Is anyone else getting scared of where society is going?

GarIT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to be a troll account. There is no way your comments on this thread are serious.

That attitude is why I started the thread and it's becoming prevalent in colleges, online and in some of my old friend groups (mid 20s). Disagree with any individual point made by the oppressed (which you are oppressing by being white and male) or in defence of the oppressed and you're a Nazi.

titan18

I disagree. A solo female is far likelier to be hassled in a lot of countries than a solo male. A black person will be treated a lot worse than a white person in a lot of countries. Thats not even too far. If you travel some of the Eastern European countries, you notice it. There are some exceptions but we definitely have a privilege travelling vs non white males. I've definitely noticed it in my own experience as I tend to meet other solo travellers when I travel so get their stories.

Even predominantly non white countries, white people will be treated well as it's a pretty safe assumption we have money.

Being Irish is also an advantage, our stereotype of liking to drink and being social is an excellent one for meeting people in foreign countries. Tend to not have the same negatives against us as US or British tourists, and I've not been to many places where there hasn't been an Irish bar.

I disagree on some of the other cases of white male privilege, and I'll argue strongly against some examples, but it's 100% real in other countries, and as a tourist, it's definitely noticeable.

Cupatae

titan18 wrote: »

I disagree. A solo female is far likelier to be hassled in a lot of countries than a solo male. A black person will be treated a lot worse than a white person in a lot of countries. Thats not even too far. If you travel some of the Eastern European countries, you notice it. There are some exceptions but we definitely have a privilege travelling vs non white males. I've definitely noticed it in my own experience as I tend to meet other solo travellers when I travel so get their stories.

Even predominantly non white countries, white people will be treated well as it's a pretty safe assumption we have money.

Being Irish is also an advantage, our stereotype of liking to drink and being social is an excellent one for meeting people in foreign countries. Tend to not have the same negatives against us as US or British tourists, and I've not been to many places where there hasn't been an Irish bar.

Well were onto gender there, not skin color.. i mean we could go tit for tat on mentioning countries where black people will be treated better vs white people and vice versa, as a whole i dont think theres a whole lot of merit to white skin granting you an easier time.. Ive traveled quite abit myself and i have to say i only ever seen people of all colors being treated fairly and very well in fairness theirs a lot of good people in every country.

I do agree with being Irish is a big help as we are seen in a very positive light by most people, mainly because ireland as a whole treats everyone very well.

I think you have to want to associate skin color with the situation there could be a 100 other factors why that white lady was served coffee first over the black man and vice versa, everything from knowing the person to plain old seeing them first.. but it would be very easy to go "Oh she was only served cause shes white! "

Racism exists white privilege not so much in my opinion anyway.

sid waddell

sid waddell wrote: »

I think you doth protest too much.

Be nice if you could make some sort of substantial contribution because what you've produced so far has provided nothing and you've done precisely nothing to rebut a single point I've made.

A typical reaction of far right posters when they can't rebut a point is to shltpost.

It seems you have retreated to the safe space of the Donald trump forum.

I do think it's very dishonest and a terrible reflection of your character to post completely inaccurate accounts of your encounters here.

If this is what you consider far right then God help you son. All you encountered was people who refuse to accept guilt for others actions because we share a skin tone. You were the one throwing accusations of bigotry and extremism and almost exclusively were the one who refused to answer questions posed to you.

That's the nature of the beast, the far right are never there to debate, only to take over and drive out the non-far right.

See the Current Affairs forum here, which I dived into this evening. It's a sewer filled with far right posters.

Hardly far right by any metric.

James Brown

SFC1895 wrote: »

Probably right. US society seems to be broadly sympathetic to black criminals such as Brooks and Floyd.

Whereas white people being allowed shoot someone dead for looking black 'suspicious' is rare...

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Hardly far right by any metric.

It's a fair description from an Irish perspective.

Hannibal36

Tell me how wrote: »

It's a fair description from an Irish perspective.

Far right and alt right is the weak White classes name for Poor White people.White middle class are stepped on the most so they need a class to insult and feel better than,but you can't say you Filthy Poor White Scumbag as its politically incorrect and the White middle class is all about being politically correct.

But if you prefix it with Racist or Alt Right you can call them anything you want, Filthy Racist White Dirtbag is perfectly pc.

