Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Carfacemandog

Gbear wrote: »

He knows that the only thing keeping him out of jail is a complicit AG and his position in the White House.


There is 0 chance that if he goes down, he doesn't go down kicking and screaming.

Edited that one for accuracy, Barr literally got the job on the back of an extensive letter to truno about how he would make it is sole focus to shield him from the law.

AbusesToilets

Tell me how wrote: »

So, in your words, the President is practicing voting suppression, the Republicans have abandoned good governance, but the Democrats are at fault for the current situation in the USPS?

Is that your position?

They share the blame for the current issues facing the USPS, yes. In much the same way that they share the blame for many of the US military fiascos of the GWOT. It's not a zero sum game. Both parties can be in the wrong.

My position, to address your post, is that Pelosi is being a hypocrite in the manner she is framing the Democratic response to Trump's actions.

Tell me how

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They share the blame for the current issues facing the USPS, yes. In much the same way that they share the blame for many of the US military fiascos of the GWOT. It's not a zero sum game. Both parties can be in the wrong.

My position, to address your post, is that Pelosi is being a hypocrite in the manner she is framing the Democratic response to Trump's actions.

A hypocritical politician? Seriously? I have never heard of such a thing.

Given that the topic relates to the holder of the single most powerful office in the world actively trying to illegally influence an election, I am of the view that this is the item on which everyone should be focused and to not do so, is absolving them from their behaviour.

I can add to that let there be no doubt, if Trump is out after November, problems will persist and most politicians will largely focus on their own interests and that of their donors. And there is no shortage of Democrats capable of this. This is why, when there are politicians who are demonstrably trying to help society in general, they should be encouraged and supported. That is a debate for different topics and threads, but I wanted to make it clear my position that this is not a Red bad, Blue good thing here.

duploelabs

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They share the blame for the current issues facing the USPS, yes. In much the same way that they share the blame for many of the US military fiascos of the GWOT. It's not a zero sum game. Both parties can be in the wrong.

My position, to address your post, is that Pelosi is being a hypocrite in the manner she is framing the Democratic response to Trump's actions.

It just seems you're blaming the Dems for not closing a loophole that Trump is now exploiting by crippling of the postal service

aloyisious

For what it's worth, Fox News and other media sources have USPS I/G as investigating the recent changes made by the USPS Postmaster General.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mounting-concerns-about-postal-slowdown-and-elections.

Alongside Fox40, CBS, The Hill and International Business are the other agencies and media.

aloyisious

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The current crony serving as Postmaster General is using the pretext of financial reorganisation and restructuring as a stalking horse, both to strengthen his personal financial position and to further Trump's reelection strategy.

That alone should serve as a reasonable cause for him to be stood aside, if necessary by federal court order. No invite, just a court order to sequester himself while his Postmaster General activities are examined to see if they can have a beneficial effect on any of his private and family business activities. If he refuses to comply, have him arrested for contempt of the court order and force Trump's hand in the affair. If Trump had no hand, act or part in the PMG's activities, he cant really offer any defence of them.

Ben Done

Gael23 wrote: »

His brother has died

He'll do the eulogy, and make it all about him, no doubt.

Water John

He blamed Robert when the casino business went belly up. Robert walked out and never worked for Donald again.

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I don't know how you could read my original post and completely miss the point. Pelosi and the Democrats, along with the Republicans, voted for a Bill which directly caused the majority of the issues currently faced by the USPS. Those problems play into the current crisis, and are being exploited by Trump in an effort to increase disenfranchisement. For her to try and claim the moral high ground whiffs of hypocrisy.

No, it is not. Trump's postmaster general is the direct cause of the majority of the current issues right now, and Trump vetoing money for the agency. Dozens of USPS officials fired, mailboxes removed, sorting machines removed, decades-long standing policies upended. People waiting weeks for prescriptions to show up in the mail. Covid relief aid has been slowed down because of how much opposition there has been from the Trump Admin to allow any money to flow to the USPS. That it is the current issue, not the status quo from the last 15 years. Cop the hell on.

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1294798968942219265?s=20

It's not like the Democrats couldn't have foreseen the likelihood of Trump using voter suppression to aid his reelection efforts. Where was the concern last year, or any of the preceding ones? It's all for show, like most of Pelosi's actions.

You'd have to be blind to have not seen any voter suppression issues in the news in the last few years. Utterly blind.

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They share the blame for the current issues facing the USPS, yes. In much the same way that they share the blame for many of the US military fiascos of the GWOT. It's not a zero sum game. Both parties can be in the wrong.

My position, to address your post, is that Pelosi is being a hypocrite in the manner she is framing the Democratic response to Trump's actions.

When did Pelosi suppress the vote?

