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Calls for Minister for Children Roderic O'Gorman to resign..

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nah. This is a bull**** homophobic agenda driven by Gemmaroids and the Far Right.

    Just pointing out that criticism of a gay man isn't always homophobia Joe.

    Absolutely horrible (but not surprising) tactic of silencing any critic by labelling them homophobic. I guess if the minister happened to be black you would call it a racist attack?

    I see zero people on this thread conflating homosexuality with this story other than people claiming that it is homophobic.

    That's a little telling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    And the tweet has a picture of a map of Ireland with nice colours. A map. An actual cartological map.

    We’re actually letting a bat**** crazy conspiracy-theorist racist homophobic bigot plant her loony seeds in normal discourse. It’s the most frightening thing about this whole affair.


    People here are seriously saying posting a picture of a Map alongsude "map porn" makes Roderic a paedophile. The Gemmaroids are completely off the wall. It really is hilarious the way people fall into believing Gemmas nutjob conspiracies.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 nyc-dublin


    gmisk wrote: »
    Well he is a well known LGBT activist, it doesn't mean that TD agrees with everything he says ffs, that was from 20+ years ago


    It doesn't matter when it's from.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People here are seriously saying posting a picture of a Map alongsude "map porn" makes Roderic a paedophile. The Gemmaroids are completely off the wall. It really is hilarious the way people fall into believing Gemmas nutjob conspiracies.

    One person.

    Also, "people" on here are seriously saying questioning if a minister has any links to a known controversial figure is homophobic purely because that minister is gay.

    It is hilarious how you are willing to conflate the two when it suits


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,215 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Nah. This is a bull**** homophobic agenda driven by Gemmaroids and the Far Right.

    Joey your wrong your taking it as an attack on gay people it's not people are questioning his links to another green party member campaigner who has pretty outspoken views when it comes to adult relationships with children. O'Gorman could have picked a multitude of people to post selfies with that day, he didn't though he picked someone a lot of parents would be concerned he has any association with.
    Roderic looked proud to be in the selfies and called the man legendary which would imply he has a lot of respect for him.

    It's nothing to do with O'Gorman being gay, a straight man acting the same way with Tatchell would also come under scrutiny if he was appointment Minister for Children. So it's not about your sex it's about the friends you keep and the people you idolise.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I see zero people on this thread conflating homosexuality with this story other than people claiming that it is homophobic.

    The source of the two claims against O’Gorman - GOD and her ilk - consistently claim there’s a link between homosexuality and paedophilia. I think that was the posters point.

    <mod snip - quoted poster threadbanned>


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The source of the two claims against O’Gorman - GOD and her ilk - consistently claim there’s a link between homosexuality and paedophilia. I think that was the posters point.

    As for zero people on this thread, what do you think this post means?

    I honestly missed that post.

    My point stands though. The screaming that this story is homophobic is off base.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Is that like suggesting all gynaecologists must have a vagina?

    No they have a medical degree.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I honestly missed that post.

    My point stands though. The screaming that this story is homophobic is off base.

    No joeytheparrot said it was being driven by homophobia. Look at where the story came from. The thread title says there’s “calls” for him to resign. Those calls, and the drive for it, came from GOD and that whole Twitter scene of nut job bigots. That’s the point. The motivation behind them trawling his twitter looking for anything to attack him with comes from their homophobia. Now that it’s entered the real world and we’re discussing it, we need to remember where it came from and why.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    It’s the most frightening thing about this whole affair.

    I disagree.

    The most frightening thing about the whole affair, to me, is that a person who has expressed enormous admiration for a character such as Thatchell now has huge influence over the children of Ireland.

    The Minister has, at the very least, displayed terrible judgement. I dearly hope that’s the extent of it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    No joeytheparrot said it was being driven by homophobia. Look at where the story came from. The thread title says there’s “calls” for him to resign. Those calls, and the drive for it, came from GOD and that whole Twitter scene of nut job bigots. That’s the point.

