Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

looksee

If he cleared the way for drilling to commence, what is to stop the next administration (Biden) from reversing that decision? Surely an investor would not be willing to spend money on starting to set up drilling at this stage? Can Trump future-proof that kind of legislation?

Presumably its just a throw-out to make the right noises to conservatives?

Quin_Dub

looksee wrote: »

If he cleared the way for drilling to commence, what is to stop the next administration (Biden) from reversing that decision? Surely an investor would not be willing to spend money on starting to set up drilling at this stage? Can Trump future-proof that kind of legislation?

Presumably its just a throw-out to make the right noises to conservatives?

Hard to know - If he gave out a licence and then Biden revoked it , I guess said company could sue the US Government for acting in bad faith and probably win as to be fair , they are entering into an agreement with the US government , not Trump so him leaving isn't grounds for pulling a possible licence alone.

From a legal standpoint hard for the Government to say something like "We ignored all the Environmental impact data before , but we're listening to it now.

Igotadose

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Hard to know - If he gave out a licence and then Biden revoked it , I guess said company could sue the US Government for acting in bad faith and probably win as to be fair , they are entering into an agreement with the US government , not Trump so him leaving isn't grounds for pulling a possible licence alone.

From a legal standpoint hard for the Government to say something like "We ignored all the Environmental impact data before , but we're listening to it now.

This is why there's rule of law in the US. Someone comes along and sues after Biden's elected, gets a restraining order and then the courts...get....around to reviewing the latest lawsuit. Further, the granting of the license could be sued as well (likely will be, not resolved prior to the election but afterwards.)

Devil's always in the details here and we lay-folk probably can't get ahold of them.

looksee

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/postal-service-trump-absentee-ballot-request-mail-usps/index.html

By our standards this is impossible to believe - the Trump campaign sending out applications for mail in ballots with his name and slogans all over them, at so many levels it is hard to imagine anything approaching this level of corruption going on this side of the world.

aloyisious

looksee wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/postal-service-trump-absentee-ballot-request-mail-usps/index.html

By our standards this is impossible to believe - the Trump campaign sending out applications for mail in ballots with his name and slogans all over them, at so many levels it is hard to imagine anything approaching this level of corruption going on this side of the world.

Are there not laws restricting who may issue them to voters?

extra gravy

He's in Minnesota now just miles away from where George Floyd was killed: "You have very good police, but they're told not to do anything. It's not the police. Your police are great, but it's that they weren't allowed to do what they're supposed to."

Is he trying to start another riot?

jamule

extra gravy wrote: »

He's in Minnesota now just miles away from where George Floyd was killed: "You have very good police, but they're told not to do anything. It's not the police. Your police are great, but it's that they weren't allowed to do what they're supposed to."

Is he trying to start another riot?

what words, amazing, what an orator, he really is the best EVER

thats the actual words of the greatits ever leader of the USA.

ExMachina1000

Everyone and everything has been against Trump from the start.
A once in a lifetime pandemic , Blm movement along with nationwide protesting and rioting in some then his brother dies during the re election campaign which he is losing .

Economically the country was booming but socially it fell apart. He picked a side inside of being president to all.

Divisive and greedy

extra gravy

jamule wrote: »

what words, amazing, what an orator, he really is the best EVER

thats the actual words of the greatits ever leader of the USA.

Here's another snippet:

Trump mentions Ilhan Omar's name, prompting the crowd to boo. Trump then asks his crowd in Mankato, "how the hell did she win the primary? ... she's a horrible woman who hates our country ... let's check the mail-in vote." https://t.co/K46slUu2jE

SNIP. No insults please.

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Everyone and everything has been against Trump from the start.
A once in a lifetime pandemic , Blm movement along with nationwide protesting and rioting in some then his brother dies during the re election campaign which he is losing .

Economically the country was booming but socially it fell apart. He picked a side inside of being president to all.

Divisive and greedy

Most of the things that were "against" him a capable leader would have been able to deal with. The pandemic he could have worked to his advantage, a president in a crisis tends to poll well if they provide competent leadership.

ExMachina1000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Most of the things that were "against" him a capable leader would have been able to deal with. The pandemic he could have worked to his advantage, a president in a crisis tends to poll well if they provide competent leadership.

They still happened to him.

That's my point

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

They still happened to him.

That's my point

"Leadership: whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."

