Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

I have to admit it, one part of Don's speech contained more than a nugget of truth and that was the part where he admitted [without hyperbole] there was a difference of opinion between both political parties. The fact that he said it matter-of-factly surprised me. If that is to be the way he is going to pursue the election campaign, then it seems the Dems may yet have a major fight on their hands to successfully gain a large percentage of the overall vote in Nov.

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Caegan wrote: »

The NBA are opening all stadiums as voting stations for the 2020 elections.

Trump will be off on another NBA poor ratings tweetstorm soon I imagine

Brilliant, hopefully baseball, ice hockey and football will follow suit.

The Raging Bile Duct

aloyisious wrote: »

I have to admit it, one part of Don's speech contained more than a nugget of truth and that was the part where he admitted [without hyperbole] there was a difference of opinion between both political parties. The fact that he said it matter-of-factly surprised me. If that is to be the way he is going to pursue the election campaign, then it seems the Dems may yet have a major fight on their hands to successfully gain a large percentage of the overall vote in Nov.

It's that not like saying that water is wet? How does that equate to a big fight for the Democrats or am I just missing the sarcasm?

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Kushner took a swipe at NBA players saying they were "fortunate" to be able to take a night off from work. This is coming from the guy who was born into wealth and only has a job in the White House thanks to nepotism. Turns out they did more for the American people in their night off than he's done in his entire pointless existence.

aloyisious

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

It's that not like saying that water is wet? How does equate to a big fight for the Democrats it am I just missing the sarcasm?

Unlike most of his speeches where he uses his own stock phrases to accentuate what he had said in parts of the speech, ending up wrecking the speech, last night he steered clear of that when he said that part about the difference between the parties. That was the discernable point, he spoke level-headedly & direct to the point without his usual hyperbole; as in the likening Biden & the Dems to socialists intent on destroying the American Dream.

abff

aloyisious wrote: »

Unlike most of his speeches where he uses his own stock phrases to accentuate what he had said in parts of the speech, ending up wrecking the speech, last night he steered clear of that when he said that part about the difference between the parties. That was the discernable point, he spoke level-headedly & direct to the point without his usual hyperbole; as in the likening Biden & the Dems to socialists intent on destroying the American Dream.

Even if some of Trump’s entourage manages to tone down the rhetoric, there’s no way the man himself is going to do anything other than rant, moan, lie, complain, stir things up, etc. etc.

aloyisious

abff wrote: »

Even if some of Trump’s entourage manages to tone down the rhetoric, there’s no way the man himself is going to do anything other than rant, moan, lie, complain, stir things up, etc. etc.

There are two months to the election and I won't be counting my chickens yet. If his semi-slick "reasonable person" approach as shown the other day repeats, there's a chance that he could attract fresh voters. It's not just him that depends on that now, it's GOP candidates in general. I'd prefer the blunt gaslighting model 1 rather than the new model 2 any day.

amandstu

Mary Trump was explaining the Trump she knows on CNN last night.

Offered no suggestion as to why Ivanka was his obvious favourite since the beginning but (iirc) ventured that it showed bad parenting (with which Id' agree)

fr336

I think trump is going to win

Water John

fr336 wrote: »

I think trump is going to win

You could be right. but as a statement on its own, it doesn't add much to the discussion.

fr336

Water John wrote: »

You could be right. but as a statement on its own, it doesn't add much to the discussion.

I just think the dems are making an even bigger screw up than 2016. They are intent on banging on about culture wars, producing no new voters and turning many away. Its almost like trump is paying them.

Water John

The analysis of the Polls disagrees with you. Very little people left in the undecided category, in contrast to 2016. That's where Trump got his final votes but that tank is empty this time. Yes, he has a chance, but it's extremely limited.

Carfacemandog

fr336 wrote: »

I just think the dems are making an even bigger screw up than 2016. They are intent on banging on about culture wars, producing no new voters and turning many away. Its almost like trump is paying them.

1. Culture wars - could you expand please? It seems to me like Trump has been pushing for culture wars far more, against the "liberal media", the "socialists" (by which he seems to mean anyone to the left of anarcho capitalism), other religions and minorities.

2. Producing no new voters - again, this would seem far more to be the case with Trump, due to the 'us vs the world' seige mentality he has been pushing on his base for over three years. It also shows in his approval rating never going above 50% on aggregate, the lower undecided numbers in these polls with most who have movdd off of it going away from Trump, and many republicans and Trump appointees also distancing themselves from and evenly openly criticising Trump as not the man for the job.