    Had a look on Twitter just there and to be honest Gemma and that other knuckle dragger Herman Kelly are the only accounts calling for him to resign that have a picture of themselves in the profile. The rest are anonymous, fake name accounts with a history of posting right wing, rascist, anti-vaxx and homophobic crap.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,654 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    This thread has jumped the shark so high its hilarious

    Posting a picture of a map means your a pedophile..... Lol

    The gemmaroids see conspiracy everywhere.

    Now where did I put my unicorn tee shirt, I need that for my transgender indoctrination classes. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    DeadHand wrote: »
    The most frightening thing about the whole affair, to me, is that a person who has expressed enormous admiration for a character such as Thatchell now has huge influence over the children of Ireland.

    Ive no like for Thatchell myself for various reasons, but he has been the most prominent gay rights campaigner in the UK over the past 30 years. He’s also heavily involved as an anti-war crimes campaigner. He has had a very large and very public regular (not just social) media presence in the UK. I’m sure loads of people too their photo with him that day and others.

    As for “enormous admiration”, it was one tweet of a photo with the guy. Not a consistent ringing endorsement of his every pronouncement.

    As for “huge influence over the children of Ireland”, it’s not like he’ll be able to tell them all what to think or force them all to his birthday party.

    Remember, this whole storm was started by GOD and the other bigots digging for dirt. And all they found was a single picture of the guy with a prominent gay rights campaigner that made one questionable comment, and a picture of a nice map.

    Thatchell‘s comment is wrong. But he’s not Minister for Children. To tarnish O’Gorman with it because of a single tweet is wrong too.

    And I’ll add, I’ve no idea if O’Gorman will make a good minister or not, I know very little about him. I’m not a GP member or voter. I am a parent. I’m purely basing my position and argument on the facts as they are currently presented. Two tweets, one of a picture with Thatchell, one of a map of Ireland - and why there’s being discussed: because GOD went digging for dirt and reads more into them than is actually there. Remember, she’s actually referring to O’Gorman as a “pervert” on Twitter now because of this.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You leave out the fact the tweet read "Mmmm.... Map Porn".

    Map being paedophile code for Minor Attracted Person.

    Why didn't you quote the exact tweet to your readers Joseph?

    Yes that wouldn't be what I assume when he is showing a picture of a map... This is very pizza gate of you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Some of the reactions are over the top, but anyone in a position of authority, especially in relation to children, needs to distance themselves from someone like Thatchell. I dont think its unreasonable to seek a statement from O'Gorman.

    Gushing praise for someone so creepy is not nice to see.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    keano_afc wrote: »
    Some of the reactions are over the top, but anyone in a position of authority, especially in relation to children, needs to distance themselves from someone like Thatchell. I dont think its unreasonable to seek a statement from O'Gorman.

    Gushing praise for someone so creepy is not nice to see.

    I agree. But the hysteria is a bit much. A call to resign because of one picture is over the top.

    But it does look bad and he should distance himself but at the same time he may feel it's so ridiculous and even addressing Gemma's mad claims gives it more credibility.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    keano_afc wrote: »
    Some of the reactions are over the top, but anyone in a position of authority, especially in relation to children, needs to distance themselves from someone like Thatchell. I dont think its unreasonable to seek a statement from O'Gorman.

    Gushing praise for someone so creepy is not nice to see.


    I'd never heard of Tatchell before this. Is he only known for dodgy views on Age of Consent or does he have a whole portfolio of genuine acheivments that were then sullied by his AoC stance?


    One is different from the other. I mean Gemma was an investigative journalist fired by the Indo, whose editor had got points cancelled by the Gardai, for investigating the Garda penalty points scandal before she became a nasty lunatic fringe racist. Would we pillory by assosciation anyone who supported her at the time?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    I'd never heard of Tatchell before this. Is he only known for dodgy views on Age of Consent or does he have a whole portfolio of genuine acheivments that were then sullied by his AoC stance?


