Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Caegan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The United states has been talking about buying Greenland since 1867

"Since 1867, the United States has considered, or made, several proposals to purchase the island of Greenland from Denmark, as it did with the Danish West Indies in 1917. While Greenland remains an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark, a 1951 treaty gives the United States much control over an island it once partially claimed from exploration"

It wasn't Trumps idea.

Might not have been his idea, doubt he's ever had an original thought.

It was his idea to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland. Now from what we know of him, why would he want to do that.

Brian?

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The United states has been talking about buying Greenland since 1867

"Since 1867, the United States has considered, or made, several proposals to purchase the island of Greenland from Denmark, as it did with the Danish West Indies in 1917. While Greenland remains an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark, a 1951 treaty gives the United States much control over an island it once partially claimed from exploration"

It wasn't Trumps idea.

They haven't been talking about it since 1867. They periodically made enquiries about buying it.

The big difference was that in the past Denmark was in the position to sell it. It's now an independent country that has the right to determine it's own future. Trump didn't know that, he should have.

Even worse, he threw a hissy fit and cancelled a state visit to Denmark when the Danish prime minister pointed this out to him.

moon2

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The United states has been talking about buying Greenland since 1867

"Since 1867, the United States has considered, or made, several proposals to purchase the island of Greenland from Denmark, as it did with the Danish West Indies in 1917. While Greenland remains an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark, a 1951 treaty gives the United States much control over an island it once partially claimed from exploration"

It wasn't Trumps idea.

Mostly false.

The US has not been trying to buy Greenland for over 100 years.

One offer to purchase Greenland was made in 1946 and that was rejected. No proposal or consideration has been made since then.

Prior to that there were two proposals private to the US government which explored this option. They did not result in any public action such as tendering an offer.

I don't understand how a reasoned proposal made in 1946 has any bearing on the nonsense spouted by Trump in 2019.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland

ancapailldorcha

Post deleted. Cut out the name calling please.

dogbert27

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The United states has been talking about buying Greenland since 1867

"Since 1867, the United States has considered, or made, several proposals to purchase the island of Greenland from Denmark, as it did with the Danish West Indies in 1917. While Greenland remains an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark, a 1951 treaty gives the United States much control over an island it once partially claimed from exploration"

It wasn't Trumps idea.

Selling the Danish West Indies is still a sore point with some Danes.

Carfacemandog

aloyisious wrote: »

So he can't really step in to defend the reputation of this wall building [whatever about thinking/responding to the federal arrest/charges against Bannon & Co by using his presidential pardon powers] whilst taking a swipe at SDNY again.

As best I know as the arrest and case is with SDNY, there's not a thing Trump can do as it would be a state charge and nto federal.

This would appear to be the answer to why Berman got fired/not fired. By Barr/not Barr and Trump/not Trump recently.

jamule

Carfacemandog wrote: »

As best I know as the arrest and case is with SDNY, there's not a thing Trump can do as it would be a state charge and nto federal.

This would appear to be the answer to why Berman got fired/not fired. By Barr/not Barr and Trump/not Trump recently.

He was arrested on a yacht owned by a chinese millionaire. see they are not racialist at all and really do love the chinese

TomOnBoard

Carfacemandog wrote: »

As best I know as the arrest and case is with SDNY, there's not a thing Trump can do as it would be a state charge and nto federal.

This would appear to be the answer to why Berman got fired/not fired. By Barr/not Barr and Trump/not Trump recently.

The Bannon arrest is Federal, not State.

I see a few outcomes here:

1. Bannon goes to trial and is found Not Guilty by a jury... Not likely, as they seem to have documentary proof.
2. 1 above and he's found Guilty. Sentenced to between 5 and 20 years...
3. Flips to SDNY and cops a plea of reduced time. He would need to give SDNY everything in furtherance of prosecuting others and it would need to be really good stuff for SDNY to bite. I'll leave that one to your own imagination(s)..
4. Trump issues a Pardon BEFORE the trial, as the actual trial is not likely to happen before January 2021. Not likely, but possible..

My money is on 3...

BTW, a delicious irony is the fact that he was arrested by Postal Inspectors....

Timberrrrrrrr

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The Bannon arrest is Federal, not State.

