Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Tchaikovsky

spacecoyote wrote: »

"Make America Great Again...Again"

Very strange slogan for an incumbent president to have. It's almost like they haven't a clue and just want to carry on with the cruel, dumb sh1t.

Shai

ELM327 wrote: »

Both of those are subjective opinions though.
If he were racist, he woudlnt have african american support bases in any amounts. No jews voted for Hitler.

Yeah, they did.
https://sfi.usc.edu/video/manfred-steinfeld-why-germans-voted-hitler

Wanderer78

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Very strange slogan for an incumbent president to have. It's almost like they haven't a clue and just want to carry on with the cruel, dumb sh1t.

theres definitely a serious lack of intelligence going on there alright, which extremely unusual for a narcissist such as trump

extra gravy

ELM327 wrote: »

Doesn't seem so racist to these folks, and, with no disrespect, I'll listen to their opinion over yours on the matter.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-45997233

That's from 2018. Anything more recent?

Water John

When your close friend and advisor Tucker Carlson defends the actions of a vigilante who kills two people, you are way off track.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/26/tucker-carlson-kenosha-shooting-teen-kyle-rittenhouse

Tucker won't be doing the jail time. Sadly a niave 17 yr old will be doing a life sentence, if he's lucky.

Quin_Dub

Water John wrote: »

When your close friend and advisor Tucker Carlson defends the actions of a vigilante who kills two people, you are way off track.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/26/tucker-carlson-kenosha-shooting-teen-kyle-rittenhouse

Tucker won't be doing the jail time. Sadly a niave 17 yr old will be doing a life sentence, if he's lucky.

To be honest , the comments from Carlson are deeply chilling in the context of a contested result in November.

If more of these "Militia" types were take to the streets following Biden win with a close result in Wisconsin or the like , will we have Carlson egging them on?

"Is it any surprise that people take up arms and go on to the streets to defend democracy when they see the election stolen from them"

duploelabs

ELM327 wrote: »

So, African Americans that hate whites, or Middle Eastern Arabs that hate westerners are Trump supporters??

You know that's not the definition of racism that I was talking about. I was referring to the type you're very familiar with

Itssoeasy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

To be honest , the comments from Carlson are deeply chilling in the context of a contested result in November.

If more of these "Militia" types were take to the streets following Biden win with a close result in Wisconsin or the like , will we have Carlson egging them on?

"Is it any surprise that people take up arms and go on to the streets to defend democracy when they see the election stolen from them"

The aftermath of this election has the potential(hopefully cooler heads prevail) to be very unsettled and could make the post 2000 election mess look like a slight disagreement.

Tchaikovsky

When you're dealing with a Cult of Personality, it rarely ends peacefully.

seamus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The aftermath of this election has the potential(hopefully cooler heads prevail) to be very unsettled and could make the post 2000 election mess look like a slight disagreement.

I guess when they showed videos of rioting with "This is Biden's America" on them, that wasn't meant as a warning, it was meant as a threat.

ELM327

duploelabs wrote: »

You know that's not the definition of racism that I was talking about. I was referring to the type you're very familiar with

So, are you a member of the "only whites can be racist" brigade

Quin_Dub

seamus wrote: »

I guess when they showed videos of rioting with "This is Biden's America" on them, that wasn't meant as a warning, it was meant as a threat.

You mean the one with footage from Barcelona?

On the first night of the Republican National Convention, the party aired a segment featuring Catalina and Madeline Lauf warning of dire consequences if Democratic candidate Joe Biden is elected president.

“This is a taste of Biden’s America,” one sister says in a voiceover as images of protests play onscreen. “The rioting, the crime. Freedom is at stake now and this is going to be the most important election of our lifetime.”

The problem is that one of the images in the segment doesn’t show the US at all — it shows Spain.

They just googled "Riot footage" and used stock content from ShutterStock - Amateur hour.

BuzzFeed News was able to find identical footage on Shutterstock, a website that’s a common source for stock images and videos. In this case, the Barcelona footage used in the RNC segment is described as “Young rebel riot revolutionary anarchist.” Although that video doesn’t specify the location it was shot in, another angle shot by Getty Images does.

duploelabs

ELM327 wrote: »

So, are you a member of the "only whites can be racist" brigade

No, I make that differential.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

So, are you a member of the "only whites can be racist" brigade

In the US it's pet fair to say, institutional and systemic racism tends to be directed at black people. It's a tad weird if this is a revelation for you.

abff

Water John wrote: »

When your close friend and advisor Tucker Carlson defends the actions of a vigilante who kills two people, you are way off track.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/26/tucker-carlson-kenosha-shooting-teen-kyle-rittenhouse

Tucker won't be doing the jail time. Sadly a niave 17 yr old will be doing a life sentence, if he's lucky.

