Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

FrostyJack

briany wrote: »

Basically what you're saying is that the quality of moderation was poor. The answer to that is not necessarily to become partisan but to learn how to do better moderation.

The format is poor, the moderation can only do so much if you have to squeeze a discussion on health care and Iran policy into a 10 minute window, how can you seriously discuss it, even if both sides act in good faith. As for the control the mic suggestion, the other side will just say they didn't want to hear the truth and was silencing them from the debate. People like KAC and Rudy should not be put on the air after people realise they are compulsive liars and bad faith actors.

Quin_Dub wrote:

Based on her postings on Social Media it certainly seems like she and her parents are clashing in a big way and it's not good to see that play out in public.

My comment was more about what it must be like to be the family of a high profile person today - I would imagine that the kind of crap thrown at family members online must be pretty awful.

The daughter says she was physically abused by them, I can't tell if she is speaking the truth, acting out or has some issues. Living in that house cannot be good for your mental health. People kept saying they are polar opposites, they are both Republicans, he just hates Trump, if Bush was in office he would be acting like Kelly Anne, he obviously has some morals and I love his anti Trump work, but is no saint.

salmocab

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

You know what's more horrifying?

Being separated from your parents by people whose language you do not understand, put in a cage, and then lost in the system.

The media do not focus on Baron because his father keeps them busy every day with truly evil crimes.

The media don’t focus on him because he’s a child and even the American media know it’s not right.

So Trump Jnr at a We Build the Wall event last year....

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/08/24/donald-trump-jr-pictured-we-build-wall-event-neo-nazi-collaborator-jack-posobiec

Timberrrrrrrr

salmocab wrote: »

The media don’t focus on him because he’s a child and even the American media know it’s not right.

They never had an issue talking about the Obama children

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/fox-news-host-confronted-over-slanderous-re/amp

Fox News Host Geraldo Rivera tore into fellow Fox News personality Eric Bolling Monday over Bolling's recent "slanderous" comments about whether the post-Benghazi investigations would be different if first daughters Sasha and Malia Obama had been killed in the attack.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/every-way-fox-news-treats-donald-trump-differently-than-barack-obama.html/

Fox News hosts like Hannity were very critical of Obama’s daughters. Case in point: Hannity bashed Malia and Sasha for taking spring break vacations. 

salmocab

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They never had an issue talking about the Obama children

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/fox-news-host-confronted-over-slanderous-re/amp



https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/every-way-fox-news-treats-donald-trump-differently-than-barack-obama.html/

Well fair enough but fox is a toxic organisation. In the main though if kids are kept out of the spotlight then the media leave them alone.

TomOnBoard

FrostyJack wrote: »

The daughter says she was physically abused by them

I dont think she does...

In a tweet from yesterday, she says "i’m not getting emancipated because of my mom’s job.. it is because of years of childhood trauma and abuse".

To me, this whole situation has all the appearance of a young lady growing up who is in the throes of an adolescent crisis. I hold no water for KAC but I wouldn't wish this kind of teenage angst on any child, nor the resulting conflict on any parent. It's all not helped by lives being lived in public light and family communications taking place on social media.

briany

FrostyJack wrote: »

The format is poor, the moderation can only do so much if you have to squeeze a discussion on health care and Iran policy into a 10 minute window, how can you seriously discuss it, even if both sides act in good faith. As for the control the mic suggestion, the other side will just say they didn't want to hear the truth and was silencing them from the debate. People like KAC and Rudy should not be put on the air after people realise they are compulsive liars and bad faith actors.

If you don't put them on the air, they can just as easily claim they're being silenced. If you take a Trump advocate and put them on the air with a capable host, then if the audience comes away from that believing any old cr*p the Trumpist is saying, then that's more of an issue with the audience's education level. There's only so much a news network can do with that. Going with an open anti-Trump platform will certainly play well with those who are anti-Trump, but completely loses those who were perhaps leaning Trump, but saw one of his advocates get beaten in a debate, and thus it furthers the near total polarisation of American news media. Not really a good thing.

