Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

The White Wolf

Harris will be a good running mate to Biden, obviously she won't be able to step on his toes but her sharp and direct nature will assist in quieting the doddery Joe attacks.

listermint

StringerBell wrote: »

Harris as VP is the first real misstep I see from Biden and the campaign team. The democrats can yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory me thinks

Huh... She was the obvious choice

Headshot

There was no win win situation for Biden, some group was always going to complain about their pick not getting the VP

Kamala Harris was the right pick

dwayneshintzy

StringerBell wrote: »

Harris as VP is the first real misstep I see from Biden and the campaign team. The democrats can yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory me thinks

What's wrong with Harris, in your mind?

dogbert27

druss wrote: »

Drinking bleach didn't even get a mention!

Or sticking UV light bulbs in your lungs! :pac:

Gbear

Unless there's some hither to unknown skeletons in Harris's closet, her pick, vs any other of the candidates that bad been touted for the last few months will make virtually no difference in the outcome of the election.

alchemist33

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What's wrong with Harris, in your mind?

Some say she'll lose votes because she was in law enforcement (its gotten some bad press lately) and an affair she had (yes, I know - pot kettle black) but I suspect the pros of being in law enforcement and being a mixed race woman with a hefty CV will outweigh that by a distance.

Water John

StringerBell wrote: »

Harris as VP is the first real misstep I see from Biden and the campaign team. The democrats can yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory me thinks

Was expecting this type of post. Even had it ready and just slip in the picked name and post.

She is bolshie and some have a bit of difficulty with that, in a woman.

StringerBell

Cody montana wrote: »

Why?

She doesn't bring a whole lot to the table

She isn't popular with Latinos, she doesn't guarantee a state that isn't guaranteed already, she actually damages him potentially in his strongest category of black voters given her record as being "tough" on crime and I don't see her really appealing to the older white demographic. She doesn't actually have a huge profile in terms of popularity, in fact she got her only boost in the numbers that time she attacked Biden iirc then she petered out.

Do you think she was the best choice? I'd love to hear a good counter argument in her favour of there is one?

pixelburp

Harris has the largest media profile and an already solid (if controversial) past career. Tim Kane she is not and while the left leaning part of the Democrats might have preferred someone equally liberal, she also seems tailor made for a leadership role - again, unlike the last choice. And whatever about ideological failings, it's "once bitten, twice shy" with democrats. After 2016 they can't be picky voters and snub the candidate when the alternative is a further slide into CEO brand cult leadership

StringerBell

Water John wrote: »

Was expecting this type of post. Even had it ready and just slip in the picked name and post.

She is bolshie and some have a bit of difficulty with that, in a woman.

That's a laughable post tbh.

Foxtrol

alchemist33 wrote: »

Some say she'll lose votes because she was in law enforcement (its gotten some bad press lately) and an affair she had (yes, I know - pot kettle black) but I suspect the pros of being in law enforcement and being a mixed race woman with a hefty CV will outweigh that by a distance.

I know Trump is a walking hypocrite but it takes insane logic to highlight her ties to law enforcement while saying her and Biden are weak on crime. Even highlighting her law enforcement ties is no where near Trump gassing protesters for photo ops etc.

dwayneshintzy

StringerBell wrote: »

She doesn't bring a whole lot to the table

She isn't popular with Latinos, she doesn't guarantee a state that isn't guaranteed already, she actually damages him potentially in his strongest category of black voters given her record as being "tough" on crime and I don't see her really appealing to the older white demographic. She doesn't actually have a huge profile in terms of popularity, in fact she got her only boost in the numbers that time she attacked Biden iirc then she petered out.

Do you think she was the best choice? I'd love to hear a good counter argument in her favour of there is one?

I wouldn't argue that she's the best choice, or who I'd want for President or VP, but she's a safe enough choice and I definitely don't think it's a massive misstep.


There are definitely issues with her time as AG in California for some Democrats, but they're massively outweighed by who she and Biden will be running against. I don't see that depressing the Democrat vote in any way. Someone in an earlier post associated Harris to Clinton, which made no sense. One of the biggest positives for her is that she'll have little baggage for Trump and the Republicans to tie back to Hillary and 2016.

Water John

The only point I would make is that if she was a woman of colour Gretchen Whitmer might have got the nod.

