Calls for Minister for Children Roderic O'Gorman to resign..

Creol1

redunited wrote: »

He wants the age of consent reduced for underage children, that way it wont be an actual crime!

All can be found in this article that he included in his tweet, just a play on words but he is basically saying, if children like the Bulgers can punished under law then children under 16 should be able to decided, "My Body, My Choice".

http://www.petertatchell.net/sex_education/why-arent-schools-educating-kids-against-sex-abuse/

You seem to have confused the victim in the Jamie Bulger case with the perpetrators. Jamie Bulger was the victim and he was murdered by two boys called Jon Venables and Robert Thomson. In any case, how it follows from the fact that children can be held responsible for serious crime that child rape should be permitted I am at a loss to understand.

Deleted User wrote: »

Even in the letter you just posted, he literally explicitly says he doesn't condone paedophilia.

He contradicts himself. He says he doesn't condone paedophilia but endorses grown men having sex with nine-year-old boys. That is paedophilia, regardless of whether or not he admits it.

Deleted User wrote: »

He explicitly said he didn't condone it. So no I think you're you're entirely misrepresenting his stance. You'll find plenty of politicians do support Romeo and Juliet laws.

Such as?

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Of course it's true - When Minister O'Gorman was appointed - pictures started circulating of him kissing his partner alongside lots of comments saying saying he was a paedophile. Then a trawl started through his social media with absolutely crazy off the wall conspiracies about maps. Basically - The far right are trying to latch onto this and use the fact he is a gay man to start screaming about paedophiles.

There are plenty of other politicians across parties who have been open about their homosexuality -- e.g., Varadkar, Jerry Buttimer, Cian O’Callaghan, Dominic Hannigan, John Lyons, Fintan Warfield -- so if your thesis is correct, why haven’t they been accused of having links to paedophilia?

Galwayguy35

O Gorman has Connors blocked over on twitter and Johnny ain't happy , bad move because its only made him more determinted to call him out.

Not a good move for a woke party to have one of their ministers doing that to the ethnic minority and stupid as well on O Gormans part because he should have known Connors won't give up if he doesn't answer him.

Yellow_Fern

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

O Gorman has Connors blocked over on twitter and Johnny ain't happy , bad move because its only made him more determinted to call him out.

Not a good move for a woke party to have one of their ministers doing that to the ethnic minority and stupid as well on O Gormans part because he should have known Connors won't give up if he doesn't answer him.

US courts ruled that the US president cant block people on twitter. I am not sure if I agree with that but I do think its unpresidential and OGorman blocking implies he doesn't get that he is a minster of the gov and its unminsterial to block people. That is what you get when you install a nymph like himself with a painfully short political CV as a minister.

drunkmonkey

Was Tatchell actually responding to Connors, I see a few posts from him?

Now Connors, there's a lot of calling out that still needs to happen in his community, he should leave O'Gorman alone and concentrate on his own lot.

sabat

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

This whole latching onto the Map Porn thing as some sort of coded pedophile term is some Q-Anon/PizzaGate levels of batsh*t craziness that I thought we'd never see over here...

...It really shouldn't need explaining but, Map Porn is a term commonly used for content online that focuses on maps to a level that most people would find pointless or geeky. Content such as this:...



... Do people think he was also hiding his really intent behind that term. Jesus Christ....

Nothing to see here? Would a CSO map of commuting in Ireland qualify as "map porn" as it's commonly understood? It looks quite mundane to me. I looked through all 1100 of his tweets containing pictures and videos and there's only a handful of maps directly relating to local planning issues there-he certainly does not "have an interest in cartography" as other posters claim and that tweet is the one and only time he specifically posted a map to look at for its own sake. Then there's the phrasing in the tweet itself-"Mmmmm map porn"- out of all his tweets that I've read this one is sui generis in terms of its randomness, brevity and use of idiom. It stands out like a sore thumb. The "mmmmm" is indicative of a personal taste being satisfied by consuming something-he doesn't say "check out this map porn" or even "wow, map porn!"

Would he post a tweet with a double sexual meaning? Is that action in itself unthinkable and could only be dreamed up by paranoid homophobes? Well here he is with some edgelord exhibitionism making a very unsubtle reference to fellatio:



I think he knew full well the double meaning of that phrase, that he posted it for a laugh and just threw up some random map as cover.

Dyr

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’ve read a bit more about tatchell

It’s hair raising stuff.

This is the guy who a seemingly well informed and well educated politician sought out to praise on Twitter????