I’ve found quite a lot of Carlson’s comments utterly deplorable, but this is a new low, even for him. How can he get away with saying things like that? Surely there has to be some standard applied to prevent someone like him effectively encouraging people to fire on unarmed protestors?

pixelburp

Are Carlson's comments really any more shocking than the volume of actual apocalyptic chatter the GOP conference has so far produced? The former is just a known public troll channelling his usual racist blather; the GOP conference is more distasteful in it being pure vitriol and hysteria output as official Party perspective. A rallying cry to forcefully object to a Biden presidency, or contest the election at the bare minimum - or else America will apparently burn to the ground. Tucker Carlson is a raging bystander, a man rich off the back of outrage he probably doesn't believe in. The Trump oriented GOP conference is shrieking at its audience to rise up. It's borderline treacherous in its outlook.

namloc1980

Quin_Dub wrote: »

You mean the one with footage from Barcelona?



They just googled "Riot footage" and used stock content from ShutterStock - Amateur hour.

Didn't Trump do the same in 2016 when they used footage of people scaling a wall outside the Spanish city of Ceuta in Morocco, north Africa but claimed it was the hordes of Mexicans coming over the southern border?

They have form for this.

Gbear

Quin_Dub wrote: »

You mean the one with footage from Barcelona?

They just googled "Riot footage" and used stock content from ShutterStock - Amateur hour.

I'm not sure it's amateurism as much as it's reflective of the contempt in which they hold their supporters.


"I found some footage of rioting."
"Put it in the montage."
"Do we know where it's from?"
"Who cares."


^
An extremely plausible sequence of events from Trump campaign HQ.

Quin_Dub

They've specifically been caught using "riot" footage from elsewhere before

They used footage from Ukraine in an attack ad about Portland

Chips Lovell

Mod Note

Read the charter please folks. Serious and legitimate political discussion only please

"Volcano of sh***e" does not qualify as that.

Mullaghteelin

duploelabs wrote: »

Not all protesters are rioters and looters, they're in there but not in the way you suggest. In the same way, not all trump supporters are racists, but I can guarantee you all racists are Trump supporters

You can guarantee?

Richard Spencer Reiterates Support for Biden, Disavows 'Useless' and 'Traitorous' GOP

https://www.newsweek.com/richard-spencer-reiterates-support-biden-disavows-useless-traitorous-gop-1527555

We really have to stop seeing US politics in simplistic Rep/Dem, Conservative/Liberal terms.
We have neocons from the Bush-era supporting Biden, while on the other hand, there are Sanders supporters who consider Trump as the lesser of two evils.

TomOnBoard

Richard Spencer is doing a naked infiltration and propaganda attack on the Biden campaign... muddying the waters. . It's so obvious it's pathetic. .

StringerBell

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Richard Spencer is doing a naked infiltration and propaganda attack on the Biden campaign... muddying the waters. . It's so obvious it's pathetic. .

Exactly, it has absolutely zero credibility whatsoever. Can't imagine who would be taken in by that.

Itssoeasy

So Kellyanne Conway is saying that the violence and protesting is mainly in democratic controlled cities and states so it’s “not on president trumps watch.” So there’s the quite part out loud again. So it’s not trumps problem then even though he’s the president of the United States not just republican parts.

StringerBell

With so much happening all the time it's actually mad to think that it was just this year the president was impeached. Only a few months ago like, I almost thought it was last year until I started watching this year's edition of The Circus.

hotmail.com

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So Kellyanne Conway is saying that the violence and protesting is mainly in democratic controlled cities and states so it’s “not on president trumps watch.” So there’s the quite part out loud again. So it’s not trumps problem then even though he’s the president of the United States not just republican parts.

Trump seems to have taken a hands off approach to state matters. This is part of the American ideology to let States themselves deal with their own affairs.

moon2

hotmail.com wrote: »

Trump seems to have taken a hands off approach to state matters. This is part of the American ideology to let States themselves deal with their own affairs.

You know that's a lie.

If it's bad it's not Trump's fault or responsibility. If it's positive then it's all because of him.

He doesn't differentiate between "state" or "federal".

Itssoeasy

hotmail.com wrote: »

Trump seems to have taken a hands off approach to state matters. This is part of the American ideology to let States themselves deal with their own affairs.

He’s taking a hands off approach to COVID-19 when it suited him and he went back and forth over who’s responsibility fighting this virus was depending what day it was and when it benefited him. I think that pandemic is a federal government responsibility given they have the resources to deal with(or not) with the cost. But yes as a rule the states have autonomy of sorts which leads to the USA being a country where 50 smaller countries decide to kind of work together.

Timberrrrrrrr

hotmail.com wrote: »

Trump seems to have taken a hands off approach to state matters. This is part of the American ideology to let States themselves deal with their own affairs.

But from the man himself!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776?s=20

hotmail.com

moon2 wrote: »

You know that's a lie.

If it's bad it's not Trump's fault. If it's positive then it's all because of him.

He doesn't differentiate between "state" or "federal"

But each state governor is in charge of state matters. The governor can request national assistance.

Americans are very proud of their federal status. They don't like Washington, or big government dictating things to them. It's part of the American culture. Trump just reflects that.