3. Turning many away - again, more applicable to Trump as a lot of people voting for Biden are polled as not so much voting for him, and instead voting against Trump.

Tell me how

fr336 wrote: »

I just think the dems are making an even bigger screw up than 2016. They are intent on banging on about culture wars, producing no new voters and turning many away. Its almost like trump is paying them.

What voters are they turning away?

What evidence supports your view that this is happening?

Overheal

fr336 wrote: »

I just think the dems are making an even bigger screw up than 2016. They are intent on banging on about culture wars, producing no new voters and turning many away. Its almost like trump is paying them.

Republican Voters Against Trump... The Lincoln Project... endorsements from GWB, Mitt Romney, John Kaisich, Colin Powell, and literally hundreds of other prominent Republicans? But yeah sure no new voters

fr336

Overheal wrote: »

Republican Voters Against Trump... The Lincoln Project... endorsements from GWB, Mitt Romney, John Kaisich, Colin Powell, and literally hundreds of other prominent Republicans? But yeah sure no new voters

None of that worked out too well in 2016 did it. Plenty of republicans were against trump and still hes president. This is the same thing again - complacency from the democrats and anyone who tries to help them win is an enemy. I sometimes feel democrat supporters are just happy with ranting on twitter and thinking theyve won before the inevitable real world trump victory.

listermint

fr336 wrote: »

None of that worked out too well in 2016 did it. Plenty of republicans were against trump and still hes president. This is the same thing again - complacency from the democrats and anyone who tries to help them win is an enemy. I sometimes feel democrat supporters are just happy with ranting on twitter and thinking theyve won before the inevitable real world trump victory.

Trump isnt winning this time, ive said it before i said it earlier this year, i said it last year.

He has LOST the middle wavering voter. There is no evidence of these voters coming back to him. They want normal back. Biden is that.

Sorry that you will lose the entertainment of the crazy train but, it is what it is.

fr336

Tell me how wrote: »

What voters are they turning away?

What evidence supports your view that this is happening?

Theyre an echo chamber of race, gender and sexuality politics. Important issues, but even supporters of these issues may be turned off by their constant promotion at the exclusion of all else. Makes trumps job easy - "the democrats want to defund the police and only care about race". Any election strategist worth their salt would see what im seeing not patting themselves on the back and assuming the race is over.

pixelburp

fr336 wrote: »

None of that worked out too well in 2016 did it. Plenty of republicans were against trump and still hes president. This is the same thing again - complacency from the democrats and anyone who tries to help them win is an enemy. I sometimes feel democrat supporters are just happy with ranting on twitter and thinking theyve won before the inevitable real world trump victory.

To repeat what I said in the other thread... Trump won in 2016 by swinging Undecided, moderate voters tickled by an "anti-establishment" ticket and the resting distrust of Hillary Clinton. By all accounts Trump appealed to the centrists, moderates by promising quantifiable (albeit fantastical) actions: restore the Rust Belt (with "clean coal"); Build a Wall; Repeal Healthcare; MAGA. It may have been pipedream stuff but it was policy, and appeals towards a project for America. There was a plan, however nebulous.

Fast forward to 2020 and none of those have come to pass. Despite having 2 years of total control of government; the ACA repeal was a humiliating failure and only his tax plan counts as a demonstrable"success". The grand trump experiment was a failure even before CoVid hit the country and showed Trump's leadership in a crisis as severely lacking.

These are not identical elections and Trump may find it's easier to be outside the tent písssing in than inside píssing out (which is precisely his tactic in trying to attack Postal Voting and every government department he ostensibly controls). For those Undecideds to return to Trump would be a huge kick against the evidence of both polls and Trump's own record (and before it's said, yes the Polls DID give Trump a shot in 2016, they didn't get it "wrong")

fr336

listermint wrote: »

Trump isnt winning this time, ive said it before i said it earlier this year, i said it last year.

He has LOST the middle wavering voter. There is no evidence of these voters coming back to him. They want normal back. Biden is that.

Sorry that you will lose the entertainment of the crazy train but, it is what it is.

This is social media in 2020 - assumptions about the other poster. I look forward to the day trump loses, hopefully badly, now that would be entertaining. My point is that if hillary lost when she shouldnt have, and when obama was still in office, excuse me for not popping the champagne cork yet. Even if biden is 99% certain to win, thats not good enough. Not to mention if its a bush gore in 2001 situation - the republicans would be 1000 times worse this time and try every trick in the book if there was a hope of trump carrying on as president.