Leroy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Everyone and everything has been against Trump from the start.
A once in a lifetime pandemic , Blm movement along with nationwide protesting and rioting in some then his brother dies during the re election campaign which he is losing .

Economically the country was booming but socially it fell apart. He picked a side inside of being president to all.

Divisive and greedy

Rubbish. He inherited a great economy. Had all three parts of the executive, has been given a free pass by the media who are more interested in his latest tweet that the myriad of corruption and illegal activities.

He was allowed give out the largest tax cut in history, without any plan of how to pay for it.

Hw has avoided any major attacks on America, or their allies.

It basically had one issue, Covid. An issue that the vast majority of political leaders across the world have handled in a way that people appreciate their efforts. But he failed miserably.

BLM, or similar, has happened in the past and required nothing more than empathy, understanding and leadership. Unfortunately, Trump has none of these.

Trump is possibly one of the luckiest politicians in history. Many other politicians has been discarded for far less than Trump.

GWB will forever be remembered for his cack handed handling of the floods in New Orleans, and rightly so.

Trump has 170k, and rapidly increasing, dead Americans on his watch because of his inability to show even a hint of leadership.

jamule

Leroy42 wrote: »

Rubbish. He inherited a great economy. Had all three parts of the executive, has been given a free pass by the media who are more interested in his latest tweet that the myriad of corruption and illegal activities.

He was allowed give out the largest tax cut in history, without any plan of how to pay for it.

Hw has avoided any major attacks on America, or their allies.

It basically had one issue, Covid. An issue that the vast majority of political leaders across the world have handled in a way that people appreciate their efforts. But he failed miserably.

BLM, or similar, has happened in the past and required nothing more than empathy, understanding and leadership. Unfortunately, Trump has none of these.

Trump is possibly one of the luckiest politicians in history. Many other politicians has been discarded for far less than Trump.

GWB will forever be remembered for his cack handed handling of the floods in New Orleans, and rightly so.

Trump has 170k, and rapidly increasing, dead Americans on his watch because of his inability to show even a hint of leadership.

The BLM issue has indeed hapoened over and over again, most have been dealt with and forgotton but no one ever has solved the real problems.
The last POTUS to make a bollix of it was George Snr. Of course he had by a lovely man as AG. God sent him.

StringerBell

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

They still happened to him.

That's my point

He's had a very easy run up to the point where he ran into a crisis that could not be batted away with stupid rhetoric or a tax cut to juice the economy (for someone else to fix)

Everything was against him from the start is just a tad hysterical no?

He inherited a booming economy, he controlled both houses of Congress (that he could get nothing done but a tax break for the rich speaks volumes)

He has faced his first crisis, and be has failed miserably, which is no surprise.

marno21

Trump did not cause the covid-19 pandemic. But Trump did ignore intelligence briefings on the issue which were given to him many months before this became an issue in the US.

Had Trump, a coherent UK and other G7 countries been on top of this from November when this was known to US intelligence agencies it might have been contained.

Instead we are living with the ramifications of electing an imbecile who fills his cabinet with other imbeciles and tries to destroy the agencies which keep the country safe and functional

If Biden is elected and the world regains some sort of sanity (including the UK, Brazil and other countries), maybe we have a chance of avoiding a covid-24 pandemic. If we can restore some sort of leadership we might be able to sort out our own affairs when someone in China inevitably contracts SARS-CoV-3 from some other sort of wet market.

The pandemic is the first crisis he has faced where denial could not result in an exit from the crisis. It didn't stop him from trying though.

ArmaniJeanss

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

They still happened to him.

That's my point

Covid didn't have to be a negative for him though. PMs in other countries have seen their approval numbers be stable or even increase during the pandemic.

In ways it was open goal for him, in the early days there was a window for an absolutely fantastic speech that could have brought the nation together behind him. There's probably plenty here who could write it with lots of 'from Alaska to Florida, from California to Maine, black, white, rich, poor, the politic divide no longer matters, standing together, every resource, we won't rest, doing your duty, doing my duty, we will prevail, God bless America'. He could have had his Gettysburg moment.

But he chose a different path.

Water John

Every leader gets the '3 am call', some get many. Trump and the US was lucky he didn't get one for three years. When it came, he was found wanting in the most grevious way.

