Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Irish_peppa

I see Mary Trumps book Too Much and Never Enough : Full Audiobook by Mary L. Trump PhD is up for free on Youtube. Weird, that it has not been struck for copyright. Or that her publishers have not noticed or got word. Its been watched nearly 40,000 times surely thats a lot of book sales missing Sure youtube are pretty quick pulling down copyright material

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dxj-Wj2atU

FrostyJack

TomOnBoard wrote: »

She did do something.. She spoke with Mary.. what else would you expect her to do?

That said, I don't see Mary being invited to many parties in Trump land in the future. Donnie's claims that someone was spying on him is proving somewhat correct in an unexpected way... He blamed Obama for phone tapping... In fact the one doing the 'tapping' may well have been his own niece upon his own sister. .. The term 'secret recording' is being bandied about regarding Mary's recording of the Aunt, but if Mary Anne didn't know/give permission, AND it was done in a 2-party State, a Statute may have been broken.

Let Billy Barr go off and investigate that! It might keep him away from the big people while they get on with ensuring a fair election.

As to MaryAnne's comments, who knew??

Mary stated in her book that if Maryanne, a federal judge, had of come out and said how awful he was it might have been enough to get Clinton over the line. Obviously we know now nothing will have an effect on his base, there was a chance in 2016 for reason to shine through.

Donald and his siblings did her and her brother out of millions of dollars and threatened to withhold health care from his son, I doubt she would want to be in any parties with them.

In the State of New York you only need one persons permission to record a conversation, Mary gave that permission.

TomOnBoard

Ah now! In what universe could anyone expect a sister to come out against her brother and endorse an opposing candidate. I don't buy that argument at all..

Do you/we know where the recordings were made? I don't. That's why I made the point, albeit with my tongue well in my cheek. If in New York or New Jersey, yes they're 'single -party'. But, if in say California or Florida or Connecticut, both parties would need to consent.

TomOnBoard

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I see Mary Trumps book Too Much and Never Enough : Full Audiobook by Mary L. Trump PhD is up for free on Youtube. Weird, that it has not been struck for copyright. Or that her publishers have not noticed or got word. Its been watched nearly 40,000 times surely thats a lot of book sales missing Sure youtube are pretty quick pulling down copyright material

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dxj-Wj2atU

Its a good listen.. made more so because Mary herself is reading it..

FrostyJack

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Ah now! In what universe could anyone expect a sister to come out against her brother and endorse an opposing candidate. I don't buy that argument at all..

Do you/we know where the recordings were made? I don't. That's why I made the point, albeit with my tongue well in my cheek. If in New York or New Jersey, yes they're 'single -party'. But, if in say California or Florida or Connecticut, both parties would need to consent.

The same way you would expect someone to report their child if they committed a serious crime. You didn't have to endorse Clinton just say he isn't fit for leader of the free world or leak something like this. Not as if it has done his family name any good been elected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654973/Donald-Trumps-sister-says-no-principles-trust-him.html

Says at bottom that it was New York, well it alludes to it.

TomOnBoard

FrostyJack wrote: »

The same way you would expect someone to report their child if they committed a serious crime. You didn't have to endorse Clinton just say he isn't fit for leader of the free world or leak something like this. Not as if it has done his family name any good been elected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654973/Donald-Trumps-sister-says-no-principles-trust-him.html

Says at bottom that it was New York, well it alludes to it.

I think we'll have to agree to differ on what Mary Anne should have done to stop Trump from becoming POTUS.

As to the 'tapping'/taping, I hadn't known it was taped phone calls. It does look like New York and New Jersey laws would apply and both are 'single-party' states so Mary L is in the clear on that score. Darn! I was hoping Billy Barr would have had something to keep him occupied and out of mischief for the next few months... So, I suppose we'll have to hope Bannon flips and gives SDNY lots of material and Billy will be busy running interference for the Don with that...

Capt'n Midnight

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Ah now! In what universe could anyone expect a sister to come out against her brother and endorse an opposing candidate. I don't buy that argument at all.