Timberrrrrrrr

fr336 wrote: »

None of that worked out too well in 2016 did it. Plenty of republicans were against trump and still hes president. This is the same thing again - complacency from the democrats and anyone who tries to help them win is an enemy. I sometimes feel democrat supporters are just happy with ranting on twitter and thinking theyve won before the inevitable real world trump victory.

Trump is the only one who rants on Twitter

Can you name one single person of importance that has come out in support of Trump being re-elected?

Timberrrrrrrr

fr336 wrote: »

Theyre an echo chamber of race, gender and sexuality politics. Important issues, but even supporters of these issues may be turned off by their constant promotion at the exclusion of all else. Makes trumps job easy - "the democrats want to defund the police and only care about race". Any election strategist worth their salt would see what im seeing not patting themselves on the back and assuming the race is over.

This is a blatant lie

fr336

pixelburp wrote: »

To repeat what I said in the other thread... Trump won in 2016 by swinging Undecided, moderate voters tickled by an "anti-establishment" ticket and the resting distrust of Hillary Clinton. By all accounts Trump appealed to the centrists, moderates by promising quantifiable (albeit fantastical) actions: restore the Rust Belt (with "clean coal"); Build a Wall; Repeal Healthcare; MAGA. It may have been pipedream stuff but it was policy, and appeals towards a project for America. There was a plan, however nebulous.

Fast forward to 2020 and none of those have come to pass. Despite having 2 years of total control of government; the ACA repeal was a humiliating failure and only his tax plan counts as a demonstrable"success". The grand trump experiment was a failure even before CoVid hit the country and showed Trump's leadership in a crisis as severely lacking.

These are not identical elections and Trump may find it's easier to be outside the tent písssing in than inside píssing out (which is precisely his tactic in trying to attack Postal Voting and every government department he ostensibly controls). For those Undecideds to return to Trump would be a huge kick against the evidence of both polls and Trump's own record (and before it's said, yes the Polls DID give Trump a shot in 2016, they didn't get it "wrong")

I hopw youre right. As you say with the postal voting thing trump just needs to play certain games and he could cling on. And what about russia this time round? Got any leaks up their sleeves? Any other opinion forming interference?

fr336

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This is a blatant lie

Are you saying thats my opinion? Read the post again.

fr336

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Trump is the only one who rants on Twitter

Can you name one single person of importance that has come out in support of Trump being re-elected?

What does that matter? You seem to be saying the democrats have already won? Doesnt seem a successful election strategy three months out. Especially when dealing with a charlatan like trump who will do anything to win.

listermint

fr336 wrote: »

I hopw youre right. As you say with the postal voting thing trump just needs to play certain games and he could cling on. And what about russia this time round? Got any leaks up their sleeves? Any other opinion forming interference?

You can absolutely guarantee with utmost certainty that the black vote that dropped out in the 2016 election will be back in force this time out. With numbers, id imagine similar scale to Obama's election in 2008. Trump is fully aware of this, It would close out any gains he had against hilary last time. Coupled with losing the wavering middle ground voters that went with him last time because he was new and different.

He aint winning and this isnt social media driven or twitter bubble. The writings on the wall.

listermint

fr336 wrote: »

What does that matter? You seem to be saying the democrats have already won? Doesnt seem a successful election strategy three months out. Especially when dealing with a charlatan like trump who will do anything to win.

Do you think a poster on here saying the democrats have won impacts the democrats Strategy..??? its a discussion forum in Ireland I nor him has an impact on democrat strategy they dont just hang up their boots because we said it on boards.


Youve been given reasons for it. Refute them or dont bother. up to you

Timberrrrrrrr

fr336 wrote: »

What does that matter? You seem to be saying the democrats have already won? Doesnt seem a successful election strategy three months out. Especially when dealing with a charlatan like trump who will do anything to win.

I havent made that claim at all, I have said it will be tight especially with Trumps suppression of the democratic voting tonight's of US citizens.

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https://twitter.com/AlexDiPrato/status/1299518815844347904?s=19

Trump supporter threatening a journalist. What's the betting he's one of those hypocrites that goes to church every week pretending he's a good christian with "values".

I don't think I've ever come across a Trump supporter who isn't an ass****. Not surprising really seeing that they're supporting one.

rosser44

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AlexDiPrato/status/1299518815844347904?s=19

Trump supporter threatening a journalist. What's the betting he's one of those hypocrites that goes to church every week pretending he's a good christian with "values".

I don't think I've ever come across a Trump supporter who isn't an ass****. Not surprising really seeing that they're supporting one.

What a sad pathetic man, needing to bully a reporter who can't engage with him to feel like a big man. Sums up a lot of trump support.