I see a few outcomes here:

1. Bannon goes to trial and is found Not Guilty by a jury... Not likely, as they seem to have documentary proof.
2. 1 above and he's found Guilty. Sentenced to between 5 and 20 years...
3. Flips to SDNY and cops a plea of reduced time. He would need to give SDNY everything in furtherance of prosecuting others and it would need to be really good stuff for SDNY to bite. I'll leave that one to your own imagination(s)..
4. Trump issues a Pardon BEFORE the trial, as the actual trial is not likely to happen before January 2021. Not likely, but possible..

My money is on 3...

Can someone be pardoned for a crime.they haven't been convicted of?

If This is possible and Trump loses the election and is out in Feb can he still be charged and tried?

Could Biden overturn a pardon for a crime that he hasn't yet been convicted of?

How would a pardon go? "Pardoned for all crimes convicted/to be convicted of? This would give him a free rein to commit any crime in the future while having the comfort of a presidential pardon.

Sorry if that is a bit rambling.

Water John

Barr was briefed on the case a few months ago, but did not intervene.

TomOnBoard

Can someone be pardoned for a crime.they haven't been convicted of?

Yes- see Gerald Ford pardon of Nixon

If This is possible and Trump loses the election and is out in Feb can he still be charged and tried?

If pardoned, no; if not pardoned, yes.

Could Biden overturn a pardon for a crime that he hasn't yet been convicted of?
No

How would a pardon go? "Pardoned for all crimes convicted/to be convicted of? This would give him a free rein to commit any crime in the future while having the comfort of a presidential pardon.I
The pardon would only apply to crimes committed before the pardon issued.. I

If you believe popular fiction, Presidents issue such pardons all the time after counter-intelligence actions/extra-judicial murders that are 'off the books'... But that's just fiction.... Ahem!

Quin_Dub

jamule wrote: »

He was arrested on a yacht owned by a chinese millionaire. see they are not racialist at all and really do love the chinese

And the guy that owns the boat is under investigation for his own alleged Fraud

Last month, investigators with the Mercer Island Police Department in Washington state took an incident report from an unidentified victim who had become an investor in GTV Media Group Inc., with the promise it was launching a video-sharing platform, similar to YouTube, "that was supposed to go huge," according to an official familiar with the matter. The investor wired $500,000 to receive shares in the company by the end of May, but never received shares and wasn't able to get in contact with the reported suspect, the report stated. As of July 10, local authorities noted that no crime had been charged, and the FBI was investigating the matter.

The Mercer Island PD incident report identified the suspect as Guo Wengui, describing him as a "billionaire" based out of New York, and noted there were other victims. When Mercer Island police contacted the FBI, local investigators learned that Wengui appeared "to be a target of a large investigation personally and pertaining to his business," according to an official familiar with the matter.

TomOnBoard

Water John wrote: »

Barr was briefed on the case a few months ago, but did not intervene.

Mmmm! I think Billy B TRIED to intervene in this and possibly other cases when he tried to replace Berman in SDNY with a stooge.

TomOnBoard

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And the guy that owns the boat is under investigation for his own alleged Fraud

What's that old saying about Birds of a Feather......?

But, good old Donnie only surrounds himself with 'The Best People'.... Yeah, Right!!!!!!!

aloyisious

Carfacemandog wrote: »

As best I know as the arrest and case is with SDNY, there's not a thing Trump can do as it would be a state charge and nto federal.

This would appear to be the answer to why Berman got fired/not fired. By Barr/not Barr and Trump/not Trump recently.

The position of SDNY DA appointing seems to be complicated.

Para's after paragraph 3 in the following link [if it's a true and correct item]. Berman says that he's not going anywhere. Here's his position. He was named to the US Attorney position by then-AG Sessions in January 2018, to succeed Preet Bharara (whom Trump had just fired). For some reason, though, Berman's name was never formally put forward for required Senate confirmation. So in April 2018 the federal district court judges voted unanimously to appoint him to the job.

https://reason.com/2020/06/20/who-can-fire-the-us-attorney-for-the-southern-district-of-new-york/

However, in terms of the bigger picture, this doesn't matter too much now. What matters partway is that Trump had to accept the fait accompli of Berman naming his own successor who took over his mantle and caseload. I don't know if she has been through the senate appointment route yet.