ThunbergsAreGo

RasTa wrote: »

She had her phone out and was recording them. Not enough for stand your ground. They will make an example of her

She is also a serial complainer so I hope she gets life personally

Messages from 2013, honestly. Life for complaining 7 years ago.....

Big Brother is watching, the absolute state of that

ThunbergsAreGo

I do worry about the world, why are we importing America's problems?

Why is everything a scandal?

I hope irs just lockdown fever, but reading threads on here you'd swear we were a secret American state

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

I disagree. A solo female is far likelier to be hassled in a lot of countries than a solo male. A black person will be treated a lot worse than a white person in a lot of countries. Thats not even too far. If you travel some of the Eastern European countries, you notice it. There are some exceptions but we definitely have a privilege travelling vs non white males. I've definitely noticed it in my own experience as I tend to meet other solo travellers when I travel so get their stories.

I've also traveled throughout the Middle East, Western Africa and I live in Asia.

I think you're mixing up factors here and simply assigning them all to being white and male.

Being male is generally safer because of our physical size/strength, and the way in which we grow up. Women tend to be protected within society, so they never learn to be aware of their surroundings to the same extent that men do. Those factors extend to how males treat each other because the risk of violence tempers interactions.

At the same time though, there is always risk for any gender. The Middle East can be extremely dodgy for any foreigner, especially where bias against westerners comes into play. Men are actually more vulnerable than women here because of the perception of men as being soldiers whereas women being noncombatants.

Black people are looked down upon throughout the Middle East and Asia. Many reasons, but most comes down to the perception about Africa. It's a mostly failed continent, and it's history as being a source of slaves has affected other nations views of them. The Middle East was a destination for the majority of slaves coming out of Africa. People like to talk big about the Atlantic trade, but the Middle Eastern trade was far more established.

Even predominantly non white countries, white people will be treated well as it's a pretty safe assumption we have money.

Which is not about skin color but wealth.

Being Irish is also an advantage, our stereotype of liking to drink and being social is an excellent one for meeting people in foreign countries. Tend to not have the same negatives against us as US or British tourists, and I've not been to many places where there hasn't been an Irish bar.

Only in western nations. In non-western nations, being drinkers and social-able isn't a reputation that carries much weight. The Irish are seen as harmless. Well meaning but naive. Different values exist, with far more people not knowing anything about Irish people or Ireland.

I disagree on some of the other cases of white male privilege, and I'll argue strongly against some examples, but it's 100% real in other countries, and as a tourist, it's definitely noticeable.

There are advantages to being white. There are also disadvantages. The perception of wealth, means that you're going to be targeted by scams and other ways to get at that wealth. Same with being targeted by women just to get your visa.

None of all that, is white privilege as it concerns these racial discussions though. In many cases, the advantages that white people have are due to the associations with Europes colonial history, the power[economic/military] of western culture (which is traditionally predominately white). These are advantages not based on race but on culture. It's just that, for now at least, people don't associate Black people with being European. It takes time to change peoples minds.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

It's a fair description from an Irish perspective.

Not really. It's just a boards perspective. An Irish would consider such opinions to be conservative... they mostly haven't jumped on to the left/right bandwagon yet.

stinkypinky

I came across this video on youtube randomly and it took the words right out of my mouth with regards to America and what's being taught to the younger generation in Universities, a lot of them are being brainwashed by Marxist/Leninist doctrines.

Randy Archer

Scared ? No, just don’t be such a pussy

Pay as little heed as possible to the media and what goes on in Yankie land . That **** is Wack . Ignore what the so called influencers and intellectuals are saying on certain matters and do ones own research

Take what is said on all social media with a pinch of salt, especially from those who are in serious need of a dictionary and who don’t seem to understand the meaning of the usual terms that get bandied out in “debates”

Tell me how

stinkypinky wrote: »

I came across this video on youtube randomly and it took the words right out of my mouth with regards to America and what's being taught to the younger generation in Universities, a lot of them are being brainwashed by Marxist/Leninist doctrines.

Can you give an example where this is happening which supports the view that it is any way a widespread practice?

Where do you think the classes in STEM courses or in most broader education fields facilitate Marxist/Leninist doctrines being communicated?

