Twitter removing "master", "slave", and "blacklist" to be more inclusi

Overheal

Cordell wrote: »

I'm not Irish and your assumption that I am deeply offends me
They are all Americans, aren't they? And a white american may not know if their ancestors came from England or Germany, but for them there is no damage, right?

A white persons lineage is traceable. There was never a gap like you saw with slaves. When slaves were brought over they were stripped of their African names, families were broken up and sold in pieces. Education was taboo. This went on for several generations and with it virtually all trace of their heritage. Sorry not sorry but the English and German experience is incomparable to black chattel slaves.

bmc58

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Master and slave are pretty sh*t terms really.

It's hard to Google troubleshooting stuff.

Server and Client work better.

Oh no.Server is totally out.Implies subservience.

Quantum Erasure

The Washington Redskins name has just been cancelled....


https://twitter.com/_JakeRussell/status/1282661676207218688

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Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The Washington Redskins name has just been cancelled....


https://twitter.com/_JakeRussell/status/1282661676207218688

Never would have if not for the money. Their 2 biggest sponsors, Nike and Fedex, were finally done with it, the team announced last week it was up for the chopping block right after Fedex gave them an ultimatum: change the name or all the Fedex iconography and signage would be removed from FedexField, their home stadium. This would sever their contract effectively and lose the team an estimated $45M/year.

Tony EH

Still doesn't make it any less stupid though.

excludedbin

SMH can't even call black people 'jigaboos' or Native Americans 'redskins' these days without people objecting...

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excludedbin wrote: »

SMH can't even call black people 'jigaboos' or Native Americans 'redskins' these days without people objecting...

The horror :rolleyes:

Invidious

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The Washington Redskins name has just been cancelled....

Despite polls showing that 9 out of 10 Native Americans did not find the name offensive.

excludedbin

Hand on heart sincerely, I don't understand it. There's absolutely no ambiguity about it being a racist term and plenty of people in the US (to my knowledge) have been calling attention to it for years already. It's even more bizarre because we're a post-colonial society, I'd expect people here to understand what it's like when people colonise you and then brutalise and mock you.

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Tony EH wrote: »

Still doesn't make it any less stupid though.

Nah. Need to happen and long overdue.

Another interesting team name idea is the Redtails, in reference to the Tuskegee Airmen, but I don't know if that's one that would actually take since its inexorably linked to the Tuskegee Experiments, where federal researchers spent something like 40 years secretly injecting black men with syphilis just to see how it spread, while telling them they were receiving a vaccine/treatment for the STD. Redtails being a triumph that managed to eke its way out of that cluster****, yet still. People are looking to less charged names like the Warriors, etc.

Tony EH

Overheal wrote: »

Nah. Need to happen and long overdue.

Also nah

The name had no real affect on anything and changing it will have no real affect on anything.

It's all just twee optics, more to do with PR than anything else.

If these businesses want to change the Native American Indian's lot, maybe they should donate a portion of that advertising money to one of the tribes that are in need of it.

It's all just a load of corporate bullshit, dressed up a "concern".

Feisar

excludedbin wrote: »

Hand on heart sincerely, I don't understand it. There's absolutely no ambiguity about it being a racist term and plenty of people in the US (to my knowledge) have been calling attention to it for years already. It's even more bizarre because we're a post-colonial society, I'd expect people here to understand what it's like when people colonise you and then brutalise and mock you.

Not the Irish way I'm afraid. Many here are embarrassed by our struggle for freedom.

Invidious

Notre Dame will still be the Fighting Irish, though.

TomTomTim

Feisar wrote: »

Not the Irish way I'm afraid. Many here are embarrassed by our struggle for freedom.

What? And who?

Overheal

Tony EH wrote: »

Also nah

The name had no real affect on anything and changing it will have no real affect on anything.

It's all just twee optics, more to do with PR than anything else.

If these businesses want to change the Native American Indian's lot, maybe they should donate a portion of that advertising money to one of the tribes that are in need of it.

It's all just a load of corporate bullshit, dressed up a "concern".

Well as you just said it certainly impacts public relations and when your team relies on the integrity of its branding, it's significant. Nobody is suggesting that changing the name will do anything to impact the quality of life for native Americans, or redress reparations for the Trail of Tears or something. It's a culturally outdated moniker and now money is finally talking to snuff it. "Corportate bull****, optics, public relations," are tangible concerns for the team and its sponsors, the revenues and economic activity they generate are nothing to sniff at. Forbes estimates the team itself is worth $3.4 Billion, Dan Snyder meanwhile is estimated to be worth more than Trump at $2.6 Bn (Trump's current estimate is $2.1 Bn) and he owes that fortune to Americans showing up to see his team play, with most Americans polling that they are out of favor with the name, in spite of narrowly targeted polls at folks identifying as Native Americans saying they are not bothered by the team name. All that merch, not to mention related money driving the local and regional economy through sports bars and what not. The NFL as a whole brings in $14 Bn a year, fantasy football brings in half that.

It's not a sport I watch because I indeed hate the "corporate bull****" - after every. single. play. It seems like there is 2 or 3 commercials dropped in so advertisers don't lose those precious seconds between huddles. You end up watching over an hour of garbage for a 3 hour game, when the game clock is only 60 minutes, and the ball is usually only in play for about, oh, 11 minutes. It fascinates me how most Americans think Soccer is a more boring sport.

TomSweeney

DrumSteve wrote: »

Genuinely, will this ever affect you in any way, shape or form?

Will the changing of this language alter any part of your life?

There is obviously a massive problem with modern day Slavery (especially in Libya) which does require a wider conversation. But Twitter making this change is not an issue at all.