Wtf like ??

O’Gorman NEEDS to publicly disavow Tatchells views or else, resign.

it’s too problematic to just leave “without comment”.

No explaining is going to make his tweet go away, Martin and Varadker should insist that O'Gorman resign as minister.

I think Pride might have some explaining to do as well....

Beechwoodspark

I see hazel chu is in full “deflection mode” over this.

It’s a sign they are getting fairly rattled over in Green HQ

TomTomTim

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I see hazel chu is in full “deflection mode” over this.

It’s a sign they are getting fairly rattled over in Green HQ

I've seen several politicians mention it now. They are all defaulting to blaming it on homophobia. It's all so boringly predicable.

Brussels Sprout

sabat wrote: »

Would he post a tweet with a double sexual meaning? Is that action in itself unthinkable and could only be dreamed up by paranoid homophobes? Well here he is with some edgelord exhibitionism making a very unsubtle reference to fellatio:

I read the tweet first since it was rendered as big as the rest of your post and I thought to myself: "Ok, what could possibly be the problem with this mundane, food appreciation post?" Then, I read your post. I really don't know what to say except that I think you've answered your own question.

suicide_circus

1. Some people are motivated to pursue this issue due to homophobia.

2. Roderick O'Gorman needs to make a statement on this because the optics are not good.


Both these statements can be true simultaneously.

Yellow_Fern

Can anyone imagine how much flak a minister for children would get if he/she was a consecrated layman. There would be howls about about fundamentally unsuited they would be.

sabat

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

I read the tweet first since it was rendered as big as the rest of your post and I thought to myself: "Ok, what could possibly be the problem with this mundane, food appreciation post?" Then, I read your post. I really don't know what to say except that I think you've answered your own question.

"Munching?" On just a cucumber with cheese? That was so delicious you just had to stop halfway through and inform the world? Have some rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

One eyed Jack

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Can anyone imagine how much flak a minister for children would get if he/she was a consecrated layman. There would be howls about about fundamentally unsuited they would be.

The same howlers would struggle to engineer any sort of a scandal out of nothing and would likely be just as summarily dismissed for their faux concerns. He’s the Minister for Children, not the Minister for entertaining idiots who really don’t care about his opinions one way or the other about children or politics or anything else.

jam_mac_jam

What do you think he was doing. Giving a coded reference to blowjobs? Seriously? Because he is such a sex fiend?

You would be better sticking to the tweet in question, then trying to make something out of literally nothing.

The maps, the cucumber, it just makes the actual point about the tweet that looks bad get lost.

gmisk

Creol1 wrote: »

You seem to have confused the victim in the Jamie Bulger case with the perpetrators. Jamie Bulger was the victim and he was murdered by two boys called Jon Venables and Robert Thomson. In any case, how it follows from the fact that children can be held responsible for serious crime that child rape should be permitted I am at a loss to understand.



He contradicts himself. He says he doesn't condone paedophilia but endorses grown men having sex with nine-year-old boys. That is paedophilia, regardless of whether or not he admits it.



Such as?




There are plenty of other politicians across parties who have been open about their homosexuality -- e.g., Varadkar, Jerry Buttimer, Cian O’Callaghan, Dominic Hannigan, John Lyons, Fintan Warfield -- so if your thesis is correct, why haven’t they been accused of having links to paedophilia?

Just to answer that last part.
Most of them do get dogs abuse online for being gay, Fintan Warfield has been called everything under the sun from a degenerate, a pervert as well as a paedo on his Twitter.

One eyed Jack

sabat wrote: »

I looked through all 1100 of his tweets containing pictures and videos and there's only a handful of maps

Genuinely tho, that’s borderline obsessively going after the guy to look for something, anything, which might support portraying him in a less than complimentary light...


And the best you could come up with was innuendo about a cucumber and cream cheese? Good to see the guy has a sense of humour at least of that actually was the Intent of the post, and he’s not just one of these foodie types that posts everything he eats on social media!

Dyr

I think whats interesting here is that RTE are acting in the same way when Norris was on the hook for previous comments he'd made about paedophillia, they did their best to ignore it until the furore was such that they couldnt.

State Broadcaster, mar dhea

gmisk

Bambi wrote: »

I think whats interesting here is that RTE are acting in the same way when Norris was on the hook for previous comments he'd made about paedophillia, they did their best to ignore it until the furore was such that they couldnt.