Since day dot, university campuses have been places where young adults are finding their feet and are full of enthusiasm, largely to make a positive impact and hence societies often do identify social and societal causes to target for highlight for change to make more inclusive in some manner. Originally more class inclusivity, then gender inclusivity, then (now) racial inclusivity as well as the original areas needing focus. Some of these causes do jump the shark in terms of either the need for action in their respect or the manner in which this action is called for but it is normal in any conversation or analysis that there will be outliers which are not indicative of the common theme.

And this is commonly communicated by conservatives (or members of the existing dominant group) as being somehow dangerous for all of society when in reality I suspect what they are concerned about is their position of dominance (a privilege which they claim they do not have) may be lessened somewhat.

Particularly in the UK there is the extensive evidence of those with Oxbridge degrees attaining seats in Parliament and being appointed to roles all the way up to the office of PM. Such people generally also have common experiences in terms of inherited wealth and having attended private schools.

But, very frequently, there is outcry (from some who maybe exist in the group outlined the last paragraph or similar) about the dangers of universities actually empowering people to think about helping others.

It is similar in the US, where the above video relates to and where Ivy League schools are responsible for a large number of those who end up in power. Just yesterday, Harvard announced that all classes for the next college year will be delivered online while the annual tuition cost (approx 50k/student) will remain. Does that sound like a university obsessed with Marxist/Leninist doctrines?

Chris_Heilong

Randy Archer wrote: »

Scared ? No, just don’t be such a pussy

Pay as little heed as possible to the media and what goes on in Yankie land . That **** is Wack . Ignore what the so called influencers and intellectuals are saying on certain matters and do ones own research

Take what is said on all social media with a pinch of salt, especially from those who are in serious need of a dictionary and who don’t seem to understand the meaning of the usual terms that get bandied out in “debates”

I tried ignoring it back in 2016 when I saw all these crazy ideas coming out of the US collages, but it has grown and spread all over the English speaking world and the ideology is getting its dirty fingers into every area of influence it can.

This has been doing the rounds,
https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1281023987242487808

Here is a sample from just one of the articles/posts linked.

2u2me

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I tried ignoring it back in 2016 when I saw all these crazy ideas coming out of the US collages, but it has grown and spread all over the English speaking world and the ideology is getting its dirty fingers into every area of influence it can.

Isn't that a parody account?

I knew I remembered the name, I saw him once on the Dave Rubin show, Andrew Doyle.

Chris_Heilong

2u2me wrote: »

Isn't that a parody account?

I knew I remembered the name, I saw him once on the Dave Rubin show, Andrew Doyle.

The account itself is however the disturbing thing is that all the articles link within are real.

2u2me

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The account itself is however the disturbing thing is that all the articles link within are real.

I'd believe it, that Doyle seems like an intelligent and responsible person.

This reminds me of Dr. Eoin Lenihan and his alter ego, "progressive dad". His stuff was hilarious, poking fun at both sides and I have never seen evidence of him harrassing anyone or in anyway abusing anyone. Yet he effectively got cancelled.

He wrote an article for Quillette "It’s Not Your Imagination: The Journalists Writing About Antifa Are Often Their Cheerleaders". This piece was apparently so controversial it sparked a hitpiece on him by Columia Journalism Review."Right-wing publications launder an anti-journalist smear campaign" This was Quillette's response. "A black eye for the Columbia Journalism Review"

His blog hosted on Medium.com would give you a flavour that he is nothing of the sort that CJR were trying to make out.(Far right troll)

One such article, "I ran a Political Satire Account — Until Anonymous, PropOrNot and the HuffPo decided I was a Threat to National Security"

iebamm2580

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511915/Protesters-swarm-site-Detroit-police-fatally-shoot-man.html

Defund the police they say in protest, the scumbag pointed and shot at the cops from a few yards away, police were quick to release footage as protests had already started.

joe40

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I tried ignoring it back in 2016 when I saw all these crazy ideas coming out of the US collages, but it has grown and spread all over the English speaking world and the ideology is getting its dirty fingers into every area of influence it can.

This has been doing the rounds,
https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1281023987242487808

Here is a sample from just one of the articles/posts linked.

The PETA tweet is obviously daft ( 2 years old not new) but there is a background to this story where white supremacists were claiming they were the only ones genetically able to drink milk.

https://psmag.com/.amp/news/why-is-milk-being-called-a-white-supremacist-symbol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YGB8gvYOPY
Stephen Colbert mentioned it as well.