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1297934406200561669?s=19

Those good old conservative "values" on show again

Water John

Falwell has just resigned as Head of Liberty University. Great opening day of GOP Convention, KAC going and this. Could the show be called, Dysfunctional Families.

gmisk

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1297934406200561669?s=19

Those good old conservative "values" on show again

Hilarious.
I remember the stories about some pictures being surpressed as well as a personal trainer who got a load of property...always dodgy af

Capt'n Midnight

Lots of Trump and of 'influencers' on the list of speakers.
They can't really block the VP or Senate Leader but there's no rising stars, no governors, no VIP's, it's like they replaced everyone they could who might be a threat to the dynasty. Or is it that the faithful are staying away in droves ?
Schedule from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53612846

Wasn't there something about Stalin being the secretary to meetings because what he wrote down was what was decide, except here it's choosing who's to speak.



Tuesday

First Lady Melania Trump
Eric Trump
Tiffany Trump
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo - may be violating State Department policy by attending
Senator Rand Paul
Nicholas Sandmann, who featured in a viral video last year in front of the Lincoln Memorial in the nation's capital

Wednesday

Vice-President Mike Pence and wife Karen - who will try to take over when Trump leaves
Eric Trump's wife Lara
White House adviser Kellyanne Conway - who has resigned

Thursday

President Trump
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
Ivanka Trump
Alice Johnson, a criminal justice reform advocate whose life sentence was commuted by the president after a campaign led by Kim Kardashian
Parents of Kayla Mueller, an American aid worker who was taken hostage and killed in Syria -

Billy Mays

Oh how I laugh when these megachurch con artist scumbags are exposed for the frauds they are

Falwell an actual cuck. Hilarious.

FrostyJack

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I dont think she does...

She said she was abused in her bedroom, take what you want from that, she did say it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CiTGF03Jac

Water John

FrostyJack wrote: »

She said she was abused in her bedroom, take what you want from that, she did say it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CiTGF03Jac

Whatever the truth, it's awfully sad.

amandstu

This is weird sh ×× on many levels.

So they invited that reporter guy into their house.

Ignorance is bliss but we can't afford ignorance around this White House.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy-VEHvj7lk

Rjd2

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Lots of Trump and of 'influencers' on the list of speakers.
They can't really block the VP or Senate Leader but there's no rising stars, no governors, no VIP's, it's like they replaced everyone they could who might be a threat to the dynasty. Or is it that the faithful are staying away in droves ?
Schedule from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53612846

Wasn't there something about Stalin being the secretary to meetings because what he wrote down was what was decide, except here it's choosing who's to speak.



Tuesday

First Lady Melania Trump
Eric Trump
Tiffany Trump
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo - may be violating State Department policy by attending
Senator Rand Paul
Nicholas Sandmann, who featured in a viral video last year in front of the Lincoln Memorial in the nation's capital

Wednesday

Vice-President Mike Pence and wife Karen - who will try to take over when Trump leaves
Eric Trump's wife Lara
White House adviser Kellyanne Conway - who has resigned

Thursday

President Trump
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
Ivanka Trump
Alice Johnson, a criminal justice reform advocate whose life sentence was commuted by the president after a campaign led by Kim Kardashian
Parents of Kayla Mueller, an American aid worker who was taken hostage and killed in Syria -

Depends what you mean by rising star.

The only obvious exclusion is Hawley which is very odd.

Hailey, Cotton, Noem and Crenshaw will make a move for presidency in 2024 are speaking.

TomOnBoard

FrostyJack wrote: »

She said she was abused in her bedroom, take what you want from that, she did say it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CiTGF03Jac

OK. I stand corrected!

Well, that YouTube clip would probably lead to a Social Services intervention in most jurisdictions. Given the profiles of the Conways, I'm sure Police will think twice before intervening, but that child does seem to need outside help. If her friends and/or older relatives care for her, they ought to help her and not leave her vulnerable to influence from randommers on the internet.

In any event, this has gone waaaay beyond a matter for discussion on a Politics forum, so I won't be commenting any further on it here.