Have you meet the Johnsons ?

Rachel Johnson went to the Liberals and then Change UK

Jo Johnson stepped down from a ministerial position and the privy council.

That's not a ringing endorsement for Boris.

Leroy42

But the arguement about why she didn't do it sooner is pointless.

She said it, no one is disputing what she said, and it is not as if there are not plenty of examples to back up her points.

Does anyone really think that had she come out in 2016 it would have made any difference? People would have used the same deflection points they are doing now to dismiss it. So she was perfectly reasonable, particularly given she probably assumed that people would come to the conclusion themselves anyqay, that there was no point destroying the family when even Trump himself didn't see much chance of winning.

But the damn is trullyt starting to break. His numerous close associates that have been charged, and convicted. His 20k+ lies. His corruption, his nepotism, his cruelty to people like McCain.

retalivity

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Have you meet the Johnsons ?

Rachel Johnson went to the Liberals and then Change UK

Jo Johnson stepped down from a ministerial position and the privy council.

That's not a ringing endorsement for Boris.

Boris gave his brother a peerage to get him back onside. Or maybe it was all part of the plan... Rachel though, is definitely the black sheep in that family.

In other news, Trump confirms what stormy daniels said years ago, about how he's terrified of sharks.

I have people calling me up, ‘Sir, we want to have a fund to save the shark, it’s called Save the Shark.’ I say, ‘No thank you, I have other things I can contribute to.’”

I wonder how many people have access to the prez's phone number and ring him for random requests...

salmocab

retalivity wrote: »

Boris gave his brother a peerage to get him back onside. Or maybe it was all part of the plan... Rachel though, is definitely the black sheep in that family.

In other news, Trump confirms what stormy daniels said years ago, about how he's terrified of sharks.



I wonder how many people have access to the prez's phone number and ring him for random requests...

I had a lad I know on a WhatsApp group tell me that the sharks are the clintons in that speech. He then posted some Qanon thing on YouTube. It’s impossible to argue rationally against someone who believes in a conspiracy theory.

FrostyJack

salmocab wrote: »

I had a lad I know on a WhatsApp group tell me that the sharks are the clintons in that speech. He then posted some Qanon thing on YouTube. It’s impossible to argue rationally against someone who believes in a conspiracy theory.

I went onto a few article comment sections about the voice recordings and the utter madness and denial that is out there. I say 50% of them said it was fake, Biden/ Clintons paid an actress to say those things, the other 50% said there are no tapes even though they are linked in said article. Fox News and right wing media have a lot to answer for in America.

briany

FrostyJack wrote: »

I went onto a few article comment sections about the voice recordings and the utter madness and denial that is out there. I say 50% of them said it was fake, Biden/ Clintons paid an actress to say those things, the other 50% said there are no tapes even though they are linked in said article. Fox News and right wing media have a lot to answer for in America.

24 hour news in America is very bad, and worse that it's become so polarised. Networks like Fox News and OANN make no secret of their dislike of Biden and the Democrats, but by the same token CNN and MSNBC make no secret of their dislike of Trump and the Republicans.

The news used to be a man or a woman at a desk giving you a fairly dry report of the day's events. But these news channels give you the day's events and then spend the rest of the time telling you what you should think about it, and that can vary pretty dramatically depending on their broad worldview. It's tantamount to brainwashing. Worse still is that with the rise of social media and the 'news' found there, news channels have had to up the ante to compete.

It's not quite as bad over here - I don't get the same feeling of blatant, screaming bias off of Sky News, though I'm not saying it doesn't exist at all either. For America, however, I don't see how this bitterness and division their news channels have created is going to be stopped or reversed.

Water John

'CNN and MSNBC make no secret of their dislike of Trump and the Republican'.
Quote.
Don't think that is correct. Certainly the dislike Trump because of his incompetence, lies, racism and a lot more. The dislike of the GOP is about their unqualified support of Trump. If the GOP was simply a conservative party it would be respected, whilst probably not actively supported.