TomOnBoard

aloyisious wrote: »

The position of SDNY DA appointing seems to be complicated.

Para's after paragraph 3 in the following link [if it's a true and correct item]. Berman says that he's not going anywhere. Here's his position. He was named to the US Attorney position by then-AG Sessions in January 2018, to succeed Preet Bharara (whom Trump had just fired). For some reason, though, Berman's name was never formally put forward for required Senate confirmation. So in April 2018 the federal district court judges voted unanimously to appoint him to the job.

https://reason.com/2020/06/20/who-can-fire-the-us-attorney-for-the-southern-district-of-new-york/

However, in terms of the bigger picture, this doesn't matter too much now. What matters partway is that Trump had to accept the fait accompli of Berman naming his own successor who took over his mantle and caseload. I don't know if she has been through the senate appointment route yet.

I thought that whole SDNY attorney thing was dealt with in June when Berman resigned after insisting that Billy Barr appointed Audrey Strauss as temp US Attorney. She handled the Ghislaine Maxwell arrest announcement, as well as today's Bannon scam arrest. Hopefully there are many other investigations ongoing including the Rudi Giuliani one.... We continue to live in hope...

TomOnBoard

Can anyone explain to me how disgustingly amoral and warped a person has to be to use his own brother's death as an excuse for a self-serving P.R. stunt???

WTF public service does holding a memorial for his brother at the White House perform? Why should taxpayers be paying for this stunt? What has Robert Trump EVER done for the people of the USA to merit a memorial service in The Peoples' House??

Igotadose

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me how disgustingly amoral and warped a person has to be to use his own brother's death as an excuse for a self-serving P.R. stunt???

WTF public service does holding a memorial for his brother at the White House perform? Why should taxpayers be paying for this stunt? What has Robert Trump EVER done for the people of the USA to merit a memorial service in The Peoples' House??

It's the #IMPOTUS's house, didn't you get the memo?

This is a pretty bad idea for the reasons you state.

TomOnBoard

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

That is especially galling in light of how he treated "gold star" families and veterans in general.

Yeah, made even more outrageous by having another draft dodger in the Trump family being honoured by a draft dodging President in The People's House!

ancapailldorcha

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Stallingrad

How do Trump supporters stay on board with their man? It must be exhausting to keep spinning it in their head that 'he is their guy'.

He is surrounded by criminality and incompetence. How many scandals did we have under 8 years of Obama again?

Steve Bannon, charges that he ripped off donors to an online fundraising scheme
Roger Stone, a longtime Trump adviser and confidant, has been convinced on multiple counts.
Michael Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and business associate, is in prison.
Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, is in prison.
Rick Gates, Trump’s former campaign vice chairman, has been convicted and is awaiting sentencing.
Michael Flynn, Trump’s former White House national security advisor, has been convicted and is awaiting sentencing.
George Papadopoulos, Trump’s former campaign advisor on foreign policy, has already served his prison sentence.
Alex van der Zwaan, a lawyer who worked with Manafort and Gates. has already served his prison sentence.

Leroy42

It is easy enough. Simply claim that all of them were mere targets of the deep state, falsely targetted and convicted by a Democratic controlled FBI, CIA and Justice system, aided and abetted by a corrput and lying Fake News MSM.

That only because Trump is so good and so much better that he has managed to survive this long despite the constant attacks and unfounded allegations. That the only reason that the wall isn't built, the healthcare R&R never materialised, the Tax Cuts didn't lead to historic growth, that coal jobs haven't returned, all of this is because the DNC are using their control of the Deep State to stop all of this just to stop Trump.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

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briany

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is easy enough. Simply claim that all of them were mere targets of the deep state, falsely targetted and convicted by a Democratic controlled FBI, CIA and Justice system, aided and abetted by a corrput and lying Fake News MSM.

That only because Trump is so good and so much better that he has managed to survive this long despite the constant attacks and unfounded allegations. That the only reason that the wall isn't built, the healthcare R&R never materialised, the Tax Cuts didn't lead to historic growth, that coal jobs haven't returned, all of this is because the DNC are using their control of the Deep State to stop all of this just to stop Trump.

