, cheating, screwing over the middle class, bankrupting his own businesses but having people over a barrel enough to continue on, inheriting a huge portion of his wealth and properties....

Everything that made Trump the businessman he is are terrible attributes for a President. He just hid them extremely well under his bluster and his distractionary and divisionary tactics.

salmocab

Whilst I’m sure the apprentice boosted his profile he’d already been in movies and if I remember right was it n the wrestling fighting vince mc Mahon. Self promotion seems to be one thing he’s both shameless and good at.

duploelabs

pixelburp wrote: »

I think what Apprentice did was basically give Trump free, national advertisement for his "brand", giving him the platform he always craved. Donald Trump was definitely famous but in that resting sense of a recognisable name, but not necessarily a celebrity. He appeared in pop culture cameos in the 90s such as Home Alone 2 or The Fresh Prince of Bel Air (and was apparently a nightmare to deal with), but Apprentice was a TV hit, and Trump's historic posturing as "the tycoon" struck a chord with the nostalgic and easily swayed. The poor man's idea of a rich man, as I once sarcastically read.

The apprentice cultivated the idea in the public mind that Trump is a successful business tycoon, whereas in reality he is nothing of the sort. In the same manner, but a different scale, the majority of the general public perceive Donal Skehan to be a chef, yet anyone who has working a day of their life in a proper kitchen will tell you after watching him for 5 minutes that that title wasn't earned but marketed

CelticRambler

How's he going to back-track on this one? Contrary to everyone else's information (including the Lebanese and the Israelis, and every military ordnance expert the news channels can find at short notice), unprompted he says the Beirut explosion was an attack, a bomb. Was such an idea floated even briefly on Fox, or is just another example of him being utterly unable to answer "I don't know" (except when it suits him to say "nobody knows") ...?

looksee

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290794273261133824

Warning - that is a link to Trump's twitter account. It shows his latest promotional video which is an image of a Time magazine cover and shows Trump continuing to rule as the years roll on though the 2000's to 30,000 and concludes 'EEEEEEE trump forevah!' Its being interpreted as him saying he isn't leaving the White House, and is fueling the argument that he is looking for a civil war. Whatever about the interpretation, it is pathetic.

Tchaikovsky

A flailing attempt at distraction from the real events, just like his whole existence.

pixelburp

Honestly, given the bevvy of evidence we've seen throughout the 3+ years of his Presidency, I don't believe Trump can retain facts or information half the time; so I doubt he even knows the President has term limits.