FrostyJack

briany wrote: »

24 hour news in America is very bad, and worse that it's become so polarised. Networks like Fox News and OANN make no secret of their dislike of Biden and the Democrats, but by the same token CNN and MSNBC make no secret of their dislike of Trump and the Republicans.

That is a bit of a false equivalence, yes MSNBC and CNN look like they are constantly complaining about Trump and the GOP, but that is mainly because they are constantly doing crazy or nasty stuff. They are corporate media, whatever get the views gets the ad revenue. The same way the Dems are a centre right party but most think of them as far left socialists. During the Obama years you would see them reporting on criticism of him and the Whitehouse and things that happened in the news. Everytime Fox say something negative about Trump it is shocking news here. Of course online you see anti-Trump folks saying he is racist or a criminal but not knowing why when asked, they are just cheering blindly for their football team, they are usually right though or at least in the same reality, the opposite team are in Bizarro World.

briany

FrostyJack wrote: »

That is a bit of a false equivalence, yes MSNBC and CNN look like they are constantly complaining about Trump and the GOP, but that is mainly because they are constantly doing crazy or nasty stuff. They are corporate media, whatever get the views gets the ad revenue. The same way the Dems are a centre right party but most think of them as far left socialists. During the Obama years you would see them reporting on criticism of him and the Whitehouse and things that happened in the news. Everytime Fox say something negative about Trump it is shocking news here. Of course online you see anti-Trump folks saying he is racist or a criminal but not knowing why when asked, they are just cheering blindly for their football team, they are usually right though or at least in the same reality, the opposite team are in Bizarro World.

Yeah, Trump and his party are acting crazy, but taking an openly negative stance against Trump and the GOP because of this is the wrong thing to do. Simply reporting what Trump and the GOP do/say would be enough, but by going in on them, then you simply give Trump ammo to talk about how CNN and MSNBC are just leftist mouthpieces. Getting down into that political mudwrestling arena has no real upside that I can see.

Leroy42

briany wrote: »

Yeah, Trump and his party are acting crazy, but taking an openly negative stance against Trump and the GOP because of this is the wrong thing to do. Simply reporting what Trump and the GOP do/say would be enough, but by going in on them, then you simply give Trump ammo to talk about how CNN and MSNBC are just leftist mouthpieces. Getting down into that political mudwrestling arena has no real upside that I can see.

Should they just report a known lie without comment?

Trump will make ammo from anything. All it needs is to not slavishly agree with him and its fair game

looksee

I think it has gone well beyond the stage of opposition reporting, there is such overwhelming disgust, but moreso fear, that the country is being dragged further into the mire of lies, greed, cronyism and so on that there is panic setting in at the idea that Trump could get another 4 years. The reporting is absolutely desperate to get across how disgraceful and dangerous the man is, in the face of stubborn and stupid refusal to acknowledge that there is anything wrong with him. Democracy and the Rule of Law will not survive another four years.

This is not about Conservatism v Liberalism, its about a corrupt culture of 'look out for me, me, me (and my friends)'; CNN and MSNBC etc would not get nearly so het up about a rational, genuine Conservative/Republican leader - they would criticise and analyse, but in rational arguments, not in the panicked exasperation that is there at the moment.

aloyisious

briany wrote: »

Yeah, Trump and his party are acting crazy, but taking an openly negative stance against Trump and the GOP because of this is the wrong thing to do. Simply reporting what Trump and the GOP do/say would be enough, but by going in on them, then you simply give Trump ammo to talk about how CNN and MSNBC are just leftist mouthpieces. Getting down into that political mudwrestling arena has no real upside that I can see.

I was happy when Fox News was given the heave-ho by Sky, thinking that with CNN there, things would be kept on the straight and narrow. I've seen the CNN's Ads about it's coverage of the GOP convention and think the 2nd Ad is not subtle when it comes to the Elephant passing the comment to the Donkey about not being able to see what planet he came from. The examples set by Aernout van Lynden and Anderson Cooper seem to have faded with so much been reported on from the Situation Room studio having more than a touch of bias akin to the way Fox does it's studio work, only the target is changed.

briany

Leroy42 wrote: »

Should they just report a known lie without comment?