    One is different from the other. I mean Gemma was an investigative journalist fired by the Indo, whose editor had got points cancelled by the Gardai, for investigating the Garda penalty points scandal before she became a nasty lunatic fringe racist. Would we pillory by assosciation anyone who supported her at the time?
    Has generally been highly regarded for his human rights work. This has resulted in him getting many death threats over the years including being attacked by Neo Nazis in Moscow during pride. Big on green issues and anti war activism. Basically the letter cited would barely be a footnote in his career.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    I'd never heard of Tatchell before this. Is he only known for dodgy views on Age of Consent or does he have a whole portfolio of genuine acheivments that were then sullied by his AoC stance?

    He was the main activist in a group called OutRage! that campaigned for many years for gay rights in the UK. He used to be on British TV all the time - Question Time, that sort of thing.

    He helped organise Britain's first Gay Pride march in 1972, at a time when homosxuality was illegal in the UK. Which may go some way to why someone would have their photo taken with him at a Gay Pride march.

    He attempted a citizen's arrest on Robert Mugabe twice, which obviously got quite a bit of media exposure over there too.

    Regarding age of consent, his stated position is
    My articles urging an age of consent of 14 are motivated solely by a desire to reduce the criminalisation of under-16s who have consenting relationships with other young people of similar ages. I do not support adults having sex with children. I do not advocate teenagers having sex before the age of 16. But if they do have sex before their 16th birthday, they should not be arrested, given a criminal record and put on the sex offenders register.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    The Gemmaroids and the far right are. They deliberately started digging out everything om Minister O'Gorman because he's gay.
    Bull**** - this is all about Gemmas homophobic agenda

    ok, we get it, every criticism of a gay person is a homophobic attack to you.

    why does Gemma constantly attack hazel Chu ? why does she attack Michael d Higgins ?

    if we remove being gay out of it, as most people have.

    we have a minister for children who tweeted celebrating a photo with, and praising the work of a man who has written controversial things sympathising with paedophiles.

    Surely Gemma would have attacked him for being gay in February when he was elected.... whats changed now to garner this attack.... he became minister for children.....

    If this was anyone else with those links etc.. I'm fully confident that everyone outraged here would still be outraged. If it was a politician like Verona Murphy or Noel Grealish with those links, you would be too.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ok, we get it, every criticism of a gay person is a homophobic attack to you.

    why does Gemma constantly attack hazel Chu ? why does she attack Michael d Higgins ?

    if we remove being gay out of it, as most people have.

    we have a minister for children who tweeted celebrating a photo with, and praising the work of a man who has written controversial things sympathising with paedophiles.

    Surely Gemma would have attacked him for being gay in February when he was elected.... whats changed now to garner this attack.... he became minister for children.....

    If this was anyone else with those links etc.. I'm fully confident that everyone outraged here would still be outraged. If it was a politician like Verona Murphy or Noel Grealish with those links, you would be too.

    From 3 days ago.. So yes she does have a big anti gay thing going on.
    https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1277221968564060160?s=19

    Thatchell has repeatedly said he doesn't condone paedophilia so I would say that his opinion is pretty clear tbh. He also has a lot more that he has done in his career than a letter to the newspaper in 1997.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    From 3 days ago.. So yes she does have a big anti gay thing going on.
    https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1277221968564060160?s=19

    Thatchell has repeatedly said he doesn't condone paedophilia so I would say that his opinion is pretty clear tbh. He also has a lot more that he has done in his career than a letter to the newspaper in 1997.

    at no point was I saying Gemma is not a homophobe, she clearly is, but that doesn't make every argument of hers inherently homophobic, and just because people agree with criticising the minister over his links doesn't mean they're homophobic or the criticism is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    From 3 days ago.. So yes she does have a big anti gay thing going on.
    https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1277221968564060160?s=19

    Thatchell has repeatedly said he doesn't condone paedophilia so I would say that his opinion is pretty clear tbh. He also has a lot more that he has done in his career than a letter to the newspaper in 1997.