Just to be clear I love my milk, nothing changing there.

Chris_Heilong

joe40 wrote: »

The PETA tweet is obviously daft ( 2 years old not new) but there is a background to this story where white supremacists were claiming they were the only ones genetically able to drink milk.

https://psmag.com/.amp/news/why-is-milk-being-called-a-white-supremacist-symbol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YGB8gvYOPY
Stephen Colbert mentioned it as well.

Just to be clear I love my milk, nothing changing there.

I think it was a 4chan experiment just like the OK hand gesture and the "its okay to be white" ones. They basically make up something and release it to see how far the corrupt media will take it. The milk one is just one of seventy such articles contained in the twitter link I posted which have the most ridiculous headlines basically saying everything is racist.

Danzy

joe40 wrote: »

Just to be clear I love my milk, nothing changing there.

Do you love your milk more than you hate the Joos?


Off colour joke.

Junkyard Tom

I was just thinking there, two incompetent clowns in charge in the US/UK with 100,000 deaths on their watch between them. When did we become so propagandised that we essentially ignore deadly incompetence while ****ting-the-bed over young people protesting?

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I was just thinking there, two incompetent clowns in charge in the US/UK with 100,000 deaths on their watch between them. When did we become so propagandised that we essentially ignore deadly incompetence while ****ting-the-bed over young people protesting?

probably at the same time that the US/UK colluded with each other to bring most of the world into an illegal war over fake WMDs and a hairbrained notion of bringing democracy to those who didn't want it.

Or when we decided that we'd ignore Guantanamo Bay and everything associated with what went on there (even to the point of immortalizing it in Hollywood movies for a certain coolness factor). It's amazing how many movies have waterboarding in them..

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

probably at the same time that the US/UK colluded with each other to bring most of the world into an illegal war over fake WMDs and a hairbrained notion of bringing democracy to those who didn't want it.

Which was nothing but propaganda itself.

Young mother, 24, is shot dead in front of her fiancé after saying "all lives matter" during an argument with Black Lives Matter supporters

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8515507/Young-mother-24-shot-dead-fianc-saying-lives-matter.html

The BLM grouping and supporters are becoming the equivalent of the KKK. Where is CNN and the NYTimes on the reporting of the murder of this innocent girl. Free speech my ass.

Imagine the our roar of the media and SJW's if a bunch of white thugs shot dead a young girl for saying Black Lives matter. It would be worldwide news, the Hypocrisy is sickening.

"The fascists of tomorrow will call themselves 'anti-fascists' "

ILoveYourVibes

Ok well a literal nazi (Justin Barrett) took to the streets today to say that all gay people were peadophiles....he was accompanied with people who had pictures of nooses.

So yeah ..i am a lil scurred

Hannibal36

Deleted User wrote: »

Young mother, 24, is shot dead in front of her fiancé after saying "all lives matter" during an argument with Black Lives Matter supporters

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8515507/Young-mother-24-shot-dead-fianc-saying-lives-matter.html

The BLM grouping and supporters are becoming the equivalent of the KKK. Where is CNN and the NYTimes on the reporting of the murder of this innocent girl. Free speech my ass.

Imagine the our roar of the media and SJW's if a bunch of white thugs shot dead a young girl for saying Black Lives matter. It would be worldwide news, the Hypocrisy is sickening.

"The fascists of tomorrow will call themselves 'anti-fascists' "

2 groups both pulled guns on each other.Terrible she's dead and all and doesn't deserve it in the least,but she made some choices that put herself there with people that put her life at risk,this is the reason she is dead more than anything she said about race.

But i do agree with you in general there is a double standard with Black on White violence ,just this one here isn't the best example imo.

ILoveYourVibes

Hannibal36 wrote: »

2 groups both pulled guns on each other.Terrible she's dead and all and doesn't deserve it in the least,but she made some choices that put herself there with people that put her life at risk,this is the reason she is dead more than anything she said about race.
.

I agree. Damn gun culture tho.

collywobble7

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Ok well a literal nazi (Justin Barrett) took to the streets today to say that all gay people were peadophiles....he was accompanied with people who had pictures of nooses.

Misuse of the word literal/literally constantly. Yes I'm worried about the way the world is going. The dumbing down of society is real.