Trump will make ammo from anything. All it needs is to not slavishly agree with him and its fair game

The way for news networks to pass comment and analysis on events, in my opinion, is to invite pundits of contrasting viewpoints onto the program while the anchor themselves moderates the discussion. In this way the network itself can at least appear to remain impartial. This is not a perfect system as you can still raise questions about the fairness of who you have on, but it's still better than the hosts themselves showing their hand and becoming simply a pundit themselves, and once they become such, it's easy for the opposite side to villify them, and the network for which they work, as having an agenda. In the States, it now seems to be the case that almost all major news networks (with maybe the exception of PBS) lean one way or the other and both are preaching to their respective choirs.

banie01

The whole stance of prepping the media for a major Covid therapeutic breakthrough for today's presser only to be a rather pointless announcement of Emergency Use Authorisation for convalescent plasma!

Really!

The treatment has been used thousands of times, it's a well known treatment option.
The EU have invited EU based blood collection and transfusion services to apply for equipment funding to allow a ramping of this particular treatment across Europe.

Don's attempt to present this as a breakthrough?
Is more than a little disingenuous, and I do hope himself and Azar are pulled up on their efforts to present it as such.

banie01

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The efficancy (efficiency)....ffs he can't even pronounce simple words!!

I am both amused and unsurprised at how he has managed to mangle "efficacy" and "efficiency".

No doubt some Trumpist will now add his new portmanteau to dictionary.

Ludo

banie01 wrote: »

I am both amused and unsurprised at how he has managed to mangle "efficacy" and "efficiency".

No doubt some Trumpist will now add his new portmanteau to dictionary.

I'll admit I never heard "efficacy" before all this Covid stuff started. But you know what...I at least now know how to say it and know what it means. Trump doesn't seem to bother with simple things like that. Just carries on in his ignorance and basks in it.

Itssoeasy

So it a therapeutic breakthrough apparently. Except to be a breakthrough it would have to be a first which as others have said Europe have been doing this already. I do find it interesting that this announcement comes soon after trump called the FDA part of the deep state. Also, I find it hilarious that trump and his allies say joe Biden is past it and losing it, when while joe Biden may stumble at times I’ve never heard joe Biden be unable to say a word after several attempts including a world famous national park.

Ha Long Bay

banie01 wrote: »

The whole stance of prepping the media for a major Covid therapeutic breakthrough for today's presser only to be a rather pointless announcement of Emergency Use Authorisation for convalescent plasma!

Really!

The treatment has been used thousands of times, it's a well known treatment option.
The EU have invited EU based blood collection and transfusion services to apply for equipment funding to allow a ramping of this particular treatment across Europe.

Don's attempt to present this as a breakthrough?
Is more than a little disingenuous, and I do hope himself and Azar are pulled up on their efforts to present it as such.

Doesn't take long even here for people to repeat the amazing news.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114402295&postcount=332


https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114402369&postcount=337

banie01

john4321 wrote: »

Doesn't take long even here for people to repeat the amazing news.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114402295&postcount=332


https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114402369&postcount=337

But it's those of us who don't swallow the Kool-aid that are the "sheeple" :eek:

The lack of critical or rational review or response to these events by Trump supporters, and the race to label anyone who raises a concern as Anti-Trump or deep stater is farcical.

The level of anti-science, anti-intellectual and outright demagogue-ic BS that is spouted by even Irish Trumpists is surprising.
Perhaps not so surprising if one considers it as an aspect of populist totalitarianism though.
The "intelligentsia", the educated(not that I am 1) are often early in the queue of those to be sidelined and maligned.

Don't want voices of educated and respected reason objecting to the new nationalism and it's targets.