    Doesn't condone paedophilia but wants the laws changed so that what is currently paedophilia is no longer an offence,, yep, he condones paedophilia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Moghead


    This is all a bit of a nothingburger.

    Find it a bit odd that Connors is banging about children's right yet he doesn't speak out about the high levels of school truancy within the the travelling community and the responsibilities that lie with the parents of these children.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ok, we get it, every criticism of a gay person is a homophobic attack to you.

    why does Gemma constantly attack hazel Chu ? why does she attack Michael d Higgins ?

    if we remove being gay out of it, as most people have.

    we have a minister for children who tweeted celebrating a photo with, and praising the work of a man who has written controversial things sympathising with paedophiles.

    Surely Gemma would have attacked him for being gay in February when he was elected.... whats changed now to garner this attack.... he became minister for children.....

    If this was anyone else with those links etc.. I'm fully confident that everyone outraged here would still be outraged. If it was a politician like Verona Murphy or Noel Grealish with those links, you would be too.

    Gemma is a hatemongering bigot. She is deliberately trying to homophobically muddy the waters about Minister O'Gorman. She tries to link LGBT and paedophilia all the time. Her hatemongering homophobia is clear on this. She is basically standing up and shouting gay man = paedophile.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    at no point was I saying Gemma is not a homophobe, she clearly is, but that doesn't make every argument of hers inherently homophobic, and just because people agree with criticising the minister over his links doesn't mean they're homophobic or the criticism is.

    I would say given the level of targeting he has received in the past few days, it is. I do think that Thatchell has done great work, he doesn't condone paedophilia which is pretty clear tbh. He made remarks that are a bit stupid and rather insensitive over twenty years ago. Richard Dawkins made similarly stupid remarks a few years back so do we blacklist anyone who praises his work too?
    Doesn't condone paedophilia but wants the laws changed so that what is currently paedophilia is no longer an offence,, yep, he condones paedophilia.

    Specifically he doesn't want anyone within 3 years of the other person to face prosecution. It's Romeo and Juliet laws, that's not condoning paedophilia and plenty of people support them.

    Also worth noting this which ye all seem to be ignoring



  • Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭redunited


    THe Minister of Children excited to stand shulder to shoulder with a well known person who wants to see sex with under age children legalised !

    Some people dont think that is an issue?

    O Gorman isnt that Naive to not know anything about Tatchelll and his views.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,466 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    redunited wrote: »
    THe Minister of Children excited to stand shulder to shoulder with a well known person who wants to see sex with under age children legalised !

    Some people dont think that is an issue?

    O Gorman isnt that Naive to not know anytihng about Tatchelll and his views.

    perhaps you should read the thread before commenting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭redunited


    I would say given the level of targeting he has received in the past few days, it is. I do think that Thatchell has done great work, he doesn't condone paedophilia which is pretty clear tbh. He made remarks that are a bit stupid and rather insensitive over twenty years ago. Richard Dawkins made similarly stupid remarks a few years back so do we blacklist anyone who praises his work too?



    Specifically he doesn't want anyone within 3 years of the other person to face prosecution. It's Romeo and Juliet laws, that's not condoning paedophilia and plenty of people support them.

    Also worth noting this which ye all seem to be ignoring

    https://twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1278464117788073985?s=19


    He wants the age of consent reduced for underage children, that way it wont be an actual crime!


    All can be found in this article that he included in his tweet, just a play on words but he is basically saying, if children like the Bulgers can punished under law then children under 16 should be able to decided, "My Body, My Choice".

    http://www.petertatchell.net/sex_education/why-arent-schools-educating-kids-against-sex-abuse/


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    redunited wrote: »
    He wants the age of consent reduced for underage children, that way it wont be an actual crime!

    He favours reducing the age in combination with Romeo and Juliet laws. If there was more than a 3 year gap, it would be prosecutable. So no, it doesn't actually appear you understand it. It's specified right here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment/story/0,3604,530504,00.html


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