BorneTobyWilde

Whole convention is a comedy show. It's all aimed at appealing to his base?? But his hardcore base are with him already, he could **** two porn stars live from the Oval Office and they'll still vote for him.
Trump has lost millions of everyday American voters, who didn't know he was bat **** crazy when they voted for him, now they see him for what he's like. He really needed to tone it all down and appeal to them in this convention, but no, appealing to a base already with him? Makes no sense, they will vote for him anyway.
I saw nothing so far that appeals to normal everyday Americans who came out for him last time.

Quin_Dub

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Whole convention is a comedy show. It's all aimed at appealing to his base?? But his hardcore base are with him already, he could **** two porn stars live from the Oval Office and they'll still vote for him.
Trump has lost millions of everyday American voters, who didn't know he was bat **** crazy when they voted for him, now they see him for what he's like. He really needed to tone it all down and appeal to them in this convention, but no, appealing to a base already with him? Makes no sense, they will vote for him anyway.
I saw nothing so far that appeals to normal everyday Americans who came out for him last time.

It is a continuation of his only plan for re-election.

Which is to utterly terrify his base and ramp them up into an absolutely frenzy to ensure that every single last one of them vote.

No attempt to win over new voters , just whip his base into a berserker frenzy.

He either hopes that if every single one of them votes that it will be enough to win or if they aren't enough that they are so utterly enraged that they kick up such levels of unrest it will make the Brooks brothers riots look like a Buddhist retreat.

Penn

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It is a continuation of his only plan for re-election.

Which is to utterly terrify his base and ramp them up into an absolutely frenzy to ensure that every single last one of them vote.

No attempt to win over new voters , just whip his base into a berserker frenzy.

He either hopes that if every single one of them votes that it will be enough to win or if they aren't enough that they are so utterly enraged that they kick up such levels of unrest it will make the Brooks brothers riots look like a Buddhist retreat.

Exactly. It's why so many of the RNC speakers are people who've been demonised (whether rightly or wrongly) by the media and 'lefties'. Because right now, Trump's biggest policy is "THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!"

Leroy42

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Whole convention is a comedy show. It's all aimed at appealing to his base?? But his hardcore base are with him already, he could **** two porn stars live from the Oval Office and they'll still vote for him.
Trump has lost millions of everyday American voters, who didn't know he was bat **** crazy when they voted for him, now they see him for what he's like. He really needed to tone it all down and appeal to them in this convention, but no, appealing to a base already with him? Makes no sense, they will vote for him anyway.
I saw nothing so far that appeals to normal everyday Americans who came out for him last time.

I was reading a review of the 1st night, which contained good and bad, and one thing the author felt was good was the roundtable discussion with freed hostages and others such as those freed from Turkey.

So claps all round, thank you Mr President.

Except of course that Trump couldn't help himself in saying that Erdogan was actually great.

During a pre-taped roundtable conversation in which Trump sat with six Americans who were formerly held hostage overseas, only to be freed and brought home by his administration, the president sat listening to an American pastor who had been held in Turkey and faced a 28-year prison term.

After the pastor, Andrew Brunson, shared his gratitude for being brought home, Trump told him, “I have to say, that to me, President Erdogan was very good.”

That would be Recep Tayyip Erdoğan — the brutal Turkish dictator whose government had imprisoned Brunson in the first place.

Trump went on, “I know that they had you scheduled for a long time, and you were a very innocent person. And he ultimately, after we had a few conversations, he agreed, so we appreciate that. And we appreciate the people of Turkey. And you still appreciate the people of Turkey, I understand, right?”

. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/24/trump-republican-national-convention-day1-401134

Itssoeasy

So the FDA commissioner is now saying he overstated the life saving benefits of plasma and is apologising for it. The question is why he left himself and the agency he’s head of get bullied by Donald trump ? So, that’s the CDC and now FDA who have been politicised.

Leroy42

There is a massive risk that Trump is going to force through a vaccine without the proper process and testing.

It has the potential to not only not work in dealing with this particular virus, but many people already have unbased doubts about vaccines and something like a rushed vaccine, even if the worst thing it does is not work, will only increase this.

But the Trump is not worried about that or the longer term effects. He only wants to get a vaccine in time for the election.