FrostyJack

briany wrote: »

The way for news networks to pass comment and analysis on events, in my opinion, is to invite pundits of contrasting viewpoints onto the program while the anchor themselves moderates the discussion. In this way the network itself can at least appear to remain impartial. This is not a perfect system as you can still raise questions about the fairness of who you have on, but it's still better than the hosts themselves showing their hand and becoming simply a pundit themselves, and once they become such, it's easy for the opposite side to villify them, and the network for which they work, as having an agenda. In the States, it now seems to be the case that almost all major news networks (with maybe the exception of PBS) lean one way or the other and both are preaching to their respective choirs.

It is this exact format that got Trump elected. Chris Christie or KAC would be on a panel with someone from the Clinton side and both would talk over themselves while the anchor sat there trying to be impartial. The affect of this was it seemed both sides had equal weight and it fit whatever bias you wanted. Say in the ten minute segment someone said Trump was a racist, KAC would say I worked with him everyday and he shows no signs of this, then when the other went to give the examples the segment would end and if you are a Trump supporter, you would think, typical liberal throwing the racism card. Repeat this process every hour for months and you have President Trump. When KAC or Rudy or some other hack says that, the anchor should fact check it or give time to rebutt. The way the short form conversations work who ever gets the zinger wins. If CNN and MSNBC etc didn't just try to be fair more sunlight would have been put on Trump's lies and unfit nature for the job.

aloyisious

banie01 wrote: »

But it's those of us who don't swallow the Kool-aid that are the "sheeple" :eek:

The lack of critical or rational review or response to these events by Trump supporters, and the race to label anyone who raises a concern as Anti-Trump or deep stater is farcical.

The level of anti-science, anti-intellectual and outright demagogue-ic BS that is spouted by even Irish Trumpists is surprising.
Perhaps not so surprising if one considers it as an aspect of populist totalitarianism though.
The "intelligentsia", the educated(not that I am 1) are often early in the queue of those to be sidelined and maligned.

Don't want voices of educated and respected reason objecting to the new nationalism and it's targets.

The fact that Don doesn't have a doctorate or a degree in medicine or medical science doesn't matter a damn as he's the president and to his supporters that's all that matters. Sad to say that may well get him re-elected if he succeeds in leveling the voting field to his satisfaction by disenfranchising as many people he can in any way he can. Tell a lie a thousand times and people will begin to believe it.

check_six

FrostyJack wrote: »

It is this exact format that got Trump elected. Chris Christie or KAC would be on a panel with someone from the Clinton side and both would talk over themselves while the anchor sat there trying to be impartial. The affect of this was it seemed both sides had equal weight and it fit whatever bias you wanted.

Yeah, it's proven impossible to have balanced discussions when one side is acting in bad faith, being disingenuous, or outright lying. You can't balance a pro and con opinion on a topic like, say, injecting yourself with bleach. You can only report what the fellow says and then explain clearly why it is either ridiculous, stupid, a lie, or a ridiculous stupid lie. There is nothing to be achieved by trying to shoehorn in someone who will go out to bat in favour of some patent nonsense just for a false sense of "balance".

TomOnBoard

Ludo wrote: »

Plosma...oh **** off and learn to talk you muppet.

Aaand, fresh from my invention of Plosma to cure Covid, (I really get this science stuff, you know! My uncle invented nukellar.... things.. when he built MIT along with my father when they were 6 or 8....) I'm announcing a whole new class of drugs to fight infections... They're called Anty-Buttocksics...

Pathetic showboating from a moronic carnival barker in a totally failed presidency! I really hope the fact tellers don't let him away with this crap!

Treatment with Convalescent Blood Products, including Plasma, has been around for well over a century.

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/new-life-for-an-old-therapy-convalescent-plasma

ceadaoin.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So it a therapeutic breakthrough apparently. Except to be a breakthrough it would have to be a first which as others have said Europe have been doing this already.

Sure they've been using it here in the US for months now too, not just the EU. So I'm not sure how its a breakthrough treatment either.