StringerBell

pixelburp wrote: »

Harris has the largest media profile and an already solid (if controversial) past career. Tim Kane she is not and while the left leaning part of the Democrats might have preferred someone equally liberal, she also seems tailor made for a leadership role - again, unlike the last choice. And whatever about ideological failings, it's "once bitten, twice shy" with democrats. After 2016 they can't be picky voters and snub the candidate when the alternative is a further slide into CEO brand cult leadership

I hope your right, I like Harris. Time will tell I suppose, I think she will wipe the floor with Pence in a VP debate (assuming there is one?)

I have laid out my thoughts on why I think she may be a mistake for Biden but I can appreciate why she was the choice also tbf.

Cody montana

StringerBell wrote: »

She doesn't bring a whole lot to the table

She isn't popular with Latinos, she doesn't guarantee a state that isn't guaranteed already, she actually damages him potentially in his strongest category of black voters given her record as being "tough" on crime and I don't see her really appealing to the older white demographic. She doesn't actually have a huge profile in terms of popularity, in fact she got her only boost in the numbers that time she attacked Biden iirc then she petered out.

Do you think she was the best choice? I'd love to hear a good counter argument in her favour of there is one?

Most certainly she’s the best choice.
I’ve seen her eviscerate other politicians.
She highly intelligent, calm and a strong woman.

Who would have been better and why?

StringerBell

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

I wouldn't argue that she's the best choice, or who I'd want for President or VP, but she's a safe enough choice and I definitely don't think it's a massive misstep.


There are definitely issues with her time as AG in California for some Democrats, but they're massively outweighed by who she and Biden will be running against. I don't see that depressing the Democrat vote in any way. Someone in an earlier post associated Harris to Clinton, which made no sense. One of the biggest positives for her is that she'll have little baggage for Trump and the Republicans to tie back to Hillary and 2016.

What about the other considerations I mentioned?

I agree I don't think it's a massive misstep alright but imo a misstep none the less. Then again another poster said it was a no win situation for Biden with the VP pick and that's actually fair enough too.

StringerBell

Cody montana wrote: »

Most certainly she’s the best choice.
I’ve seen her eviscerate other politicians.
She highly intelligent, calm and a strong woman.

Who would have been better and why?

I asked you for a counter argument to my points, when you provide that I'll continue on to the next point and address who I think would be a better pick and why.

Saying she is most certainly the best pick and not backing it up does not further the debate at all.

Drumpot

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The hospitals reported their numbers to the CDC until July 15th. The white house ordered they be reported to them instead from that date on. Within 5 days of that, the rolling average had gone from a sharp incline to completely levelled off, and a few days later it began to drop - they are now about 20% down from their mid/late July peak despite extremely few lockdown measures being in place and a huge number of Americans refusing to wear masks and congregating in close numbers without social distancing daily.

'Fake numbers' might well prove to be the case after all.

I’ve been wondering why little has been made of this.

Whatever about testing , can they manipulate deaths to look like non COVID?

Really is remarkable how much corruption Trump seems to be able to get away with, Teflon Bertie isn’t a patch on him.. Has he managed to block enough people from voting to swing a few states Yet?

Water John

I presume she'll have a blitz of media interviews and spotlight over the next weekend. Let's see how she performs.

StringerBell

Water John wrote: »

I presume she'll have a blitz of media interviews and spotlight over the next weekend. Let's see how she performs.

I'd expect her to be very good in those, she is a brilliant political operative and very polished. If she were a senator in a battleground state it would be perfect.

She will be very well prepared and she is very media savvy. I don't have any concerns about her in that regard anyway

Carfacemandog

Water John wrote: »

Was expecting this type of post. Even had it ready and just slip in the picked name and post.

She is bolshie and some have a bit of difficulty with that, in a woman.

Ah now, while I 100% agree with your general point, being familiar with that poster that doesn't seem particularly fair toward them. I'm not a huge fan of hers myself but don't think it was going to make much difference between a handful of people like her. I was strongly pushing for a progressive candidate to bridge the young/Bernie voters a few months back but the dynamic has changed drastically in the last 2 or 3 months.