State Broadcaster, mar dhea

There is a rather big difference though....Roderic O Gorman never made any such comments and no one even GOD is suggesting he did...so yeah clearly in no way comparable

sabat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

And the best you could come up with was innuendo about a cucumber and cream cheese? Good to see the guy has a sense of humour at least of that actually was the Intent of the post, and he’s not just one of these foodie types that posts everything he eats on social media!

I'm glad you at least acknowledge he has a history of double-meaning sexual posting on twitter. That's why I posted it. It's called precedent. Now, would you care to explain to me exactly what is so "map porn" about that map of Ireland which basically shows the population centres?

sabat

sabat wrote: »

"Munching?" On just a cucumber with cheese? That was so delicious you just had to stop halfway through and inform the world? Have some rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That sounds like a pretty standard tweet. Mobile phones even allow you to make the tweet without disrupting one's meal. Your search for coded messages is basically qanon territory.

sabat wrote: »

I'm glad you at least acknowledge he has a history of double-meaning sexual posting on twitter. That's why I posted it. It's called precedent. Now, would you care to explain to me exactly what is so "map porn" about that map of Ireland which basically shows the population centres?

Him eating a cucumber is not precedence for for anything. A map with population centers is interesting to people with an interest in stats and politicians... So saying "map porn" would not be out of place. In much the same way as somebody posting a car and saying "car porn". You should possibly get your own obsession looked into.

Dyr

gmisk wrote: »

There is a rather big difference though....Roderic O Gorman never made any such comments and no one even GOD is suggesting he did...so yeah clearly in no way comparable

When the Minister with responsibility for chidlren is describing a proponent of pedophillia as "legendary" the only difference is that it is far more serious than than the Norris case.

If that tweet is real then he should be gone, yet its not being reported in the press yet...

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

When the Minister with responsibility for chidlren is describing a proponent of pedophillia as "legendary" the only difference is that it is far more serious than than the Norris case.

If that tweet is real then he should be gone, then yet its not being reported in the press yet...

Theresa May on Peter Tatchell in the very same year.

“Many of you are with us today, and I am particularly pleased to see Peter Tatchell here.

“I know we probably don’t see eye-to-eye on everything, Peter, but I respect the lifetime of activism that you have committed in support of LGBT rights – and particularly most recently on the streets of Moscow.

“The commitment that you and many other longstanding campaigners has shown, makes us all proud.”

One eyed Jack

sabat wrote: »

I'm glad you at least acknowledge he has a history of double-meaning sexual posting on twitter. That's why I posted it. It's called precedent. Now, would you care to explain to me exactly what is so "map porn" about that map of Ireland which basically shows the population centres?

<insert hobby here> porn.

Fairly common on social media to refer to any sort of an interest as porn. It’s an incredible leap on your part to imagine he had the foresight that one day he would be the Minister for Children! :pac:

gmisk

Bambi wrote: »

When the Minister with responsibility for chidlren is describing a proponent of pedophillia as "legendary" the only difference is that it is far more serious than than the Norris case.

If that tweet is real then he should be gone, yet its not being reported in the press yet...

Seriously?....is this a windup?....Utter rubbish.
It is in no way comparable no matter what way you twist it.

Grudaire

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

O Gorman has Connors blocked over on twitter and Johnny ain't happy , bad move because its only made him more determinted to call him out.

Not a good move for a woke party to have one of their ministers doing that to the ethnic minority and stupid as well on O Gormans part because he should have known Connors won't give up if he doesn't answer him.

John Connors has totally lost any credibility in my eyes by jumping on this so enthusiastically.

God help us if everyone who has ever taken a picture with David Norris gets this level of attention..

Dyr

gmisk wrote: »

Seriously?....is this a windup?....Utter rubbish.
It is in no way comparable no matter what way you twist it.

I don't have to twist it. Describing someone with Thatchells views as "legendary" should be a resigning matter for any minister with a responsibility for children.

VillageIdiot71

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This Tatchell guy is a very disturbed individual.

The above post will be ignored though by people who think he is a legend.

It seems to be a bit like the Shinners adoring Sean Russell, and can't seem to process the fact that he actually collaborated with Nazis.

With Tatchell, many folk seem to have the same blind spot. I mean, we've all been there. Haven't we all been duped into writing a chapter of a book supporting paedophilia at some stage in our lives? Haven't we all expressed views that paedophiles would feel supported legalising their pursuits? No? Must be just Peter, so.