Just hear Birx has broke ranks and regrets that the US didn't go into full lockdown.

gmisk

His response to his brother passing away....as self serving and narcissistic as you would expect.
https://twitter.com/LEBassett/status/1295368853782966272?s=09

extra gravy

gmisk wrote: »

His response to his brother passing away....as self serving and narcissistic as you would expect.
https://twitter.com/LEBassett/status/1295368853782966272?s=09

The great orator in action again, it's like a stream of consciousness from a drunk.

aloyisious

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

They still happened to him.

That's my point

To me it sound's like you've penned a dirge for all those staffers who came om board the Admin at different levels [like Dr Birx - who incidentally tonight seems to have walked down the gangway to the quayside from SS Trump] to help him and were in turn burnt out in their efforts to help him, finding out in the end they wasted their time, efforts and expertise, as he's totally useless as a CEO of any business, let alone a great nation. What happened didn't happen to him, it happened to the U.S.

Tell me how

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Everyone and everything has been against Trump from the start.
A once in a lifetime pandemic , Blm movement along with nationwide protesting and rioting in some then his brother dies during the re election campaign which he is losing .

Economically the country was booming but socially it fell apart. He picked a side inside of being president to all.

Divisive and greedy

His pulling out of the Paris Accord, his pulling out of the Iran Nuclear deal, his actions leading to his impeachment, his giving Saudia Arabia a pass on the murder of a US citizen, his letting Kim Jong-Un wrap him around his finger, his support for white supremacists all happened in the first 3.5 years of his Presidency.

He went golfing while his brother lay dying in hospital, I think using that as an excuse as to how tough his is on him can be taken off the table.

Cookie_Monster

So he doesn't want the US to be like NZ with its "surge" of 58 cases.
No, far better to be ticking over at a couple of thousand a day, hundreds of deaths, no restrictions to prevent spread, no border quarantine and no hope of getting it under control.

And all of NZs are fully managed in isolation or hospital...

Water John

Trump says 'the only way he can lose the election is, if the election is rigged'.

Carfacemandog

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/miles-taylor-video-donald-trump-dhs-biden-2020-election-border-a9675001.html


There are no words, Trump is just pure evil.

Like clockwork on this particular matter we will have:

1. Trump supporters claiming this was Obama's doing, despite it being pointed out to them that child separation was explicitly Trumps baby many, many times before (what's it called when you keep saying something you know isn't true?).

2. Those same people being corrected for the umpteenth time on the matter.

3. Trump supporters then claiming it is the parents fault and that Trump has no blame whatsoever on any of this.

Why? Because it's a cult. A child abuse cult, and as covid/lockdown/mask denial has shown, a death cult. They positively get off on this, dead children and all. If they didn't, they wouldn't repeatedly throw around the same lies and cheer so wildly about Trumps "tough on immigration policies" of which this is one.

Itssoeasy

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/miles-taylor-video-donald-trump-dhs-biden-2020-election-border-a9675001.html





There are no words, Trump is just pure evil.

There are words it's just if you said them on boards then the mods of this forum would probably have a stern word with you because even though they are sound that would be too far. I've many times kept posts brief because if I wrote what I really felt in regards to Donald trump I'd have gotten cards and warnings and rightly so.

namloc1980

Water John wrote: »

Trump says 'the only way he can lose the election is, if the election is rigged'.

How can it be normal for the President of the United States to come out with this. Crazy.

Billy Mays

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Like clockwork on this particular matter we will have:

1. Trump supporters claiming this was Obama's doing, despite it being pointed out to them that child separation was explicitly Trumps baby many, many times before (what's it called when you keep saying something you know isn't true?).

2. Those same people being corrected for the umpteenth time on the matter.

3. Trump supporters then claiming it is the parents fault and that Trump has no blame whatsoever on any of this.

Why? Because it's a cult. A child abuse cult, and as covid/lockdown/mask denial has shown, a death cult. They positively get off on this, dead children and all. If they didn't, they wouldn't repeatedly throw around the same lies and cheer so wildly about Trumps "tough on immigration policies" of which this is one.

While repeating the mantra All Lives Matter

Stallingrad

I'm planning my post election survival strategy if Trump wins. This is not a joke.

Delete Twitter and the BBC news app.
Unfollow this thread.
Tune back in 2024 to see if the anything is left of the US.

ELM327

Stallingrad wrote: »

I'm planning my post election survival strategy if Trump wins. This is not a joke.

Delete Twitter and the BBC news app.
Unfollow this thread.
Tune back in 2024 to see if the anything is left of the US.

Like all the morons who stated they'd leave the US if Trump won, only to not leave?