Water John

I actually didn't note who actually posted re Harris, just my gut had already said, someone will go with the narrative of, if only it was some other pick.

dwayneshintzy

StringerBell wrote: »

I'd expect her to be very good in those, she is a brilliant political operative and very polished. If she were a senator in a battleground state it would be perfect.

She will be very well prepared and she is very media savvy. I don't have any concerns about her in that regard anyway

Not sure how much difference this really makes, though. Paul Ryan didn't carry Wisconsin in '12, Edwards didn't carry North Carolina in '04.....you could say Kaine carried Virginia in '16, though it was won by similar margins to the Obama years. Sarah Palin, Joe Liebermann, Jack Kamp, Dan Quayle weren't in battleground states, or states that you'd ever think would be close. Biden, Cheney weren't either, suppose you could say Al Gore helped Clinton win Tennessee.


I'm not sure how much consideration there should be in giving the choice to a swing state over other considerations, really. Especially as it's not clear it really makes all the much of a difference.

randomname2005

Drumpot wrote: »

I’ve been wondering why little has been made of this.

Whatever about testing , can they manipulate deaths to look like non COVID?

Really is remarkable how much corruption Trump seems to be able to get away with, Teflon Bertie isn’t a patch on him.. Has he managed to block enough people from voting to swing a few states Yet?

You only get high numbers if you test for them. No covid test, no death from covid.

ECO_Mental

StringerBell wrote: »

I think she will wipe the floor with Pence in a VP debate (assuming there is one?)

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No way...Pence is a f**king genius at this. Look at the last VP debate. Kaine came out swinging at Pence the last time and Pence just smiled and smirked he way through the debate. He didnt answer any question asked of him just answered what he wanted to say. Stalemate, although that saying she will have A LOT of ammo to bring to the fight and the absolute debacle of the last 4 years. Bring it on

hotmail.com

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

This is the Politics forum, though.

Of course. But let's not forget that the choice of vice president isn't an issue for most voters in America. I wouldn't be surprised if name recognition is poor for US vice presidents, particularly given the low voter interest in America in general.

TomOnBoard

I see lots of pros and possibly some cons will be argued but on balance, I'm happy enough with Biden picking Kamala Harris.

Pros:

If Biden dies in office, she'd be a waaay better POTUS than Pence would be if Trump died. So, on a VP vs VP basis, she wins hands down.
As a woman, she fulfils Biden's promise to select a female running mate.
As a POC, she amplifies Biden's commitment to support for minorities.
She is a mighty speaker and questioner and is quick and intelligent on her feet. She will drive a coach and four through Pence's waffle and lies in debates.
She has a law enforcement background so will be able to inform policy from the inside of the LE world, which Biden will have to deal with.
Her selection may force Trump to drop Pence in favour of Nikki Haley. That would set the cat among the Rep pigeons.

Cons:
The alleged 'affair'. This is a crock of BS. She was a single woman dating a man who was estranged from his wife for 13 years at that point. If any of the Rep hypocrites bring up that ****e, she only needs to say "I dated a man who was separated from his wife for 13 years when I came along. Are you seriously suggesting that is comparable with the actions of President Trump in relation to...." ( Take your pick here): "Stormy", Karen Mc Dougal,"19 sex assault claims", "Marla Mason", "Melanija Knavs", "E. Jean Carroll".... Are you asking this because I am a woman, and you would prefer I remained chained to the kitchen sink, barefoot and pregnant???".

Colour: it's been alleged on the far right that Kamala is 'not black enough', given that she is of Indian rather than African ethnicity. Well,, I'll leave Kamala to handle that one!

So, if the Trump brigade trot out these negatives, buy the popcorn, sit back and watch her eviscerate them

AMKC

I just hope she can help Joe Biden to win as I think most people, me included are sick of Trump and his antics as well as his administration.

Itssoeasy

hotmail.com wrote: »

Of course. But let's not forget that the choice of vice president isn't an issue for most voters in America. I wouldn't be surprised if name recognition is poor for US vice presidents, particularly given the low voter interest in America in general.

Well yeah fair point that I'd be able to go back fairly far on US presidents as far as naming them but Vice Presidents wouldn't be my mastermind specialist subject. But it's said all the time that the VP is supposed to do no harm to the nominee and I don't think kamala Harris will unduly hurt joe Bidens campaign.