I think the October surprise may well be the announcement of a vaccine. Ready to go, the US military is ready to roll it out across the country. Like the announcement last week, it doesn't actually matter if anything actually happens, once the headlines read for a few days that Trump has saved the country.

Would Fauci, Birx etc be in any position to stand up then and call a halt? I doubt it.

Itssoeasy

Leroy42 wrote: »

There is a massive risk that Trump is going to force through a vaccine without the proper process and testing.

It has the potential to not only not work in dealing with this particular virus, but many people already have unbased doubts about vaccines and something like a rushed vaccine, even if the worst thing it does is not work, will only increase this.

But the Trump is not worried about that or the longer term effects. He only wants to get a vaccine in time for the election.

I think the October surprise may well be the announcement of a vaccine. Ready to go, the US military is ready to roll it out across the country. Like the announcement last week, it doesn't actually matter if anything actually happens, once the headlines read for a few days that Trump has saved the country.

Would Fauci, Birx etc be in any position to stand up then and call a halt? I doubt it.

I mean it would be manna from heaven for the anti Vaxxer crowd. It would in their eyes confirm everything they believe. And as you say like lots of things trump just wants the headlines and the detail is a distant secondary concern, if there is even a secondary concern which I highly doubt.

Edit: dr birx maybe as she seems to be trying to repair her reputation which presumably she intends to keep after trump is. I think the FDA did delay it because fauci and Collins(Faucis boss) raised concerns.

pixelburp

The thought of the Developed World's niche love-affair with the anti-vaccination movement garnering even more support or traction fills me with some heady mix of disappointment and anger. But yes, the rushing of any kind of treatment without the proper checks and boundaries would just play into the headspace of every crackpot and conspiracy theorist going.

amandstu

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean it would be manna from heaven for the anti Vaxxer crowd. It would in their eyes confirm everything they believe. And as you say like lots of things trump just wants the headlines and the detail is a distant secondary concern, if there is even a secondary concern which I highly doubt.

He would probably claim the benefit of people refusing to take it too.

"I mean ,they said it would work and ,why not take it but you have to be careful "

banie01

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean it would be manna from heaven for the anti Vaxxer crowd. It would in their eyes confirm everything they believe.

Wouldn't it!
Imagine we are talking about the dangers of Antivaxxers in the day the WHO announced that Polio has been eradicated in Africa.

It's not all that long ago that hospital wards full of Iron Lungs were common in the US, a very short societal memory.

The FDA commissioner, Christ!
After having a look at the numbers versus what he actually presented.
He didn't lie, but he really, really went out of his way to present Plasma in the best possible light.
Very fudged number for the presser, albeit with the detail buried in the paperwork.

Leroy42

It is when people like the FDA commissioner, non political and thought of to be focused on sticking to the facts rather than spin, that the whole things starts to fall apart.

We have seen it in the UK. People such as the Commissioner should never get too close to the politicians. Their job is to report to the people, to protect the state, not to run PR for whatever colour government happens to be in charge at that point in time.

They should be, and need to be, a break on the excesses of the politicians who are always going to reach for the best spin to suit their agenda.

i don't see how this guy can remain in his job, not from a professional POV. He let himself, and his colleagues down. Birx is the same.

Imagine if she, or he, had stood up at the press conferences and fired back with actual facts and realities to Trump? Sure they would have been fired, no doubt about that, but Trump would be less willing to open himself up to that ridicule again. Instead, in this particular instance, Trump got an entire weekend of positive reporting out of a non story.

And now the denials will be dismissed by many as Anti-Trump, as yet again science is wrong etc.

In effect, their entire education and career has been leading to an event such as this and they have been found wanting. Harsh, but IMO, true.

Water John

Another book, complete with tapes on the Trump family. A former friend of Melania has taped her dissing Donald and Ivanka. Publication date Melania and Me Sept 1st.

Quin_Dub

Water John wrote: »

Another book, complete with tapes on the Trump family. A former friend of Melania has taped her dissing Donald and Ivanka. Publication date Melania and Me Sept 1st.

I know it's an excellent time to maximise the cash that these books etc. will make , but there does seem to be an awful lot of former "friends & associates" releasing tell-alls lately.