The Trumpist Republicans probably see the impeachment trial and supreme court rulings as no different from how the Democrats saw the filibustering that Republicans used to block acts from being passed during Obama's time. To them, it's just cynical politics, attempting to stifle their agenda. No validity to it at all, in their eyes.

aloyisious

Looking at the legal situation Bannon is in, IF HE'S FISHING FOR A PARDON and if Trump gives him a pardon, it seems to me that the others involved in the alleged fraud would also have to be given the same pardon seeing as how Don Jnr is reported to have been in contact with Bannon in connection with the wall/fence-building enterprise the firm was set up to construct. I cant see the other three alleged fraudsters being cut out of any contact loop between Bannon and Don Jnr, or having no knowledge of anything that passed between the pair. It may not be possible to grant a pardon to the Chinese national involved, due to his nationality. One thing for sure now is that he won't be got rid of by the simple extraditing of him to China [which would dearly love to get their hands on him in connection with alleged fraud there] as Pompeo cancelled the extradition deal between China and the US as a response to the law China enacted over Hong Kong. The man has reportedly claimed that China covered up the number of it's dead from Covid-19 by cremating hundreds of thousands of the dead.

Its acceptable to assume that both Don Jnr and Don Snr have regular contact on matters of interest to both, as defined by the Air Force One affair where Don Snr denied being aware of something Don Jnr did, then went on later to confirm that he did know and that he was responsible for what Don Jnr was taken to have done from the start.

Itssoeasy

So Donald Trump is claiming that the FDA is deliberately delaying trials for the corona virus vaccine until after the election due to the deep state.

He also in audio obtained by politico from after he won but before the inauguration in a meeting at trump tower he said the low black turnout in 2016 was “great.”

Capt'n Midnight

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So Donald Trump is claiming that the FDA is deliberately delaying trials for the corona virus vaccine until after the election due to the deep state

Would this be the same all powerful FDA that the Trump Administration has removed the requirement for them to do a premarket review of laboratory developed tests ?

TomOnBoard

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Would this be the same all powerful FDA that the Trump Administration has removed the requirement for them to do a premarket review of laboratory developed tests ?

Yeah, amazing similarities to Putin's Russian vaccine (Sputnik V) trials. The Russians are aiming for 40,000 vaccine doses to be tested abroad including 2,000 in Mexico. There'll be no vaccine related deaths on his hands in Russia- just poor and destitute Third World folks who have no kidneys or blood left to sell in order to survive ....

Trump however would be quite happy for people in US to be the guinea pigs as soon as his drug company buddies say they're ready! But how dare the FDA be involved? (More pesky regulations!!!) Like, the FDA is only the organisation whose role is to ensure another Thalidomide debacle doesn't ensue. Why would it need to involve itself in making sure the vaccines are safe for the US poor and destitute who will be trying to make a few bucks!! Just make sure they're Biden voters Donnie! That'll be 2 birds with the one stone!

Edit: Actually, I've changed my mind.. Trump is right! And just to prove how right he is, the vaccine should be given to every convention attendee named Trump next week!

FrostyJack

So Mary Trump has released audio of Donald's sister critising him. Not a game changer but another nail in the coffin and gives some weight to Mary's book. Can add Maryanne to the long list of people who stood by and did nothing knowing how awful he is.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/22/politics/maryanne-trump-barry-donald-trump-mary-trump/index.html

TomOnBoard

FrostyJack wrote: »

So Mary Trump has released audio of Donald's sister critising him. Not a game changer but another nail in the coffin and gives some weight to Mary's book. Can add Maryanne to the long list of people who stood by and did nothing knowing how awful he is.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/22/politics/maryanne-trump-barry-donald-trump-mary-trump/index.html

She did do something.. She spoke with Mary.. what else would you expect her to do?

That said, I don't see Mary being invited to many parties in Trump land in the future. Donnie's claims that someone was spying on him is proving somewhat correct in an unexpected way... He blamed Obama for phone tapping... In fact the one doing the 'tapping' may well have been his own niece upon his own sister. .. The term 'secret recording' is being bandied about regarding Mary's recording of the Aunt, but if Mary Anne didn't know/give permission, AND it was done in a 2-party State, a Statute may have been broken.

Let Billy Barr go off and investigate that! It might keep him away from the big people while they get on with ensuring a fair election.

As to MaryAnne's comments, who knew??