Well yeah, employees of American corporations are being put on "racial awareness" trainings - that are mandatory, anyone who refuses is considered a racist and is blacklisted - oh can't say that either - "wrongthink" listed and their time is up in the company - so people are scared and go on to these bull**** "white == bad" courses.

How would you feel if you were forced to attend a "Do not shop lift" course ?

These should be all default viewpoints, it's disrespectful to employees to assume they need training on this.

This code change thing is the same nonsense, the thin end of the wedge.

ronivek

TomSweeney wrote: »

How would you feel if you were forced to attend a "Do not shop lift" course ?

These should be all default viewpoints, it's disrespectful to employees to assume they need training on this.

Interesting you should mention that; when I worked in retail we had a number of training sessions which also included warnings about stealing and outlined the various punishments. That was over 20 years ago now.

It is pretty standard that businesses perform training sessions to outline company guidelines and policies; and it’s nothing new. I suspect your objection has more to do with perceived attacks against the colour of your skin than anything else.

Tell me how

TomSweeney wrote: »

Well yeah, employees of American corporations are being put on "racial awareness" trainings - that are mandatory, anyone who refuses is considered a racist and is blacklisted - oh can't say that either - "wrongthink" listed and their time is up in the company - so people are scared and go on to these bull**** "white == bad" courses.

How would you feel if you were forced to attend a "Do not shop lift" course ?

These should be all default viewpoints, it's disrespectful to employees to assume they need training on this.

This code change thing is the same nonsense, the thin end of the wedge.

One of the numerous workplace shooting incidents in the US recently happened at the Molson Coors Brewery in Milwaukee. Six people were killed, including the gunman. It emerged after the incident that the shooter, a black man, had been subjected to racial abuse within the company for a number of years including one incident where a noose was left in his locker.

Now, say you are a manager in a company where that happens and there is no evidence of who left the noose, what do you do? Do you ignore it saying you don't want to accuse all people of being guilty until proven so or do you arrange a course such as the ones above that you are complaining about.

Because, those courses are not to tell racist people to not be racist, they are to tell all workers that any such behaviour, or tolerance of such behaviour within the company is unacceptable. The person who left the noose in the locker was undoubtedly doing it with some form of tacit support from at least some of their colleagues, some of whom might think that just because they didn't do it, they do not contribute to the experience of the person who was targeted.

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TomSweeney wrote: »

Well yeah, employees of American corporations are being put on "racial awareness" trainings - that are mandatory, anyone who refuses is considered a racist and is blacklisted - oh can't say that either - "wrongthink" listed and their time is up in the company - so people are scared and go on to these bull**** "white == bad" courses.

How would you feel if you were forced to attend a "Do not shop lift" course ?

These should be all default viewpoints, it's disrespectful to employees to assume they need training on this.

This code change thing is the same nonsense, the thin end of the wedge.

In nearly every job I've worked there have been mandated, and voluntary training. You just get on with it, especially through a great many condescending actor performances on pre-recorded tripe. This should be no different, cultural sensitivity training, compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Civil Rights Act, etc. are not news either. Rather if people are refusing these courses its purely political on their part and employers have every prerogative to fire them. I'm sure lots of womanizers walked off the job when they were told it was inappropriate to flirt with or grope the women in the office too, and like them this batch won't be missed from these companies, and I'm sure a great deal many of those people still feel, or felt for years, that hill was worth dying on too.

TomSweeney

Tell me how wrote: »

One of the numerous workplace shooting incidents in the US recently happened at the Molson Coors Brewery in Milwaukee. Six people were killed, including the gunman. It emerged after the incident that the shooter, a black man, had been subjected to racial abuse within the company for a number of years including one incident where a noose was left in his locker.

Now, say you are a manager in a company where that happens and there is no evidence of who left the noose, what do you do? Do you ignore it saying you don't want to accuse all people of being guilty until proven so or do you arrange a course such as the ones above that you are complaining about.

Because, those courses are not to tell racist people to not be racist, they are to tell all workers that any such behaviour, or tolerance of such behaviour within the company is unacceptable. The person who left the noose in the locker was undoubtedly doing it with some form of tacit support from at least some of their colleagues, some of whom might think that just because they didn't do it, they do not contribute to the experience of the person who was targeted.

I punish the culprits rather than blame a whole group of people.
I get the police involved too ... also it seems you are making excuses for a shooting spree - you know thats MURDER right ? way worse than hurty racist wurds ... you seem to be holding black people to less standards - its called the bigotry of low expectations - very common in todays mad world.

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TomSweeney wrote: »

I punish the culprits rather than blame a whole group of people.
I get the police involved too ... also it seems you are making excuses for a shooting spree - you know thats MURDER right ? way worse than hurty racist wurds ... you seem to be holding black people to less standards - its called the bigotry of low expectations - very common in todays mad world.

My post wasn't that complicated, maybe read it a few more times over the next couple of days and then reply with something that makes a bit of sense.

TomSweeney

Tell me how wrote: »

My post wasn't that complicated, maybe read it a few more times over the next couple of days and then reply with something that makes a bit of sense.

Nope, I know exactly what you are saying.


Get help with your racism, you seem to need it.

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TomSweeney wrote: »

Nope, I know exactly what you are saying.


Get help with your racism, you seem to need it.

There's a consistent theme with you guys not being able to understand simple English and not wanting to trust simple medical advice.

Does the idea of knowledge and education frighten you?

southstar

Tell me how wrote: »

There's a consistent theme with you guys not being able to understand simple English and not wanting to trust simple medical advice.

Does the idea of knowledge and education frighten you?

A consistent theme with you guys is your insufferable levels of self regard.Ye didn't invent the wheel nor were ye endowed with some God given virutues denied to the plebs..though you'd hardly know given the level of preachy inanities that ye keep spouting on about.This topic is just another prime example....almost like caricatures from Viz magazine.... but not comical...just boring