AbusesToilets

Overheal wrote: »

No, it is not. Trump's postmaster general is the direct cause of the majority of the current issues right now, and Trump vetoing money for the agency. Dozens of USPS officials fired, mailboxes removed, sorting machines removed, decades-long standing policies upended. People waiting weeks for prescriptions to show up in the mail. Covid relief aid has been slowed down because of how much opposition there has been from the Trump Admin to allow any money to flow to the USPS. That it is the current issue, not the status quo from the last 15 years. Cop the hell on.

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1294798968942219265?s=20




You'd have to be blind to have not seen any voter suppression issues in the news in the last few years. Utterly blind.

Overheal wrote: »

When did Pelosi suppress the vote?

The Postmaster is taking advantage of long standing issues stemming from funding problems directly related to the passage of the aforementioned Bill. In that fashion, the stage was set for this series of actions for sometime now. The Democrats played a prominent part in the passage of said BIll.

As related to Pelosi, you're reading what you want in my post, rather than what was written. She, and the rest of the Democrats have been quite happy to push the USPS into a position of vulnerability over the last decade, likely because of vested interests relating to profiting off of privatisation. Forgive me if I don't take her current concern for the Agency at face value, given the preceding silence, despite repeated warnings in the media about the issue.

There are no shortage of well payed strategists should have foreseen Trump abusing the USPS in an effort to steal the election. He's hardly been discrete in going about business.

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The Postmaster is taking advantage of long standing issues stemming from funding problems directly related to the passage of the aforementioned Bill. In that fashion, the stage was set for this series of actions for sometime now. The Democrats played a prominent part in the passage of said BIll.

As related to Pelosi, you're reading what you want in my post, rather than what was written. She, and the rest of the Democrats have been quite happy to push the USPS into a position of vulnerability over the last decade, likely because of vested interests relating to profiting off of privatisation. Forgive me if I don't take her current concern for the Agency at face value, given the preceding silence, despite repeated warnings in the media about the issue.

There are no shortage of well payed strategists should have foreseen Trump abusing the USPS in an effort to steal the election. He's hardly been discrete in going about business.

Bull. Republicans have been trying to dismantle/privatize USPS not just in the past 10 years but longer than I care to remember. Look at which party has been able to pass or fail bills for the vast majority of the past 20 years. Spoiler alert: not Democrats.

AbusesToilets

Overheal wrote: »

Bull. Republicans have been trying to dismantle/privatize USPS not just in the past 10 years but longer than I care to remember. Look at which party has been able to pass or fail bills for the vast majority of the past 20 years. Spoiler alert: not Democrats.

The vote on that Bill had 20 Congress people voted against it. The Democrats were fully in support.

TomOnBoard

I read that the Senate Intelligence Committee sent a bi-partisan letter to the US Attorney's office for DC in June 2019 reporting that they believe both Don Jr, Jared, Manafort and Hope Hicks may have misled Congress in their testimony to the Committee investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Furthermore, they reported Steve Bannon, Sam Clovis and Erik Prince outright lied to the same Committee.

I'm wondering whether there's ever been any further action/ investigation by the US Attorney??

aloyisious

Ref Rob Trump passing away and Don Trump being at his bedside at the time, if one takes the fact that Don was at his Bedminster, NJ, golf course over the weekend attending a rally cum dinner election-funding event and news conference attended by NYC members and PBA affiliated members - incl the former NYC Commisioner Bernard Kerwick pardoned by Trump on federal tax evasion charges he was found guilty of and imprisoned for, he obviously kept other matters close to his heart close to his mind as well. It's mentioned that the PBA paid for the event at Trump's golf courses. Another person, Wayne Allen Root, asked trump last year to issue the pardon to Kerwick.

https://www.newsmax.com/wayneallynroot/bernie-kerik-pardon-trump/2019/09/19/id/933404/

Last month Bill Barr had this to say about pardons issued to Trumps friends. Attorney General William Barr on Tuesday sought to defend his politicization of the Department of Justice, wrongly claiming that he's intervened in cases against Trump's friends and allies to "restore the rule of law" rather than sully it.

"I agree the president's friends don't deserve special breaks. But they also don't deserve to be treated more harshly than other people," Barr said Tuesday at a House Judiciary Committee hearing into Barr's politicization of the Department of Justice.

https://americanindependent.com/william-barr-donald-trump-special-breaks-michael-flynn-roger-stone-attorney-general/

Christy42

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/harris-trump-birther-attacks/index.html

I see Trump is starting to hint at the birther angle again. The thought of non white people in the white house definitely seems to piss him off something terrible.

hotmail.com

Christy42 wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/harris-trump-birther-attacks/index.html

I see Trump is starting to hint at the birther angle again. The thought of non white people in the white house definitely seems to piss him off something terrible.