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/ian-campbell-dunn-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/

If you read Ian Campbell Dunn’s Wikipedia page you’ll find that he was a Scottish “gay rights campaigner”. After his death in 1998, Peter Tatchell wrote his obituary in The Independent, which describes him as “a pioneer for lesbian and gay human rights, remaining a central figure in the battle for homosexual equality – in Scotland and internationally – for 30 years”. His obituary also says that he helped set up the Scottish Minorities Group, one of Britain’s earliest gay rights organistations, in 1969.

What Tatchell’s obituary and the Wikipedia page fail to mention is that Ian Campbell Dunn, along with Michael Hanson, was co-founder of the Paedophile Information Exchange. It was created as part of the Scottish Minorities Group in 1974, the following year it moved to London with a different group of people running it.

The Paedophile Information Exchange, or PIE, campaigned for the age of consent to be reduced to 4, so paedophiles could abuse children without fear of prosecution. It also ran a contacts page which acted as a front for dealing child pornography and enabled members to make contact with other paedophiles. This is how organised networks began, and partly explains how paedophiles like Peter Righton managed to infiltrate children’s homes and schools throughout the UK......

Until recently there was an award for Scottish gay rights campaigners that was named after Dunn. In 2007 there were demands that the award should be renamed after a recipient discovered that Dunn was a paedophile.

Perhaps it’s time someone edited Dunn’s Wikipedia page to give a more accurate account of his interests. We need to keep paedophiles who posed as gay people completely separate from the rest of the gay community, and it doesn’t help by being in denial about the truth. When writing Dunn’s obituary, Peter Tatchell should have taken the opportunity to distance Dunn from the gay community by being more honest about his involvement with PIE.

Our Minister for Children needs to speak.

Marcos

Well this is the thing, it hasn't gone away, and it doesn't look like it's going to. So they need to lance the boil.

Their only question now is how are they going to spin this? Will they go the threats on social media route like Angela Kerrins route during the Rehab debacle and Joan Burton after Jobstown saying that she had death threats on social media? But neither of them got much sympathy and I can't really see this working as well as they'd like.

I'm guessing an "exclusive" pre scripted interview with Tubridy on the Late Late where he goes into full victim mode and emphasises the toll on his mental health? Mental health issues to be spun as being a victim of homophobia only; and not due to being asked to disavow himself from the views of Peter Tatchell, who has spoken in favourable terms of nine year olds having sex with adults. Hell they could even make it a twofer with Hazel Chu holding his hand. But the problem is that this risks raising more questions than answers and the Late Late audience who don't have any social media are going to ask what the hell was that about? What was said online etc? And then they'll get told. So it's a good thing for them there's a coronavirus and this can be filmed without an audience. I think they're more likely to go this route.

Either way, the optics are not good. Can they not see that it's "problematic" to have a minister for children who refuses to distance himself from Tatchell's views? He could still come out and do that, but I think he's backed himself into a corner by not addressing this earlier. They're expending political capital here that they may well need over the next year or two.

Also, don't forget that Micheal Martin has problems in FF, so what's going to happen if one of their "rebels" raises it to embarrass Martin. Or some of the independents like Healy Rae or Mattie McGrath? Either way this is not a good start for this government.

Now, if only this had come up after Roderic implemented his hate speech legislation later this year - then nobody would even be able to mention this. :rolleyes:

Rows Grower

VillageIdiot71 wrote: »

It seems to be a bit like the Shinners adoring Sean Russell, and can't seem to process the fact that he actually collaborated with Nazis.

With Tatchell, many folk seem to have the same blind spot. I mean, we've all been there. Haven't we all been duped into writing a chapter of a book supporting paedophilia at some stage in our lives? Haven't we all expressed views that paedophiles would feel supported legalising their pursuits? No? Must be just Peter, so.Our Minister for Children needs to speak.

Needs to speak?

He needs to crawl back under whatever rock he was hiding under and the person responsible for appointing him needs to speak and explain to the Irish people who are paying both their wages how in the name of God this wretch passed the appointment process.

sabat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

<insert hobby here> porn.

Fairly common on social media to refer to any sort of an interest as porn. It’s an incredible leap on your part to imagine he had the foresight that one day he would be the Minister for Children! :pac:

I had already forgotten about it-a mod even said to stop talking about it- and given the guy the benefit of the doubt until it became clear yesterday that a co-ordinated strategy was taking place off-thread amongst certain posters and that the strategy included "keep talking about the map thing; it makes them sound mental."
So I had a closer look to decide for myself and concluded that on the balance of probability he was being an edgelord exhibitionist who knew exactly what he was saying. Nothing more to say about it really; I'm not going to change any minds here.