I have no idea why, as Obama didn't change anything when he got in. Racists have nothing to fear.

Leroy42

4 years of being the one of the best POTUS ever, maybe just behind Lincoln, and all he has is that somebody maybe, if you don't look at the facts, might not be eligible even though everyone knows that they are.

That is all he has. Seems to be running pretty scared to me.

Leroy42

hotmail.com wrote: »

I have no idea why, as Obama didn't change anything when he got in. Racists have nothing to fear.

They never do. There is not going to be a take over of the US by minorities, people don't need to fear for their guns being taken away. Libetry and freedom is not in jeopardy.

But still they run around being completed freaked out by anyone or anything that is different to them. Gays, blacks, women, foreigners. They are in constant fear.

StringerBell

Leroy42 wrote: »

They never do. There is not going to be a take over of the US by minorities, people don't need to fear for their guns being taken away. Libetry and freedom is not in jeopardy.

But still they run around being completed freaked out by anyone or anything that is different to them. Gays, blacks, women, foreigners. They are in constant fear.

It's a pretty good example of what decades of conditioning and fear mongering can do to a population alright.

StringerBell

Christy42 wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/harris-trump-birther-attacks/index.html

I see Trump is starting to hint at the birther angle again. The thought of non white people in the white house definitely seems to piss him off something terrible.

It's amazing that these considerations never came up for John McCain, or Ted Cruz, what's different about them and Harris/Obama I wonder

amandstu

Leroy42 wrote: »

They never do. There is not going to be a take over of the US by minorities, people don't need to fear for their guns being taken away. Libetry and freedom is not in jeopardy.

But still they run around being completed freaked out by anyone or anything that is different to them. Gays, blacks, women, foreigners. They are in constant fear.

I have a feeling that it is not so much the fear of otherness that is the problem (we can all suffer from it) .It is the willingness to exploit this crude feeling in others.

We saw Trump ,coming out of that bus boasting about grabbing woman because he could .

He was trying to corrupt that man he was with ,or checking out if he was corruptible.

Racism (esp the dog whistle kind) is one of the bows in his armoury . It serves a purpose . Once it no longer serves a purpose he will be a "reformed" or "misunderstood " man in that regard.

Tchaikovsky

StringerBell wrote: »

It's amazing that these considerations never came up for John McCain, or Ted Cruz, what's different about them and Harris/Obama I wonder

Well Ted Cruz wasn't born in the US.

Igotadose

Grifters gotta grift. Apparently Jared Kushner, human empty suit, calls Kanye West nearly daily. If he's coordinating campaigns, that's illegal.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2020/08/12/inside-kanye-wests-almost-daily-chats-with-jared-kushner-and-whether-the-white-house-exploits-his-mental-state/#6e8c19d53e16

Carfacemandog

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Well Ted Cruz wasn't born in the US.

John McCain either (Panama) though he was born in a US military station which they count as same.

Cruz on the other hand as you said was born in Canada, and not in a military station or anything of the sort. He also had never denied this, stating that as his mom was a US born citizen that counted as the same.

The fact that this hardly got much mention among Republicans while they obsessed over Obama seemingly not being eligible despite his mom being a born citizen from Kansas (and him being too, though they wouldn't believe it because he's black) says all it needs to.

Igotadose

Carfacemandog wrote: »

John McCain either (Panama) though he was born in a US military station which they count as same.

Cruz on the other hand as you said was born in Canada, and not in a military station or anything of the sort. He also had never denied this, stating that as his mom was a US born citizen that counted as the same.

The fact that this hardly got much mention among Republicans while they obsessed over Obama seemingly not being eligible despite his mom being a born citizen from Kansas (and him being too, though they wouldn't believe it because he's black) says all it needs to.

And he was born in Hawaii, too.

StringerBell

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Well Ted Cruz wasn't born in the US.

Neither was John McCain, maybe I didn't make my point properly.

McCain and Cruz never had this birther crap thrown at them whereas Obama and Harris do, for their skin colour.

ELM327

StringerBell wrote: »

Neither was John McCain, maybe I didn't make my point properly.

McCain and Cruz never had this birther crap thrown at them whereas Obama and Harris do, for their skin colour.

Cruz did.
Trump kept on him in the debates telling him to get a judge to confirm he could run.
Your fake racism is showing.

Penn

ELM327 wrote: »

Cruz did.
Trump kept on him in the debates telling him to get a judge to confirm he could run.
Your fake racism is showing.

Cruz wasn't born in the USA.

Harris and Obama were.

That's the difference.

Igotadose

Penn wrote: »

Cruz wasn't born in the USA.

Harris and Obama were.

That's the difference.

Cruz has that suspicious hispanic surname, too.. Oohers.